New Orleans Saints release Junior Galette

07-25-2015, 12:52 AM

We don't need people like you.

burningmetal · 07-25-2015, 04:39 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

The cap hit is required to keep teams honest under the salary cap. Dead money that is owed against the cap is money that has already been paid to the player (in a guaranteed signing bonus).

If teams could cut a player and not owe the money, then everyone would pay players huge signing bonuses, cut players midway though the contract, then never have to account for the money against the cap. So...

Exactly. That's why it's in place.

The threat of having to pay back that money is designed to encourage teams to honor long term contracts for a longer period of time.

Well the Saints really structured JR contract as a two year contract with a reasonable dead money hit with a June 1 cut after the 2nd year. Just never got to that point.

SFIAH

I appreciate you trying to clarify that, but I already know why the cap is in place. My point is the "why" doesn't make sense. I think you missed the major point of my post. I said that I get that you have to still pay them. But it shouldn't count against the team's cap if they aren't playing for you. Owners are billionaires, they can pay it, but the cap is very limited in comparison to what the owners can actually afford.

So go ahead and pay the player, but when you cut him it shouldn't count against the cap. Where is the advantage of signing a player to a bunch of money and then releasing him? He doesn't play for you anymore, so it's not like you're stealing him. And he still gets his money.

You know what they call that in other sports? Normal. Because they either don't have salary caps or allow you to pay a luxury tax to go over it, which is what a lot of teams do in other sports. This is why the cap, (specifically the NFL's version) itself, was and is a horrible idea.

spkb25 · 07-25-2015, 10:04 AM

All of his mouth running and bad mouthing, along with that video, and his ongoing questionable off the field choices are going to make him finding another job, difficult.

He's immature, and despite his talent as a pass rusher, I think he is about to find the job market with slim to no suitors.

vtiger72 · 07-25-2015, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I appreciate you trying to clarify that, but I already know why the cap is in place. My point is the "why" doesn't make sense. I think you missed the major point of my post. I said that I get that you have to still pay them. But it shouldn't count against the team's cap if they aren't playing for you. Owners are billionaires, they can pay it, but the cap is very limited in comparison to what the owners can actually afford.

So go ahead and pay the player, but when you cut him it shouldn't count against the cap. Where is the advantage of signing a player to a bunch of money and then releasing him? He doesn't play for you anymore, so it's not like you're stealing him. And he still gets his money.

You know what they call that in other sports? Normal. Because they either don't have salary caps or allow you to pay a luxury tax to go over it, which is what a lot of teams do in other sports. This is why the cap, (specifically the NFL's version) itself, was and is a horrible idea.

Let me help you explain the why. In the NFL, the aim is for parity. They do not want the rich owners to outspend the others. This way a team in a market like Green Bay can compete with a team in New York.

If cut players' money did not count against the cap, an owner like Jerry Jones would sign a player to a large contract but with a great deal of it in signing bonus. Then he cut that player a couple years into the deal without any hit and spend a huge amount to do it all again. The salary cap would become a scam.

If that's the system you want, do away with the cap altogether. But if so, do not complain when rich owners buy their way to a championship over and over again.

FinSaint · 07-25-2015, 12:08 PM

This was expected with all the things going on with him off the field and even on the way to the field. It's a shame it had to come to this, but they had to part ways with him to stay credible.

I thought he was overpaid and said as much when he was given the extension, but they'll just have to eat the dead money and learn from it.

To me Galette never seemed dominant, a one trick pony, who never seemed to show up when it mattered. It's funny how people are talking about the 22 sacks in 2 seasons, and on that basis alone deem him a top-tier pass rusher - clearly they haven't seen many Saints' games.

And if anyone needed any more convincing this was the right move - just look how classless his reaction was to his release.

voodooido · 07-25-2015, 12:30 PM

So what cap does it free up this year and how hard is the hit for next?

SmashMouth · 07-25-2015, 01:06 PM

Saints to cut ties with pass-rusher Junior Galette after a pair of violent incidents involving women | Saints | The Advocate — Baton Rouge, Louisiana

vtiger72 · 07-25-2015, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

So what cap does it free up this year and how hard is the hit for next?

frees up 100K this year and 12.1 million in dead money next year.

Exxcalibur · 07-25-2015, 04:09 PM

I feel warm and fuzzy right now.

Wow.

Who'd have thunk it?

/hugs all

voodooido · 07-25-2015, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by vtiger72

frees up 100K this year and 12.1 million in dead money next year.

Ouch! He must of been a real cancer if they are willing to eat 12.1 million in 2016 and lose 12 sacks a year. So that puts us up to roughly 155 million next year with out top 53. Wonder what the cap line will be......

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07-25-2015, 04:39 AM	#52
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: New Orleans Saints release Junior Galette Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL The cap hit is required to keep teams honest under the salary cap. Dead money that is owed against the cap is money that has already been paid to the player (in a guaranteed signing bonus). If teams could cut a player and not owe the money, then everyone would pay players huge signing bonuses, cut players midway though the contract, then never have to account for the money against the cap. So... Exactly. That's why it's in place. The threat of having to pay back that money is designed to encourage teams to honor long term contracts for a longer period of time. Well the Saints really structured JR contract as a two year contract with a reasonable dead money hit with a June 1 cut after the 2nd year. Just never got to that point. SFIAH I appreciate you trying to clarify that, but I already know why the cap is in place. My point is the "why" doesn't make sense. I think you missed the major point of my post. I said that I get that you have to still pay them. But it shouldn't count against the team's cap if they aren't playing for you. Owners are billionaires, they can pay it, but the cap is very limited in comparison to what the owners can actually afford. So go ahead and pay the player, but when you cut him it shouldn't count against the cap. Where is the advantage of signing a player to a bunch of money and then releasing him? He doesn't play for you anymore, so it's not like you're stealing him. And he still gets his money. You know what they call that in other sports? Normal. Because they either don't have salary caps or allow you to pay a luxury tax to go over it, which is what a lot of teams do in other sports. This is why the cap, (specifically the NFL's version) itself, was and is a horrible idea. mleg1972 likes this.
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07-25-2015, 10:04 AM	#53
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,101	Re: New Orleans Saints release Junior Galette All of his mouth running and bad mouthing, along with that video, and his ongoing questionable off the field choices are going to make him finding another job, difficult. He's immature, and despite his talent as a pass rusher, I think he is about to find the job market with slim to no suitors.

07-25-2015, 11:44 AM	#54
vtiger72 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 185	Re: New Orleans Saints release Junior Galette Originally Posted by burningmetal I appreciate you trying to clarify that, but I already know why the cap is in place. My point is the "why" doesn't make sense. I think you missed the major point of my post. I said that I get that you have to still pay them. But it shouldn't count against the team's cap if they aren't playing for you. Owners are billionaires, they can pay it, but the cap is very limited in comparison to what the owners can actually afford. So go ahead and pay the player, but when you cut him it shouldn't count against the cap. Where is the advantage of signing a player to a bunch of money and then releasing him? He doesn't play for you anymore, so it's not like you're stealing him. And he still gets his money. You know what they call that in other sports? Normal. Because they either don't have salary caps or allow you to pay a luxury tax to go over it, which is what a lot of teams do in other sports. This is why the cap, (specifically the NFL's version) itself, was and is a horrible idea. Let me help you explain the why. In the NFL, the aim is for parity. They do not want the rich owners to outspend the others. This way a team in a market like Green Bay can compete with a team in New York. If cut players' money did not count against the cap, an owner like Jerry Jones would sign a player to a large contract but with a great deal of it in signing bonus. Then he cut that player a couple years into the deal without any hit and spend a huge amount to do it all again. The salary cap would become a scam. If that's the system you want, do away with the cap altogether. But if so, do not complain when rich owners buy their way to a championship over and over again. SaintFanInATLHELL, jnormand, Rsanders24 and 1 others like this.
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07-25-2015, 12:08 PM	#55
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: New Orleans Saints release Junior Galette This was expected with all the things going on with him off the field and even on the way to the field. It's a shame it had to come to this, but they had to part ways with him to stay credible. I thought he was overpaid and said as much when he was given the extension, but they'll just have to eat the dead money and learn from it. To me Galette never seemed dominant, a one trick pony, who never seemed to show up when it mattered. It's funny how people are talking about the 22 sacks in 2 seasons, and on that basis alone deem him a top-tier pass rusher - clearly they haven't seen many Saints' games. And if anyone needed any more convincing this was the right move - just look how classless his reaction was to his release. mleg1972 and brees84 like this.
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vtiger72 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 185	Re: New Orleans Saints release Junior Galette Originally Posted by voodooido So what cap does it free up this year and how hard is the hit for next? frees up 100K this year and 12.1 million in dead money next year.
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voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,770	Re: New Orleans Saints release Junior Galette Originally Posted by vtiger72 frees up 100K this year and 12.1 million in dead money next year. Ouch! He must of been a real cancer if they are willing to eat 12.1 million in 2016 and lose 12 sacks a year. So that puts us up to roughly 155 million next year with out top 53. Wonder what the cap line will be......
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