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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by burningmetal Knowing that there is a huge difference between the cap number and the actual money that owners have, I still don't get after all these years why a team should take a cap hit for releasing ...

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Old 07-24-2015, 09:06 PM   #1
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Re: New Orleans Saints release Junior Galette

Originally Posted by burningmetal View Post
Knowing that there is a huge difference between the cap number and the actual money that owners have, I still don't get after all these years why a team should take a cap hit for releasing a player. I get having to still pay them, that's not a problem for these owners. But it shouldn't count against the cap once the player is off the team.
The cap hit is required to keep teams honest under the salary cap. Dead money that is owed against the cap is money that has already been paid to the player (in a guaranteed signing bonus).

If teams could cut a player and not owe the money, then everyone would pay players huge signing bonuses, cut players midway though the contract, then never have to account for the money against the cap. So...
The only reason to implement a dumb rule like that is if you think it's preventing teams from some sort of unfair advantage.
Exactly. That's why it's in place.
Just think about it, though... You sign players that you want, whom you can afford, so the last thing you want to do is turn around and release them. But when something like this Galette crap comes up you really don't have much of a choice. Where's the advantage? You've lost the player and you're still paying them, but yet you still have to take the cap hit for a player you don't have? Dumb.
The threat of having to pay back that money is designed to encourage teams to honor long term contracts for a longer period of time.

All that aside, I definitely support the decision by the Saints.
Well the Saints really structured JR contract as a two year contract with a reasonable dead money hit with a June 1 cut after the 2nd year. Just never got to that point.

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Re: New Orleans Saints release Junior Galette

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The cap hit is required to keep teams honest under the salary cap. Dead money that is owed against the cap is money that has already been paid to the player (in a guaranteed signing bonus).

If teams could cut a player and not owe the money, then everyone would pay players huge signing bonuses, cut players midway though the contract, then never have to account for the money against the cap. So...

Exactly. That's why it's in place.


The threat of having to pay back that money is designed to encourage teams to honor long term contracts for a longer period of time.



Well the Saints really structured JR contract as a two year contract with a reasonable dead money hit with a June 1 cut after the 2nd year. Just never got to that point.

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I appreciate you trying to clarify that, but I already know why the cap is in place. My point is the "why" doesn't make sense. I think you missed the major point of my post. I said that I get that you have to still pay them. But it shouldn't count against the team's cap if they aren't playing for you. Owners are billionaires, they can pay it, but the cap is very limited in comparison to what the owners can actually afford.

So go ahead and pay the player, but when you cut him it shouldn't count against the cap. Where is the advantage of signing a player to a bunch of money and then releasing him? He doesn't play for you anymore, so it's not like you're stealing him. And he still gets his money.

You know what they call that in other sports? Normal. Because they either don't have salary caps or allow you to pay a luxury tax to go over it, which is what a lot of teams do in other sports. This is why the cap, (specifically the NFL's version) itself, was and is a horrible idea.
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Re: New Orleans Saints release Junior Galette

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I appreciate you trying to clarify that, but I already know why the cap is in place. My point is the "why" doesn't make sense. I think you missed the major point of my post. I said that I get that you have to still pay them. But it shouldn't count against the team's cap if they aren't playing for you. Owners are billionaires, they can pay it, but the cap is very limited in comparison to what the owners can actually afford.

So go ahead and pay the player, but when you cut him it shouldn't count against the cap. Where is the advantage of signing a player to a bunch of money and then releasing him? He doesn't play for you anymore, so it's not like you're stealing him. And he still gets his money.

You know what they call that in other sports? Normal. Because they either don't have salary caps or allow you to pay a luxury tax to go over it, which is what a lot of teams do in other sports. This is why the cap, (specifically the NFL's version) itself, was and is a horrible idea.
Let me help you explain the why. In the NFL, the aim is for parity. They do not want the rich owners to outspend the others. This way a team in a market like Green Bay can compete with a team in New York.

If cut players' money did not count against the cap, an owner like Jerry Jones would sign a player to a large contract but with a great deal of it in signing bonus. Then he cut that player a couple years into the deal without any hit and spend a huge amount to do it all again. The salary cap would become a scam.

If that's the system you want, do away with the cap altogether. But if so, do not complain when rich owners buy their way to a championship over and over again.
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