I think its Payton's fault Vitt, Johnson, and Mc Griff are still there. I think most these guys have been there since Spagnolo or before then and we yielded the same results. If you look at it from a business stand point Rob is the manager while vitt and then are assistant managers that actually are the true hands ppl towards the players in there respected positions. So if the defense was horrible before Rob took over I highly doubt firing Rob and getting another DC while keeping Vitt and company will make the defense solid. Not backing Rob but i think Payton if this year is another crap year fire Rob, Vitt as linebacker coach, Johnson, and Mc Griff and start new across the board.

This is probably the best point that can be made for RR. If we really wanted to give Ryan a fair shot then he should be able to bring in his own guys. Hell, if I was a highly touted DC on the market for a new job I wouldn't accept someone picking my staff for me. This might be a reason we didn't get Jack Del Rio or Romeo when they were available. Of all things Payton brings back another one of his 'boys' in Allen... Rob has to feel like he has no control because Payton's minions are all around him.

Wow... A preseason thread already in mid-season, meltdown form.