Archie Manning joins celebrity effort to change Mississippi state flag

nola_swammi · 08-22-2015, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by frydaddy

. This info is out there though, and most of it can be found in a book called "The Real Lincoln". I strongly recommend that everyone read it, it's an eye opener. Turns out that the great Abraham Lincoln wasn't so great. He was a borderline tyrant who started a war that raped and devestated the south.!

What make this book "The Real Lincoln" non fiction? Fact, Abraham Lincoln ordered Emancipation Proclamation to paved the way for African-Americans to fight for their freedom. Fact, the south was against the abolishment of slavery. Fact, Lincoln considered the Emancipation Proclamation the crowning achievement of his presidency.

10 Facts about the Emancipation Proclamation

nola_swammi · 08-22-2015, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by frydaddy

The Confederate flag is not a symbol of slavery, hatred or racism. !

It is not a symbol of slavery?
The south was fighting to maintain control over their property which at the time African American were considered property.

It is not a symbol of hatred?
It was a symbol of hating the government. That is why the "x" is crossed with stars and stripes.

It is not a symbol of racism?
Why EVERY hate group display the flag?

frydaddy · 08-22-2015, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

What make this book "The Real Lincoln" non fiction? Fact, Abraham Lincoln ordered Emancipation Proclamation to paved the way for African-Americans to fight for their freedom. Fact, the south was against the abolishment of slavery. Fact, Lincoln considered the Emancipation Proclamation the crowning achievement of his presidency.

10 Facts about the Emancipation Proclamation

Like I said dude, read it for yourself. It's not fiction, and it will blow your mind. The emancipation proclamation was just another political tool he used... just do yourself a favor and read the book. He's not the hero you think he is.

frydaddy · 08-22-2015, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

It is not a symbol of slavery?
The south was fighting to maintain control over their property which at the time African American were considered property.

It is not a symbol of hatred?
It was a symbol of hating the government. That is why the "x" is crossed with stars and stripes.

It is not a symbol of racism?
Why EVERY hate group display the flag?

The south was fighting to maintain states rights. Lincoln and revisionist historians want you to believe it was about slavery because that's what he needed people to believe so that he wouldn't be seen as the near tyrant that he was... I'll say it one more time, read the book and see for yourself.

I don't know where you get the "hating the government" thing from, but I'm sure it's taken out of context. The south was against centralized or "big" government, Lincoln was all about it.. that's why they seceded.

As I said in my original post, the fact that hate groups use it for their purposes doesn't change what it truly symbolizes. There are hate groups who fly the American flag, should we rip it down too? Those maniacs are the minority, why are we letting them dictate what things should or should not mean?

Exxcalibur · 08-22-2015, 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by SloMotion

The country gonna' be waving this flag at the rate it's going ...

You win the internet.

/salute

QBREES9 · 08-23-2015, 01:06 AM

You can't erase history. But it seem like everyone is trying.

hagan714 · 08-23-2015, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

Are you implying African American don't have the right to ******? The argument most people are concern with is the flag is a symbol of heritage/history. That is why the flag should be placed in a museum not in front of a courthouse. If we want to teach/express equal rights and freedom to ALL the flag don't belong cause it means total opposite.

i agree with you. the flag has no place in the government in my opinion also. to avoid the state flag issue i think it hould come up for a vote.

Just this has gone a bit extreme. I can not buy a rebel flag on line but i can get nazi and isis all day long?

duke of hazards? that was my final straw. hell that was offense to all white southerns lol

The extremist are hurting the message as they always do with ever thing they touch.

Tobias-Reiper · 08-23-2015, 05:54 PM

I wonder what Trump thinks of the flag...
After all, he don't like losers

The Dude · 08-23-2015, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

i agree with you. the flag has no place in the government in my opinion also. to avoid the state flag issue i think it hould come up for a vote.

Just this has gone a bit extreme. I can not buy a rebel flag on line but i can get nazi and isis all day long?

duke of hazards? that was my final straw. hell that was offense to all white southerns lol

The extremist are hurting the message as they always do with ever thing they touch.

Can you not get a rebel flag online? From what I understand only EBay and Wal Mart and maybe Amazon chose to not carry the item for sale any longer. I'm fine with that. Its their business and if the money lost/gained is something they can live with then more power to them. There are still other online vendors where you can get flags. I haven't checked so I don't know.

And no I am not saying African Americans do not have the right to be mad. All I am saying is that at a certain point people need to learn how to let go of their hate and baggage in order to move on.
It is said in just about every religion and agreed by many psychologists that the only way someone can move on and be free in their personal life is by learning to let go of any emotional baggage, accept it for what it is, own it, learn from it, and move on. It will make you stronger in the end .The same is true in society. Throughout history everyone, every race, religion, society, country, has been **** on at some point in time. If we all went around pointing fingers to this day we would never have progressed as a species.

And the civil war was mostly all about slavery. The South wanted to keep slaves and every state in the confederacy wanted to have the right to choose weather or not they got to keep slaves. Slavery was unconstitutional. States had their rights as long as they practiced them within the confines of the constitution. The southern states didn't want to accept the fact that slavery was unconstitutional.

Tobias-Reiper · 08-23-2015, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

I can not buy a rebel flag on line but i can get nazi and isis all day long?

Here you go, buddy.
Buy Rebel Flag 3 X 5 ft. for sale, Confederate Battle Flag 3 X 5 ft. for sale

Just be careful. Some are made in China

08-22-2015, 06:17 PM	#31
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Archie Manning joins celebrity effort to change Mississippi state flag Originally Posted by frydaddy . This info is out there though, and most of it can be found in a book called "The Real Lincoln". I strongly recommend that everyone read it, it's an eye opener. Turns out that the great Abraham Lincoln wasn't so great. He was a borderline tyrant who started a war that raped and devestated the south.! What make this book "The Real Lincoln" non fiction? Fact, Abraham Lincoln ordered Emancipation Proclamation to paved the way for African-Americans to fight for their freedom. Fact, the south was against the abolishment of slavery. Fact, Lincoln considered the Emancipation Proclamation the crowning achievement of his presidency. 10 Facts about the Emancipation Proclamation

08-22-2015, 06:31 PM	#32
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Archie Manning joins celebrity effort to change Mississippi state flag Originally Posted by frydaddy The Confederate flag is not a symbol of slavery, hatred or racism. ! It is not a symbol of slavery? The south was fighting to maintain control over their property which at the time African American were considered property. It is not a symbol of hatred? It was a symbol of hating the government. That is why the "x" is crossed with stars and stripes. It is not a symbol of racism? Why EVERY hate group display the flag?

08-22-2015, 06:33 PM	#33
frydaddy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Lafayette Posts: 1,950 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Archie Manning joins celebrity effort to change Mississippi state flag Originally Posted by nola_swammi What make this book "The Real Lincoln" non fiction? Fact, Abraham Lincoln ordered Emancipation Proclamation to paved the way for African-Americans to fight for their freedom. Fact, the south was against the abolishment of slavery. Fact, Lincoln considered the Emancipation Proclamation the crowning achievement of his presidency. 10 Facts about the Emancipation Proclamation Like I said dude, read it for yourself. It's not fiction, and it will blow your mind. The emancipation proclamation was just another political tool he used... just do yourself a favor and read the book. He's not the hero you think he is.

08-22-2015, 06:42 PM	#34
frydaddy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Lafayette Posts: 1,950 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Archie Manning joins celebrity effort to change Mississippi state flag Originally Posted by nola_swammi It is not a symbol of slavery? The south was fighting to maintain control over their property which at the time African American were considered property. It is not a symbol of hatred? It was a symbol of hating the government. That is why the "x" is crossed with stars and stripes. It is not a symbol of racism? Why EVERY hate group display the flag? The south was fighting to maintain states rights. Lincoln and revisionist historians want you to believe it was about slavery because that's what he needed people to believe so that he wouldn't be seen as the near tyrant that he was... I'll say it one more time, read the book and see for yourself. I don't know where you get the "hating the government" thing from, but I'm sure it's taken out of context. The south was against centralized or "big" government, Lincoln was all about it.. that's why they seceded. As I said in my original post, the fact that hate groups use it for their purposes doesn't change what it truly symbolizes. There are hate groups who fly the American flag, should we rip it down too? Those maniacs are the minority, why are we letting them dictate what things should or should not mean?
	Mais forte do que a morte

08-22-2015, 09:02 PM	#35
Exxcalibur Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 1,389	Re: Archie Manning joins celebrity effort to change Mississippi state flag Originally Posted by SloMotion The country gonna' be waving this flag at the rate it's going ... You win the internet. /salute hagan714 and SloMotion like this.

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08-23-2015, 01:06 AM	#36
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,985	Re: Archie Manning joins celebrity effort to change Mississippi state flag You can't erase history. But it seem like everyone is trying. hagan714, The Dude and SloMotion like this.

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hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Archie Manning joins celebrity effort to change Mississippi state flag Originally Posted by nola_swammi Are you implying African American don't have the right to ******? The argument most people are concern with is the flag is a symbol of heritage/history. That is why the flag should be placed in a museum not in front of a courthouse. If we want to teach/express equal rights and freedom to ALL the flag don't belong cause it means total opposite. i agree with you. the flag has no place in the government in my opinion also. to avoid the state flag issue i think it hould come up for a vote. Just this has gone a bit extreme. I can not buy a rebel flag on line but i can get nazi and isis all day long? duke of hazards? that was my final straw. hell that was offense to all white southerns lol The extremist are hurting the message as they always do with ever thing they touch. SloMotion likes this.

08-23-2015, 05:54 PM	#38
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Archie Manning joins celebrity effort to change Mississippi state flag I wonder what Trump thinks of the flag... After all, he don't like losers

08-23-2015, 06:12 PM	#39
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,050	Re: Archie Manning joins celebrity effort to change Mississippi state flag Originally Posted by hagan714 i agree with you. the flag has no place in the government in my opinion also. to avoid the state flag issue i think it hould come up for a vote. Just this has gone a bit extreme. I can not buy a rebel flag on line but i can get nazi and isis all day long? duke of hazards? that was my final straw. hell that was offense to all white southerns lol The extremist are hurting the message as they always do with ever thing they touch. Can you not get a rebel flag online? From what I understand only EBay and Wal Mart and maybe Amazon chose to not carry the item for sale any longer. I'm fine with that. Its their business and if the money lost/gained is something they can live with then more power to them. There are still other online vendors where you can get flags. I haven't checked so I don't know. And no I am not saying African Americans do not have the right to be mad. All I am saying is that at a certain point people need to learn how to let go of their hate and baggage in order to move on. It is said in just about every religion and agreed by many psychologists that the only way someone can move on and be free in their personal life is by learning to let go of any emotional baggage, accept it for what it is, own it, learn from it, and move on. It will make you stronger in the end .The same is true in society. Throughout history everyone, every race, religion, society, country, has been **** on at some point in time. If we all went around pointing fingers to this day we would never have progressed as a species. And the civil war was mostly all about slavery. The South wanted to keep slaves and every state in the confederacy wanted to have the right to choose weather or not they got to keep slaves. Slavery was unconstitutional. States had their rights as long as they practiced them within the confines of the constitution. The southern states didn't want to accept the fact that slavery was unconstitutional.
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08-23-2015, 10:02 PM	#40
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Archie Manning joins celebrity effort to change Mississippi state flag Originally Posted by hagan714 I can not buy a rebel flag on line but i can get nazi and isis all day long? Here you go, buddy. Buy Rebel Flag 3 X 5 ft. for sale, Confederate Battle Flag 3 X 5 ft. for sale Just be careful. Some are made in China

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