Another theory about whats wrong with Saints

Budsdrinker · 09-24-2015, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

There were several run plays against Tamp where they obviously knew what was coming because they crashed the line, and met Ingram 3 yards behind the line.

Then in the 2nd half there was a play I'm sure many of you remember.

It was a play action pass. Brees faked the handoff to KRob on the right side, but Tampa's defense didn't even look at KRob they just kept coming after Brees. Totally ignored the play action like KRob was invisible.

If Brees had handed the ball off, KRob likely takes it the distance. The hole was freakin huge!

They knew the play, absolutely knew it.

Just throwing this out there but how much of the Bucs knowing the play calling has anything to do with them signing Ryan Griffin after the Saints cut him. You think he didn't know what was coming when he saw the formations and personnel?

Budsdrinker · 09-24-2015, 11:29 AM

Don't think it has anything to do with camp location but more to do with the lack of contact due to new CBA

jlaw8920 · 09-24-2015, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

Don't think it has anything to do with camp location but more to do with the lack of contact due to new CBA

I partially agree. I think lack of contact is probably the biggest issue. As you can see by the numerous plays we could have stopped by tackling the player on the first try. I particularly remember a few times an edge rusher had a chance to stop the runner cutting outside, but missed due to angle and weak one arm tackle attempt.

At the same time, I think that a more "grueling" TC location, for lack of better word, would help with fitness, which might slightly cut down on injuries.

CharityMike · 09-24-2015, 11:58 AM

Something I've wondered lately, is it possible that our D coordinators are to old school in regards to training and doing things the way things are now in the NFL?

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halloween 65 · 09-24-2015, 12:49 PM

Our O looked good in training camp against our D. Our D looked decent against our O, but, our O going against a less than average D and the D going against a bad front line O might look like a good team but it doesn't make a good team. Smoke and mirrors. Payton has some serious decisions to make. If our O-line don't get fixed Brees want make the season. Tampa has a decent D but nothing superior.

Barry from MS · 09-24-2015, 12:51 PM

Couple of theories (and I'll steal a few from others):

1. Get camp out of freakin' West Virginia...we don't play in the ACC anyhow
2. Offensive play calling duties back to Carmichael. Sean, eat your pride & 'do your job' as Head Coach and oversee your underachieving coaching staff. That staff of yours is bordering 'F minus' territory...
3. Loomis, concentrate on being GM of the Saints. I like the Pelicans, but 2 jobs? Loomis, rate your job performance as Saints GM since you became head of basketball operations on June 2012, please? Scale of 1-10...
4. Can we please for the love of Pete find someone more competent (or just a little competency will do) to run special teams? This has been the most disgusting clown show to watch in the past half decade under McMahon's Stooge Regime. A blocked Extra Point...awesome. But it was our extra point...and we don't even complain about these things anymore. We are used to them. Sad.

Rugby Saint II · 09-24-2015, 03:00 PM

Drew led the team off the field and Payton was shaking hands with the players. Drew didn't even look at his coach on his way to the bench. That tells me something.

jeanpierre · 09-24-2015, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by skymike

I would like to add:

-- country club training camp... This needs to end, and we need to move TC
back to Mississippi.*

-- and no more talk about tofu & sprouts & gluten at the hot dog stands.

fix these 2 problems, and fix the Saints and their fans.

* Change it to Nicholls State in Thibodaux (Home of the Manning Passing Academy) and you got it...

The Dude · 09-25-2015, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by CharityMike

I don't agree with your assessment that no coach would want to coach here. They kept finding coachs for the Raiders when Al Davis was near his end and looney as hell. This is not the case here. We are still a good organization that has made some questionable choices as to contracts lately.

As to your point on Drew, I think you are reading to much into it. IMO I think he sounds beat because of his injury. He is a warrior and wants to play no matter what but I think his arm hurts more than he is letting on and he knows that he can't make the throws that are necessary. In the back of his mind, he knows he is gonna have to possibly sit out this week and its killing him.

How many of those Raiders coaches went on to do anything good as a head coach after Gruden? I honestly dont know just asking.

The Dude · 09-25-2015, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by CharityMike

So you are saying the Saints are dysfunctional because someone spent money on a statue for our owner? Seems like you have way to much pent up emotions with this statue..lol

I see his point. Its not the statue or even how much it costs that bothers me. It bothers me that someone within the organization took it upon themselves to write a check for however many millions without the owners knowledge and the owner being OK with it. If that is how Benson wants to run his business that is his perrogative, but its not smart business and its not something that would have flown with him 10 years ago. I dont care how many billions the organization is worth, that is millions of real money that is working capitol.
Theoretically if I had a business that was worth 100k and I owned it with a partner and he decided he was going to take 5k real money that is working capitol and buy me something with it I would dissolve the partnership immedietly. If he wanted to do it with his own money that he earned through the company fine, but doing it with the business' money is a no no.

All that being said I dont know how in the hell the statue was paid for, I was just going by what he said about the statue. If that is the case and the organization "surprised" him with it than that is an indicator that maybe he really doesnt have a handle on his business like he used to.

09-24-2015, 11:19 AM	#21
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Another theory about whats wrong with Saints Originally Posted by Danno There were several run plays against Tamp where they obviously knew what was coming because they crashed the line, and met Ingram 3 yards behind the line. Then in the 2nd half there was a play I'm sure many of you remember. It was a play action pass. Brees faked the handoff to KRob on the right side, but Tampa's defense didn't even look at KRob they just kept coming after Brees. Totally ignored the play action like KRob was invisible. If Brees had handed the ball off, KRob likely takes it the distance. The hole was freakin huge! They knew the play, absolutely knew it. Just throwing this out there but how much of the Bucs knowing the play calling has anything to do with them signing Ryan Griffin after the Saints cut him. You think he didn't know what was coming when he saw the formations and personnel? saintfan, Danno, Boutte and 4 others like this.

09-24-2015, 11:29 AM	#22
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Another theory about whats wrong with Saints Don't think it has anything to do with camp location but more to do with the lack of contact due to new CBA Danno and jlaw8920 like this.

09-24-2015, 11:51 AM	#23
jlaw8920 100th Post Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 123	Re: Another theory about whats wrong with Saints Originally Posted by Budsdrinker Don't think it has anything to do with camp location but more to do with the lack of contact due to new CBA I partially agree. I think lack of contact is probably the biggest issue. As you can see by the numerous plays we could have stopped by tackling the player on the first try. I particularly remember a few times an edge rusher had a chance to stop the runner cutting outside, but missed due to angle and weak one arm tackle attempt. At the same time, I think that a more "grueling" TC location, for lack of better word, would help with fitness, which might slightly cut down on injuries.
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09-24-2015, 11:58 AM	#24
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: Another theory about whats wrong with Saints Something I've wondered lately, is it possible that our D coordinators are to old school in regards to training and doing things the way things are now in the NFL? Sent from my SM-N910T using Tapatalk

09-24-2015, 12:49 PM	#25
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Another theory about whats wrong with Saints Our O looked good in training camp against our D. Our D looked decent against our O, but, our O going against a less than average D and the D going against a bad front line O might look like a good team but it doesn't make a good team. Smoke and mirrors. Payton has some serious decisions to make. If our O-line don't get fixed Brees want make the season. Tampa has a decent D but nothing superior. Rugby Saint II likes this.

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Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Another theory about whats wrong with Saints Couple of theories (and I'll steal a few from others): 1. Get camp out of freakin' West Virginia...we don't play in the ACC anyhow 2. Offensive play calling duties back to Carmichael. Sean, eat your pride & 'do your job' as Head Coach and oversee your underachieving coaching staff. That staff of yours is bordering 'F minus' territory... 3. Loomis, concentrate on being GM of the Saints. I like the Pelicans, but 2 jobs? Loomis, rate your job performance as Saints GM since you became head of basketball operations on June 2012, please? Scale of 1-10... 4. Can we please for the love of Pete find someone more competent (or just a little competency will do) to run special teams? This has been the most disgusting clown show to watch in the past half decade under McMahon's Stooge Regime. A blocked Extra Point...awesome. But it was our extra point...and we don't even complain about these things anymore. We are used to them. Sad. hagan714, RaginCajun83 and Rugby Saint II like this.
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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: Another theory about whats wrong with Saints Drew led the team off the field and Payton was shaking hands with the players. Drew didn't even look at his coach on his way to the bench. That tells me something. pherein likes this.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Another theory about whats wrong with Saints Originally Posted by skymike I would like to add: -- country club training camp... This needs to end, and we need to move TC back to Mississippi.* -- and no more talk about tofu & sprouts & gluten at the hot dog stands. fix these 2 problems, and fix the Saints and their fans. * Change it to Nicholls State in Thibodaux (Home of the Manning Passing Academy) and you got it... skymike likes this.

09-25-2015, 06:38 PM	#29
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: Another theory about whats wrong with Saints Originally Posted by CharityMike I don't agree with your assessment that no coach would want to coach here. They kept finding coachs for the Raiders when Al Davis was near his end and looney as hell. This is not the case here. We are still a good organization that has made some questionable choices as to contracts lately. As to your point on Drew, I think you are reading to much into it. IMO I think he sounds beat because of his injury. He is a warrior and wants to play no matter what but I think his arm hurts more than he is letting on and he knows that he can't make the throws that are necessary. In the back of his mind, he knows he is gonna have to possibly sit out this week and its killing him. How many of those Raiders coaches went on to do anything good as a head coach after Gruden? I honestly dont know just asking.
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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: Another theory about whats wrong with Saints Originally Posted by CharityMike So you are saying the Saints are dysfunctional because someone spent money on a statue for our owner? Seems like you have way to much pent up emotions with this statue..lol I see his point. Its not the statue or even how much it costs that bothers me. It bothers me that someone within the organization took it upon themselves to write a check for however many millions without the owners knowledge and the owner being OK with it. If that is how Benson wants to run his business that is his perrogative, but its not smart business and its not something that would have flown with him 10 years ago. I dont care how many billions the organization is worth, that is millions of real money that is working capitol. Theoretically if I had a business that was worth 100k and I owned it with a partner and he decided he was going to take 5k real money that is working capitol and buy me something with it I would dissolve the partnership immedietly. If he wanted to do it with his own money that he earned through the company fine, but doing it with the business' money is a no no. All that being said I dont know how in the hell the statue was paid for, I was just going by what he said about the statue. If that is the case and the organization "surprised" him with it than that is an indicator that maybe he really doesnt have a handle on his business like he used to.
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