For the love of Peat, FIRE RR

burningmetal · 10-12-2015, 01:20 AM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

Take the emotions out of it.

You can't ask RR to do any better than what he's doing with 6 rookies starting on defense.

Today we saw a 4th down stop midfield, and 2 INTs from the defense, on freaking consecutive defensive series. Points scored after those 3 series? 0.

Sure they made those plays early on, and it was exciting considering we hadn't intercepted a pass all year, but it didn't change the fact that they were getting gashed. The fact that they went on to give up 39 points, kind of rendered the couple nice plays meaningless.

I thought Breaux played a lot better, and when Lewis was in there he looked alright. The problem is we give up almost everything right down the middle of the field. Rookies or no rookies, it shouldn't look that easy against us. Rob has a certain reputation that preceded these struggles the last two years. I can't give him a pass.

Tobias-Reiper · 10-12-2015, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

The fact that they went on to give up 39 points, kind of rendered the couple nice plays meaningless.

No. The offense scoring 0 points after those plays, is what rendered the "couple nice plays" meaningless.

The defense was on the field for way too long. When they made plays, the offense went 3 and out.

Budsdrinker · 10-12-2015, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

No. The offense scoring 0 points after those plays, is what rendered the "couple nice plays" meaningless.

The defense was on the field for way too long. When they made plays, the offense went 3 and out.

Yep, defense is on the field way too long and part of that is on the play calling on offense. I'm tired of watching us gain 4 yards on first down 3 on second and then instead of picking up the 3-4 yards needed to move the chains we try a 40 yard bomb and it's 3 and out and the defense is right back out on the field.
We need to have those 5-7 minute drives and give the defense a breathier.

burningmetal · 10-12-2015, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

No. The offense scoring 0 points after those plays, is what rendered the "couple nice plays" meaningless.

The defense was on the field for way too long. When they made plays, the offense went 3 and out.

Again, not disputing that the offense was bad. I can make A FEW exceptions for the defense on that merit, but not enough to say that they were anything short of awful. We scored a touchdown early to go up 7 nothing. Didn't matter. They marched right down the field on us, and we were fortunate enough to get a couple turnovers. I'll give the individuals who made the interceptions (Breaux and Browner) credit for making the play when they were given the opportunity, but as a whole, the defense was bad all day.

All that said, the offense was just as bad. There's really nothing positive to report from this game. There was just no life, beyond a couple individual performances. There is such a thing as winning a low scoring game. If we go 3 and out, our defense has to force 3 and out's. That's how defenses hang in when their offense struggles. But this team simply isn't good enough in any phase to overcome itself.

Danno · 10-12-2015, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Again, not disputing that the offense was bad. I can make A FEW exceptions for the defense on that merit, but not enough to say that they were anything short of awful. We scored a touchdown early to go up 7 nothing. Didn't matter. They marched right down the field on us, and we fortunate enough to get a couple turnovers. I'll give the individuals who made the interceptions (Breaux and Browner) credit for making the play when they were given the opportunity, but as a whole, the defense was bad all day.

All that said, the offense was just as bad. There's really nothing positive to report from this game. There was just no life, beyond a couple individual performances. There is such a thing as winning a low scoring game. If we go 3 and out, our defense has to force 3 and out's. That's how defenses hang in when their offense struggles. But this team simply isn't good enough in any phase to overcome itself.

What I'm seeing on defense is several great plays by numerous players, yet the sum of all the parts is actually worse than the whole. To me that points to coaching.

Yes we have a few holes, but not nearly enough to suck this bad.

burningmetal · 10-12-2015, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

What I'm seeing on defense is several great plays by numerous players, yet the sum of all the parts is actually worse than the whole. To me that points to coaching.

Yes we have a few holes, but not nearly enough to suck this bad.

Agreed. Though I probably wouldn't define a whole lot of plays as being great, I still think there should be enough talent to at least compete. We're getting destroyed on crossing routes and tight ends just sitting in the middle of the field. You'd think we would have figured out some type of personnel change to match up, schematically, with what teams are doing to us.

Tobias-Reiper · 10-12-2015, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Again, not disputing that the offense was bad. I can make A FEW exceptions for the defense on that merit, but not enough to say that they were anything short of awful. We scored a touchdown early to go up 7 nothing. Didn't matter.

Of course it didn't matter. It didn't matter because the offense scored a grand total of 3 points afterwards on countless 3 and outs, not to mention, turning the ball over 3 times.

And no, I am not going to count that meaningless 0-seconds left TD, because had it mattered, I am sure the Eagles D would've stopped it.

But ***** and moan all you want about the defense. All I know is, scoring 10 points a game in go-time and turning the ball over 3 times is not going to win a lot of games.

burningmetal · 10-12-2015, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

Of course it didn't matter. It didn't matter because the offense scored a grand total of 3 points afterwards on countless 3 and outs, not to mention, turning the ball over 3 times.

And no, I am not going to count that meaningless 0-seconds left TD, because had it mattered, I am sure the Eagles D would've stopped it.

But ***** and moan all you want about the defense. All I know is, scoring 10 points a game in go-time and turning the ball over 3 times is not going to win a lot of games.

I'm not *****ing and moaning. I'm giving a reasonable assessment of the ass kicking my team just took.

When we moved it early, our defense had no resistance other than touchdown saving interceptions on horribly thrown balls. When we had an entire half to rest and then got the ball first, drove down the field and kicked the game tying field goal, our defense came back out and didn't come close to stopping them. If we had moved the ball, our defense wouldn't have been on the field as much, I get that. That's obvious. But if the Saints forced a few 3 and out's, that also would prevent them from being on the field all day.

It goes both ways, and that's just the way it is. There's a lot of butthurt in here about people calling out the defense. We're calling out the offense, too. I'm sorry, but there aren't enough excuses in the world to make up for 519 yards. You can blame the players or you can blame the coaches, but either way it's unacceptable. I have a guy pissed at me in this same thread over calling out Drew Brees, even though I didn't single him out. Seems everybody has to have a scapegoat, and there can't be a consensus that the whole team is just terrible right now.

Tobias-Reiper · 10-12-2015, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I'm not *****ing and moaning. I'm giving a reasonable assessment of the ass kicking my team just took.

When we moved it early,

Yet, "we" could not score, even when "we" got the ball back inside the Eagles territory.

Our defense had no resistance other than touchdown saving interceptions on horribly thrown balls.

Yet, the Eagles did not score. And those were not horribly thrown balls. Those were good plays made by the defense.

When we had an entire half to rest and then got the ball first, drove down the field and kicked the game tying field goal, our defense came back out and didn't come close to stopping them.

Oh yeah! 3 points!! Game winner right there. And the offensive run down after the 3 points, you ask?

1 Play, fumble lost, Eagles offense gets the ball at the Saints 13. Eagles get TD off it.
6 plays, 17 yards, punt. Eagles get only a FG off it.
4 plays, 18 yards, punt. Eagles get only a FG off it.
3 plays, fumble lost. Eagles get only FG off it.
2 plays, interception. eagles offense gets the ball at the Saints 4. Eagles get TD off it.

That's a grand total of 16 plays in 5 offensive series, no points scored, and 3 TOs.

I'm sorry, but there aren't enough excuses in the world to make up for 519 yards.

It is not about making excuses for 519 yards.
1. No one is excusing anything.
2. The score doesn't count yards, it counts points. And when the game mattered, the Eagles could have scored 11 points and won the game.

But go ahead and pile up on the coach that has 6 rookies starting on defense (especially one that seems to get flagged for merely looking wrong at WRs) and doesn't have the freedom to bring his own assistant coaches.

The thread title should read fire Payton, not RR.

Rsanders24 · 10-12-2015, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

Yet, "we" could not score, even when "we" got the ball back inside the Eagles territory.

Yet, the Eagles did not score. And those were not horribly thrown balls. Those were good plays made by the defense.

Oh yeah! 3 points!! Game winner right there. And the offensive run down after the 3 points, you ask?

1 Play, fumble lost, Eagles offense gets the ball at the Saints 13. Eagles get TD off it.
6 plays, 17 yards, punt. Eagles get only a FG off it.
4 plays, 18 yards, punt. Eagles get only a FG off it.
3 plays, fumble lost. Eagles get only FG off it.
2 plays, interception. eagles offense gets the ball at the Saints 4. Eagles get TD off it.

That's a grand total of 16 plays in 5 offensive series, no points scored, and 3 TOs.

It is not about making excuses for 519 yards.
1. No one is excusing anything.
2. The score doesn't count yards, it counts points. And when the game mattered, the Eagles could have scored 11 points and won the game.

But go ahead and pile up on the coach that has 6 rookies starting on defense (especially one that seems to get flagged for merely looking wrong at WRs) and doesn't have the freedom to bring his own assistant coaches.

The thread title should read fire Payton, not RR.

BRAVO!!!!!! I've been saying that as well...

No one is holding the defense blameless but we knew they would suck...now that the offense is just as bad the defense is still why we loss. We have a problem...an offense that has gone from 30 pts/game to 10pts/game...i said this in another thread but Payton acts like this is Madden...instead of getting players that will work with the scheme Ryan wants to play...

10-12-2015, 01:20 AM	#1
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: For the love of Peat, FIRE RR Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper Take the emotions out of it. You can't ask RR to do any better than what he's doing with 6 rookies starting on defense. Today we saw a 4th down stop midfield, and 2 INTs from the defense, on freaking consecutive defensive series. Points scored after those 3 series? 0. Sure they made those plays early on, and it was exciting considering we hadn't intercepted a pass all year, but it didn't change the fact that they were getting gashed. The fact that they went on to give up 39 points, kind of rendered the couple nice plays meaningless. I thought Breaux played a lot better, and when Lewis was in there he looked alright. The problem is we give up almost everything right down the middle of the field. Rookies or no rookies, it shouldn't look that easy against us. Rob has a certain reputation that preceded these struggles the last two years. I can't give him a pass.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

10-12-2015, 09:50 AM	#2
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: For the love of Peat, FIRE RR Originally Posted by burningmetal The fact that they went on to give up 39 points, kind of rendered the couple nice plays meaningless. No. The offense scoring 0 points after those plays, is what rendered the "couple nice plays" meaningless. The defense was on the field for way too long. When they made plays, the offense went 3 and out. Rsanders24 and Budsdrinker like this.

10-12-2015, 09:59 AM	#3
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: For the love of Peat, FIRE RR Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper No. The offense scoring 0 points after those plays, is what rendered the "couple nice plays" meaningless. The defense was on the field for way too long. When they made plays, the offense went 3 and out. Yep, defense is on the field way too long and part of that is on the play calling on offense. I'm tired of watching us gain 4 yards on first down 3 on second and then instead of picking up the 3-4 yards needed to move the chains we try a 40 yard bomb and it's 3 and out and the defense is right back out on the field. We need to have those 5-7 minute drives and give the defense a breathier.

10-12-2015, 10:47 AM	#4
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: For the love of Peat, FIRE RR Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper No. The offense scoring 0 points after those plays, is what rendered the "couple nice plays" meaningless. The defense was on the field for way too long. When they made plays, the offense went 3 and out. Again, not disputing that the offense was bad. I can make A FEW exceptions for the defense on that merit, but not enough to say that they were anything short of awful. We scored a touchdown early to go up 7 nothing. Didn't matter. They marched right down the field on us, and we were fortunate enough to get a couple turnovers. I'll give the individuals who made the interceptions (Breaux and Browner) credit for making the play when they were given the opportunity, but as a whole, the defense was bad all day. All that said, the offense was just as bad. There's really nothing positive to report from this game. There was just no life, beyond a couple individual performances. There is such a thing as winning a low scoring game. If we go 3 and out, our defense has to force 3 and out's. That's how defenses hang in when their offense struggles. But this team simply isn't good enough in any phase to overcome itself.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

10-12-2015, 11:24 AM	#5
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: For the love of Peat, FIRE RR Originally Posted by burningmetal Again, not disputing that the offense was bad. I can make A FEW exceptions for the defense on that merit, but not enough to say that they were anything short of awful. We scored a touchdown early to go up 7 nothing. Didn't matter. They marched right down the field on us, and we fortunate enough to get a couple turnovers. I'll give the individuals who made the interceptions (Breaux and Browner) credit for making the play when they were given the opportunity, but as a whole, the defense was bad all day. All that said, the offense was just as bad. There's really nothing positive to report from this game. There was just no life, beyond a couple individual performances. There is such a thing as winning a low scoring game. If we go 3 and out, our defense has to force 3 and out's. That's how defenses hang in when their offense struggles. But this team simply isn't good enough in any phase to overcome itself. What I'm seeing on defense is several great plays by numerous players, yet the sum of all the parts is actually worse than the whole. To me that points to coaching. Yes we have a few holes, but not nearly enough to suck this bad. jnormand, Crusader, Rugby Saint II and 1 others like this.

10-12-2015, 11:32 AM	#6
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: For the love of Peat, FIRE RR Originally Posted by Danno What I'm seeing on defense is several great plays by numerous players, yet the sum of all the parts is actually worse than the whole. To me that points to coaching. Yes we have a few holes, but not nearly enough to suck this bad. Agreed. Though I probably wouldn't define a whole lot of plays as being great, I still think there should be enough talent to at least compete. We're getting destroyed on crossing routes and tight ends just sitting in the middle of the field. You'd think we would have figured out some type of personnel change to match up, schematically, with what teams are doing to us.

10-12-2015, 11:40 AM	#7
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: For the love of Peat, FIRE RR Originally Posted by burningmetal Again, not disputing that the offense was bad. I can make A FEW exceptions for the defense on that merit, but not enough to say that they were anything short of awful. We scored a touchdown early to go up 7 nothing. Didn't matter. Of course it didn't matter. It didn't matter because the offense scored a grand total of 3 points afterwards on countless 3 and outs, not to mention, turning the ball over 3 times. And no, I am not going to count that meaningless 0-seconds left TD, because had it mattered, I am sure the Eagles D would've stopped it. But ***** and moan all you want about the defense. All I know is, scoring 10 points a game in go-time and turning the ball over 3 times is not going to win a lot of games.
	'Cause the simple man pays the thrills, the bills and the pills that kill

10-12-2015, 11:57 AM	#8
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: For the love of Peat, FIRE RR Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper Of course it didn't matter. It didn't matter because the offense scored a grand total of 3 points afterwards on countless 3 and outs, not to mention, turning the ball over 3 times. And no, I am not going to count that meaningless 0-seconds left TD, because had it mattered, I am sure the Eagles D would've stopped it. But *** and moan all you want about the defense. All I know is, scoring 10 points a game in go-time and turning the ball over 3 times is not going to win a lot of games. I'm not ***ing and moaning. I'm giving a reasonable assessment of the ass kicking my team just took. When we moved it early, our defense had no resistance other than touchdown saving interceptions on horribly thrown balls. When we had an entire half to rest and then got the ball first, drove down the field and kicked the game tying field goal, our defense came back out and didn't come close to stopping them. If we had moved the ball, our defense wouldn't have been on the field as much, I get that. That's obvious. But if the Saints forced a few 3 and out's, that also would prevent them from being on the field all day. It goes both ways, and that's just the way it is. There's a lot of butthurt in here about people calling out the defense. We're calling out the offense, too. I'm sorry, but there aren't enough excuses in the world to make up for 519 yards. You can blame the players or you can blame the coaches, but either way it's unacceptable. I have a guy pissed at me in this same thread over calling out Drew Brees, even though I didn't single him out. Seems everybody has to have a scapegoat, and there can't be a consensus that the whole team is just terrible right now.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

10-12-2015, 01:43 PM	#9
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: For the love of Peat, FIRE RR Originally Posted by burningmetal I'm not *****ing and moaning. I'm giving a reasonable assessment of the ass kicking my team just took. When we moved it early, Yet, "we" could not score, even when "we" got the ball back inside the Eagles territory. Our defense had no resistance other than touchdown saving interceptions on horribly thrown balls. Yet, the Eagles did not score. And those were not horribly thrown balls. Those were good plays made by the defense. When we had an entire half to rest and then got the ball first, drove down the field and kicked the game tying field goal, our defense came back out and didn't come close to stopping them. Oh yeah! 3 points!! Game winner right there. And the offensive run down after the 3 points, you ask? 1 Play, fumble lost, Eagles offense gets the ball at the Saints 13. Eagles get TD off it. 6 plays, 17 yards, punt. Eagles get only a FG off it. 4 plays, 18 yards, punt. Eagles get only a FG off it. 3 plays, fumble lost. Eagles get only FG off it. 2 plays, interception. eagles offense gets the ball at the Saints 4. Eagles get TD off it. That's a grand total of 16 plays in 5 offensive series, no points scored, and 3 TOs. I'm sorry, but there aren't enough excuses in the world to make up for 519 yards. It is not about making excuses for 519 yards. 1. No one is excusing anything. 2. The score doesn't count yards, it counts points. And when the game mattered, the Eagles could have scored 11 points and won the game. But go ahead and pile up on the coach that has 6 rookies starting on defense (especially one that seems to get flagged for merely looking wrong at WRs) and doesn't have the freedom to bring his own assistant coaches. The thread title should read fire Payton, not RR. Rsanders24 likes this.
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10-12-2015, 03:45 PM	#10
Rsanders24 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 1,493	Re: For the love of Peat, FIRE RR Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper Yet, "we" could not score, even when "we" got the ball back inside the Eagles territory. Yet, the Eagles did not score. And those were not horribly thrown balls. Those were good plays made by the defense. Oh yeah! 3 points!! Game winner right there. And the offensive run down after the 3 points, you ask? 1 Play, fumble lost, Eagles offense gets the ball at the Saints 13. Eagles get TD off it. 6 plays, 17 yards, punt. Eagles get only a FG off it. 4 plays, 18 yards, punt. Eagles get only a FG off it. 3 plays, fumble lost. Eagles get only FG off it. 2 plays, interception. eagles offense gets the ball at the Saints 4. Eagles get TD off it. That's a grand total of 16 plays in 5 offensive series, no points scored, and 3 TOs. It is not about making excuses for 519 yards. 1. No one is excusing anything. 2. The score doesn't count yards, it counts points. And when the game mattered, the Eagles could have scored 11 points and won the game. But go ahead and pile up on the coach that has 6 rookies starting on defense (especially one that seems to get flagged for merely looking wrong at WRs) and doesn't have the freedom to bring his own assistant coaches. The thread title should read fire Payton, not RR. BRAVO!!!!!! I've been saying that as well... No one is holding the defense blameless but we knew they would suck...now that the offense is just as bad the defense is still why we loss. We have a problem...an offense that has gone from 30 pts/game to 10pts/game...i said this in another thread but Payton acts like this is Madden...instead of getting players that will work with the scheme Ryan wants to play...

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