For the love of Peat, FIRE RR

CharityMike · 10-12-2015, 02:05 PM

You are spot on IMO burningmetal. The defense has shown some improvement with the exception of a couple slackers. Take Brandon Browner and all of his killer penalties and missed tackles out of the equation, how much better would this defense look?

IMO the offense is gone and done. When Mccown started, we slimmed it down and it worked. Last week it seemed we were pretty much doing the same thing but with Drew. Now this game they didn't.

When your Offense is struggling and your O line is acting like a turnstile at a little wayne concert, where is the adjustment? Where are the quick strike plays? IMO the blame is on the coaching. Im with Danno with, its time to blow this **** up. Payton has no answers, he looks defeated, he is no longer motivated. His assistants are washed up and just collecting a paycheck. If The upper Brass can get the right personnel in here, we have the players to make this work.

Tobias-Reiper · 10-12-2015, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I'm not *****ing and moaning. I'm giving a reasonable assessment of the ass kicking my team just took.

When we moved it early,

Yet, "we" could not score, even when "we" got the ball back inside the Eagles territory.

Our defense had no resistance other than touchdown saving interceptions on horribly thrown balls.

Yet, the Eagles did not score. And those were not horribly thrown balls. Those were good plays made by the defense.

When we had an entire half to rest and then got the ball first, drove down the field and kicked the game tying field goal, our defense came back out and didn't come close to stopping them.

Oh yeah! 3 points!! Game winner right there. And the offensive run down after the 3 points, you ask?

1 Play, fumble lost, Eagles offense gets the ball at the Saints 13. Eagles get TD off it.
6 plays, 17 yards, punt. Eagles get only a FG off it.
4 plays, 18 yards, punt. Eagles get only a FG off it.
3 plays, fumble lost. Eagles get only FG off it.
2 plays, interception. eagles offense gets the ball at the Saints 4. Eagles get TD off it.

That's a grand total of 16 plays in 5 offensive series, no points scored, and 3 TOs.

I'm sorry, but there aren't enough excuses in the world to make up for 519 yards.

It is not about making excuses for 519 yards.
1. No one is excusing anything.
2. The score doesn't count yards, it counts points. And when the game mattered, the Eagles could have scored 11 points and won the game.

But go ahead and pile up on the coach that has 6 rookies starting on defense (especially one that seems to get flagged for merely looking wrong at WRs) and doesn't have the freedom to bring his own assistant coaches.

The thread title should read fire Payton, not RR.

Rsanders24 · 10-12-2015, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

Yet, "we" could not score, even when "we" got the ball back inside the Eagles territory.

Yet, the Eagles did not score. And those were not horribly thrown balls. Those were good plays made by the defense.

Oh yeah! 3 points!! Game winner right there. And the offensive run down after the 3 points, you ask?

1 Play, fumble lost, Eagles offense gets the ball at the Saints 13. Eagles get TD off it.
6 plays, 17 yards, punt. Eagles get only a FG off it.
4 plays, 18 yards, punt. Eagles get only a FG off it.
3 plays, fumble lost. Eagles get only FG off it.
2 plays, interception. eagles offense gets the ball at the Saints 4. Eagles get TD off it.

That's a grand total of 16 plays in 5 offensive series, no points scored, and 3 TOs.

It is not about making excuses for 519 yards.
1. No one is excusing anything.
2. The score doesn't count yards, it counts points. And when the game mattered, the Eagles could have scored 11 points and won the game.

But go ahead and pile up on the coach that has 6 rookies starting on defense (especially one that seems to get flagged for merely looking wrong at WRs) and doesn't have the freedom to bring his own assistant coaches.

The thread title should read fire Payton, not RR.

BRAVO!!!!!! I've been saying that as well...

No one is holding the defense blameless but we knew they would suck...now that the offense is just as bad the defense is still why we loss. We have a problem...an offense that has gone from 30 pts/game to 10pts/game...i said this in another thread but Payton acts like this is Madden...instead of getting players that will work with the scheme Ryan wants to play...

Rugby Saint II · 10-12-2015, 04:45 PM

I never thought RR was a good hire to start with based on his previous record and experience. And he did surprisingly well but couldn't maintain his edge the following seasons.

We were moving into a 3-4 and now we're playing a 4-3......how can anyone expect to succeed as a DC with a head coach who just has to meddle with something at all times? Loomis has let Payton make too many questionable decisions and needs to tighten control over the franchise.

The long term plan has been ineffective the last few years. We need a new game plan that will change our course. Too many misses on free agents and terrible drafting hasn't helped but our approach needs a new beginning.

Oh yes, fire the D-line coach.......and the O-line coach too while we're at it.

Jamessr · 10-12-2015, 04:58 PM

I haven't been watching the games but the best fix fo a defense is a good running game.

Marlboro Man · 10-12-2015, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Do you think Dennis Allen will be the answer because that's who will replace him. Allen was supposed to fix the things Rob couldn't and it looks like he hasn't helped one bit.

I've said this all year. DA hasn't helped one bit and is as guilty as RR for the results we're seeing.

MarchingOn · 10-12-2015, 06:07 PM

The Scientific Method would say to change only one variable and hold all the others constant to see what (if anything) then improves. Limit big change to only one on each side of the ball. But, we appear to have so many possibilities, it is tempting to make whole scale changes.

The good news is we revamped our personnel who draft.

We have starters who should no longer be starting: WR Colston, ROT Streif, ROG Evan, LB Hawthorne. Maybe NT Jenkins. Maybe our punter.

We've starters who should never have been our best to start if we knew how to draft: Lelito, half our LB corps, half our DL, half our secondary.

We have starters who should have their roles reduced: RB Ingram, CB Browner, our Safeties. Maybe NT Jenkins. Whoever is OLB opposite Kikaha.

We need new schemes or new personnel to stop the passes to the TE and the runs up the middle. And a possession WR to play with Cooks and Snead.

We need to sit Brees until he is healed or whatever else is wrong until he can deal with the OL we do have. He's holding the ball too long and making decisions/throws/ducks that should be or are picked off.

We have coaches who still need to go: Vitt and other position coaches for a while now. Maybe RR.

We have coaches who should have their roles reduced. SP (play-calling). Maybe RR.

We should explore any trade opportunities...players (Ingram, maybe Jordan) and coaches. Well, Coach. Don't like the risk on that one.

WillSaints81 · 10-12-2015, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by DrewDat

This defense is worse than the offense...our o line is terrible but it's no excuse for this defense...if you told me 4 years ago that we can have Brandon Browner, Keenan Lewis and Jarius Byrd all on the field at the same time I'd be calling top 5 defense...it's a reason Dallas let him go and we were just in denial

Was our defense ranked in the top 5 in 09? Look this is something I hated to do. But that defense around Peyton.........half of it was good before he even got there. Brady? Yeah pats were a good run defense for years, and they only needed to work on the secondary. Here's the thing, you can't expect a defense to stay good when you let go so many contributors. I'm sorry but that's just how it is.

This sucks to say but are you willing to risk Drew Brees health to be a top five defense in two years? I'm not.

WillSaints81 · 10-12-2015, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by CharityMike

You are spot on IMO burningmetal. The defense has shown some improvement with the exception of a couple slackers. Take Brandon Browner and all of his killer penalties and missed tackles out of the equation, how much better would this defense look?

IMO the offense is gone and done. When Mccown started, we slimmed it down and it worked. Last week it seemed we were pretty much doing the same thing but with Drew. Now this game they didn't.

When your Offense is struggling and your O line is acting like a turnstile at a little wayne concert, where is the adjustment? Where are the quick strike plays? IMO the blame is on the coaching. Im with Danno with, its time to blow this **** up. Payton has no answers, he looks defeated, he is no longer motivated. His assistants are washed up and just collecting a paycheck. If The upper Brass can get the right personnel in here, we have the players to make this work.

What upper brass?

WillSaints81 · 10-12-2015, 06:21 PM

Is it RR or the fact that rookies had no one to learn from?

10-12-2015, 02:05 PM	#71
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: For the love of Peat, FIRE RR You are spot on IMO burningmetal. The defense has shown some improvement with the exception of a couple slackers. Take Brandon Browner and all of his killer penalties and missed tackles out of the equation, how much better would this defense look? IMO the offense is gone and done. When Mccown started, we slimmed it down and it worked. Last week it seemed we were pretty much doing the same thing but with Drew. Now this game they didn't. When your Offense is struggling and your O line is acting like a turnstile at a little wayne concert, where is the adjustment? Where are the quick strike plays? IMO the blame is on the coaching. Im with Danno with, its time to blow this **** up. Payton has no answers, he looks defeated, he is no longer motivated. His assistants are washed up and just collecting a paycheck. If The upper Brass can get the right personnel in here, we have the players to make this work. Danno and K Major like this.

10-12-2015, 02:43 PM	#72
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: For the love of Peat, FIRE RR Originally Posted by burningmetal I'm not *****ing and moaning. I'm giving a reasonable assessment of the ass kicking my team just took. When we moved it early, Yet, "we" could not score, even when "we" got the ball back inside the Eagles territory. Our defense had no resistance other than touchdown saving interceptions on horribly thrown balls. Yet, the Eagles did not score. And those were not horribly thrown balls. Those were good plays made by the defense. When we had an entire half to rest and then got the ball first, drove down the field and kicked the game tying field goal, our defense came back out and didn't come close to stopping them. Oh yeah! 3 points!! Game winner right there. And the offensive run down after the 3 points, you ask? 1 Play, fumble lost, Eagles offense gets the ball at the Saints 13. Eagles get TD off it. 6 plays, 17 yards, punt. Eagles get only a FG off it. 4 plays, 18 yards, punt. Eagles get only a FG off it. 3 plays, fumble lost. Eagles get only FG off it. 2 plays, interception. eagles offense gets the ball at the Saints 4. Eagles get TD off it. That's a grand total of 16 plays in 5 offensive series, no points scored, and 3 TOs. I'm sorry, but there aren't enough excuses in the world to make up for 519 yards. It is not about making excuses for 519 yards. 1. No one is excusing anything. 2. The score doesn't count yards, it counts points. And when the game mattered, the Eagles could have scored 11 points and won the game. But go ahead and pile up on the coach that has 6 rookies starting on defense (especially one that seems to get flagged for merely looking wrong at WRs) and doesn't have the freedom to bring his own assistant coaches. The thread title should read fire Payton, not RR. Rsanders24 likes this.
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10-12-2015, 04:45 PM	#73
Rsanders24 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 1,482	Re: For the love of Peat, FIRE RR Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper Yet, "we" could not score, even when "we" got the ball back inside the Eagles territory. Yet, the Eagles did not score. And those were not horribly thrown balls. Those were good plays made by the defense. Oh yeah! 3 points!! Game winner right there. And the offensive run down after the 3 points, you ask? 1 Play, fumble lost, Eagles offense gets the ball at the Saints 13. Eagles get TD off it. 6 plays, 17 yards, punt. Eagles get only a FG off it. 4 plays, 18 yards, punt. Eagles get only a FG off it. 3 plays, fumble lost. Eagles get only FG off it. 2 plays, interception. eagles offense gets the ball at the Saints 4. Eagles get TD off it. That's a grand total of 16 plays in 5 offensive series, no points scored, and 3 TOs. It is not about making excuses for 519 yards. 1. No one is excusing anything. 2. The score doesn't count yards, it counts points. And when the game mattered, the Eagles could have scored 11 points and won the game. But go ahead and pile up on the coach that has 6 rookies starting on defense (especially one that seems to get flagged for merely looking wrong at WRs) and doesn't have the freedom to bring his own assistant coaches. The thread title should read fire Payton, not RR. BRAVO!!!!!! I've been saying that as well... No one is holding the defense blameless but we knew they would suck...now that the offense is just as bad the defense is still why we loss. We have a problem...an offense that has gone from 30 pts/game to 10pts/game...i said this in another thread but Payton acts like this is Madden...instead of getting players that will work with the scheme Ryan wants to play...

10-12-2015, 04:45 PM	#74
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,044	Re: For the love of Peat, FIRE RR I never thought RR was a good hire to start with based on his previous record and experience. And he did surprisingly well but couldn't maintain his edge the following seasons. We were moving into a 3-4 and now we're playing a 4-3......how can anyone expect to succeed as a DC with a head coach who just has to meddle with something at all times? Loomis has let Payton make too many questionable decisions and needs to tighten control over the franchise. The long term plan has been ineffective the last few years. We need a new game plan that will change our course. Too many misses on free agents and terrible drafting hasn't helped but our approach needs a new beginning. Oh yes, fire the D-line coach.......and the O-line coach too while we're at it.
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10-12-2015, 04:58 PM	#75
Jamessr 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,583	Re: For the love of Peat, FIRE RR I haven't been watching the games but the best fix fo a defense is a good running game.

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Marlboro Man 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,469	Re: For the love of Peat, FIRE RR Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Do you think Dennis Allen will be the answer because that's who will replace him. Allen was supposed to fix the things Rob couldn't and it looks like he hasn't helped one bit. I've said this all year. DA hasn't helped one bit and is as guilty as RR for the results we're seeing. brees84 likes this.

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MarchingOn 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 387 Blog Entries: 1	Re: For the love of Peat, FIRE RR The Scientific Method would say to change only one variable and hold all the others constant to see what (if anything) then improves. Limit big change to only one on each side of the ball. But, we appear to have so many possibilities, it is tempting to make whole scale changes. The good news is we revamped our personnel who draft. We have starters who should no longer be starting: WR Colston, ROT Streif, ROG Evan, LB Hawthorne. Maybe NT Jenkins. Maybe our punter. We've starters who should never have been our best to start if we knew how to draft: Lelito, half our LB corps, half our DL, half our secondary. We have starters who should have their roles reduced: RB Ingram, CB Browner, our Safeties. Maybe NT Jenkins. Whoever is OLB opposite Kikaha. We need new schemes or new personnel to stop the passes to the TE and the runs up the middle. And a possession WR to play with Cooks and Snead. We need to sit Brees until he is healed or whatever else is wrong until he can deal with the OL we do have. He's holding the ball too long and making decisions/throws/ducks that should be or are picked off. We have coaches who still need to go: Vitt and other position coaches for a while now. Maybe RR. We have coaches who should have their roles reduced. SP (play-calling). Maybe RR. We should explore any trade opportunities...players (Ingram, maybe Jordan) and coaches. Well, Coach. Don't like the risk on that one.

10-12-2015, 06:14 PM	#78
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: For the love of Peat, FIRE RR Originally Posted by DrewDat This defense is worse than the offense...our o line is terrible but it's no excuse for this defense...if you told me 4 years ago that we can have Brandon Browner, Keenan Lewis and Jarius Byrd all on the field at the same time I'd be calling top 5 defense...it's a reason Dallas let him go and we were just in denial Was our defense ranked in the top 5 in 09? Look this is something I hated to do. But that defense around Peyton.........half of it was good before he even got there. Brady? Yeah pats were a good run defense for years, and they only needed to work on the secondary. Here's the thing, you can't expect a defense to stay good when you let go so many contributors. I'm sorry but that's just how it is. This sucks to say but are you willing to risk Drew Brees health to be a top five defense in two years? I'm not.

10-12-2015, 06:17 PM	#79
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: For the love of Peat, FIRE RR Originally Posted by CharityMike You are spot on IMO burningmetal. The defense has shown some improvement with the exception of a couple slackers. Take Brandon Browner and all of his killer penalties and missed tackles out of the equation, how much better would this defense look? IMO the offense is gone and done. When Mccown started, we slimmed it down and it worked. Last week it seemed we were pretty much doing the same thing but with Drew. Now this game they didn't. When your Offense is struggling and your O line is acting like a turnstile at a little wayne concert, where is the adjustment? Where are the quick strike plays? IMO the blame is on the coaching. Im with Danno with, its time to blow this **** up. Payton has no answers, he looks defeated, he is no longer motivated. His assistants are washed up and just collecting a paycheck. If The upper Brass can get the right personnel in here, we have the players to make this work. What upper brass?

10-12-2015, 06:21 PM	#80
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: For the love of Peat, FIRE RR Is it RR or the fact that rookies had no one to learn from?

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