Want them back?

saintswhodi · 02-16-2005, 05:12 PM

I just asked for a link. So it\'s a theory? Okay, I can accept that.

Danno · 02-16-2005, 05:29 PM

I just asked for a link. So it\'s a theory? Okay, I can accept that.

No its an assumption based on common sense.
I heard the interview on WWL with Haz. No link to a radio interview. But I certainly appreciate you trusting me.

I think its a safe assumption that Randy was calling the shots when he was here. But then again, maybe he was Haz\'s puppet and thats why Benson fired him.

But if we\'re gonna play the theory games...
Maybe Venturi was scared our defense was going to actually improve if we kept him, so he made Tom make Randy cut him and steer the blame toward Haz and his current DC, thereby setting up the DC job for himself after the decision back-fired. Yeah, thats the ticket.
Maybe it was Brooks. Everything else that goes wrong with this team is blamed on him, so why not those two decisions?
I\'ll try to provide links to the rest of my comments.

saintswhodi · 02-16-2005, 05:37 PM

Okay, so an assumption and not a theory? I can live with either. Not that I don\'t trust you, cause I do, but I trust everyone on here to come up with their own theories, or assumptions, of the events on Airline Dr. No worries. I have a different theory, or assumption, whichever turn of phrase works better, but I don\'t mind hearing someone else\'s.

Saint_LB · 02-16-2005, 05:57 PM

I have my theory...and have stated it many times in the past. Not specifically regarding these two players, but the way the Saints do business in general.

BENSONOMICS

Everyone knows these guys were excelling at their positions, and were going to want to be paid accordingly. Now, how can Benson pay these guys and pay for a yacht, too? Who sacrifices? We, the fans do, in the form of less W\'s and more L\'s. Does Benson ever have to worry about the gate? Not yet.

Danno · 02-16-2005, 05:57 PM

I have a different theory, or assumption, whichever turn of phrase works better, but I don\'t mind hearing someone else\'s.

Lets hear it.

saintswhodi · 02-16-2005, 07:53 PM

Sure Danno. Any decision we have made, I believe Haz has had major input. I posted an article on here that after Mueller was fired he demanded final say in personnel decisions in his extension negotiations. This does not sound like a guy who would just lay back and allow Mueller to call all the shots. It does sound like a guy who is unwilling to let Benson control his decisions though. I have also listened to Haz say the team needed to get bigger in the middle, and Glover was gone and in came Hand and Jackson. I also remember Haz saying the key in the secondary was to get faster, out went Sammy Knight. So in the theory I have drawn from these actions and Haz\' words, Mueller is not completely responsible for us losing these players. Haz is more responsible, but Benson not wanting to dig into that pocket is an even bigger culprit. There it is.

BlackandBlue · 02-16-2005, 08:01 PM

I seem to remember some cap issues then. The way I remember it, we had the money to sign either Joe Johnson or Glover, but not both, and we set our sites on Johnson. Glover signed with the Cowboys early, then we withdrew our offer to Johnson.

saintswhodi · 02-16-2005, 08:07 PM

Could very well be BNB.

FireVenturi · 02-16-2005, 08:13 PM

Glover yes...depending on contract
Fields no

WhoDat · 02-16-2005, 11:01 PM

No its an assumption based on common sense.

There\'s a word for those here at BnG Danno. It\'s starts with an A, ends with an A, and has gend in the middle. LOL!!

I know, it\'s sad man, when you can\'t even make an inference without being berated. But then, common sense doesn\'t seem to be all that abundant these days.

Anyway, back to the norm...

How DARE you suggest something without a link?!?! You CLEARLY have a Mueller Agen-a!! And you hate everyone else on the team. You\'ve criticized Brooks, Deuce, Horn, the entire defense, the o-line, the coaches, everyone!!! You hate the SAINTS dammit.

02-16-2005, 05:12 PM	#11
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Want them back? I just asked for a link. So it\'s a theory? Okay, I can accept that.

02-16-2005, 05:29 PM	#12
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Want them back? I just asked for a link. So it\'s a theory? Okay, I can accept that. No its an assumption based on common sense. I heard the interview on WWL with Haz. No link to a radio interview. But I certainly appreciate you trusting me. I think its a safe assumption that Randy was calling the shots when he was here. But then again, maybe he was Haz\'s puppet and thats why Benson fired him. But if we\'re gonna play the theory games... Maybe Venturi was scared our defense was going to actually improve if we kept him, so he made Tom make Randy cut him and steer the blame toward Haz and his current DC, thereby setting up the DC job for himself after the decision back-fired. Yeah, thats the ticket. Maybe it was Brooks. Everything else that goes wrong with this team is blamed on him, so why not those two decisions? I\'ll try to provide links to the rest of my comments.

02-16-2005, 05:37 PM	#13
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Want them back? Okay, so an assumption and not a theory? I can live with either. Not that I don\'t trust you, cause I do, but I trust everyone on here to come up with their own theories, or assumptions, of the events on Airline Dr. No worries. I have a different theory, or assumption, whichever turn of phrase works better, but I don\'t mind hearing someone else\'s.

02-16-2005, 05:57 PM	#14
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	Want them back? I have my theory...and have stated it many times in the past. Not specifically regarding these two players, but the way the Saints do business in general. BENSONOMICS Everyone knows these guys were excelling at their positions, and were going to want to be paid accordingly. Now, how can Benson pay these guys and pay for a yacht, too? Who sacrifices? We, the fans do, in the form of less W\'s and more L\'s. Does Benson ever have to worry about the gate? Not yet.
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894

02-16-2005, 05:57 PM	#15
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Want them back? I have a different theory, or assumption, whichever turn of phrase works better, but I don\'t mind hearing someone else\'s. Lets hear it.

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02-16-2005, 07:53 PM	#16
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Want them back? Sure Danno. Any decision we have made, I believe Haz has had major input. I posted an article on here that after Mueller was fired he demanded final say in personnel decisions in his extension negotiations. This does not sound like a guy who would just lay back and allow Mueller to call all the shots. It does sound like a guy who is unwilling to let Benson control his decisions though. I have also listened to Haz say the team needed to get bigger in the middle, and Glover was gone and in came Hand and Jackson. I also remember Haz saying the key in the secondary was to get faster, out went Sammy Knight. So in the theory I have drawn from these actions and Haz\' words, Mueller is not completely responsible for us losing these players. Haz is more responsible, but Benson not wanting to dig into that pocket is an even bigger culprit. There it is.

02-16-2005, 08:01 PM	#17
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Want them back? I seem to remember some cap issues then. The way I remember it, we had the money to sign either Joe Johnson or Glover, but not both, and we set our sites on Johnson. Glover signed with the Cowboys early, then we withdrew our offer to Johnson.

02-16-2005, 08:07 PM	#18
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Want them back? Could very well be BNB.

02-16-2005, 08:13 PM	#19
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	Want them back? Glover yes...depending on contract Fields no

02-16-2005, 11:01 PM	#20
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Want them back? No its an assumption based on common sense. There\'s a word for those here at BnG Danno. It\'s starts with an A, ends with an A, and has gend in the middle. LOL!! I know, it\'s sad man, when you can\'t even make an inference without being berated. But then, common sense doesn\'t seem to be all that abundant these days. Anyway, back to the norm... How DARE you suggest something without a link?!?! You CLEARLY have a Mueller Agen-a!! And you hate everyone else on the team. You\'ve criticized Brooks, Deuce, Horn, the entire defense, the o-line, the coaches, everyone!!! You hate the SAINTS dammit.
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