Fire Rob Ryan

blackangold · 11-09-2015, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by Thirty3

Defense is young and now wounded. I keep Ryan. The game was lost by the TEAM. Special teams. Fumble....turns into points. Missed field goal....game goes into overtime. In scoring position....interception. Important drive...holding penalty by Cooks. Get off Ryans back. It's a whole team thing. Never did like scapegoating.

One of the dumbest posts I have read in a while... of course teddy gives it a like... is that you teddy? Lol

If you only watched this single game then maybe all those excuses you made up would work, but this is nothing new for ryan. The last year and a half we have had the worst defense in the nfl, hell there are college D's that are better.

Euphoria · 11-09-2015, 10:06 AM

I don't think its a knee jerk reaction to fire him now.

I mean this has been going on for 2 seasons now WTF.

ikecomp · 11-09-2015, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by Thirty3

Defense is young and now wounded. I keep Ryan. The game was lost by the TEAM. Special teams. Fumble....turns into points. Missed field goal....game goes into overtime. In scoring position....interception. Important drive...holding penalty by Cooks. Get off Ryans back. It's a whole team thing. Never did like scapegoating.

You're right about it being a team loss. But, when your team has weak areas it's the responsibility of the organization to do what's necessary to correct them. Ignoring the problem only allows it to get worse or fester.

If the offense was struggling and ranked at the bottom of the NFL (like our defense) I would be calling for Sean Payton to give up playcalling duties.

When Rob struggled in his second year I was one of the first people to say he needs another year to prove himself based off how good he was his first year. We're now halfway through this year and I haven't seen much improvement. What's more concerning is that it doesn't appear to matter who's in the game, our defense just isn't playing well period. Blown coverages and wacky mistakes continue to happen. Don't get me wrong, the players share some of that blame but part of being a coach is knowing what your players are good at and what they're not and scheming around their talents. Rob doesn't appear to be doing that.

I would be shocked if Rob is still the d coordinator coming out of the bye week.

44Champs · 11-09-2015, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

I don't think its a knee jerk reaction to fire him now.

I mean this has been going on for 2 seasons now WTF.

Not just the last 2 seasons. I posted this on another thread:

Check out RR's rankings as a DefCoor. In 11 seasons, his defenses have been ranked in the bottom half of the league 9 times. Four of those years, his defense was ranked in the bottom 4. Numbers don't lie.
 
 
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Halo · 11-09-2015, 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by 44Champs

Not just the last 2 seasons. I posted this on another thread:

Check out RR's rankings as a DefCoor. In 11 seasons, his defenses have been ranked in the bottom half of the league 9 times. Four of those years, his defense was ranked in the bottom 4. Numbers don't lie.
 
 
Rob Ryan Coaching Record - m.pfref.com 
 
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That's kind of the dilemma I've talked about before.
I think the fact that we will have to let RR go is academic. Consider it's already happened. Why keep him around? He gave us a booster after Spags, then last year we stunk again. In 2015, I would have cut ties and brought in another professional with experience. To heck with reputation and defensive "coaching carousel" talk. We're trying to WIN and not win a reputation contest.

In fact, if we keep RR after this season and we finish 2015 below 20th ranked in the NFL on defense, either we let him go or it will look poorly on SP because who can take SP seriously? No hard feelings, but RR shouldn't be here. Tired of excuses, lost draft picks etc. We need to make sure coach is not part of the problem. RR has a poor poor coaching history, period!

WillSaints81 · 11-10-2015, 12:30 AM

Rob's defense in Dallas needed healthy starters and constantly losing Claiborne and Lee to injuries hurt. We have injuries now. Thats the RR system, relying on starters.

hagan714 · 11-10-2015, 03:54 AM

the defense is train wreck. even healthy? got no clue. Boot a bunch of vets and bring in the young pups, what would you expect? yada yada yada

It is a freaking train wreck. The players on the field are the survivors running for their lives. Some make it to safety. Others end up going down in flames as this defense burns out of control on the field.

As the fire rages you want me to start looking for a silver lining or who to to blame?

Silver lining? ask me at bye week after the smoke clears from my eyes and my tears stop flowing. It is all a blur to me right now and it just to painful to open my eyes and watch. the horror of it all

Blame is simple, it is the

slowly cooking on the side lines at about the 50. Or is that a scapegoat? What difference does it really make in the end. That is what they are serving us for lunch one day soon with a side of media sugar coated spin.

A Spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down
The medicine go down-wown
The medicine go down
Just a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down
In a most delightful way

I am telling you this defense is just to ugly to watch without mentally losing it.

dizzle88 · 11-10-2015, 05:56 AM

I have no idea why Payton goes for these DC's with bad track records

He had the chance to get Wade Phillips, Romeo Crennel or Jack Del Rio and he went with Rob Ryan.

Coincidentally all 3 coaches named above are fielding very good defenses now.

SapperSaint · 11-10-2015, 08:02 AM

We have put too much money into players that can't perform. It's almost like there is something's wrong with our talent scouting personnel. I really think the "creative" mind of Loomis has been more like our Government. Spending money we don't have on "products" that don't work.

I will be honest. I haven't been excited about this year, at all.

K Major · 11-10-2015, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by SapperSaint

We have put too much money into players that can't perform. It's almost like there is something's wrong with our talent scouting personnel. I really think the "creative" mind of Loomis has been more like our Government. Spending money we don't have on "products" that don't work.

I will be honest. I haven't been excited about this year, at all.

I'm confident Jeff Ireland and his staff will get this turned around.

11-09-2015, 09:30 AM	#51
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Fire Rob Ryan Originally Posted by Thirty3 Defense is young and now wounded. I keep Ryan. The game was lost by the TEAM. Special teams. Fumble....turns into points. Missed field goal....game goes into overtime. In scoring position....interception. Important drive...holding penalty by Cooks. Get off Ryans back. It's a whole team thing. Never did like scapegoating. One of the dumbest posts I have read in a while... of course teddy gives it a like... is that you teddy? Lol If you only watched this single game then maybe all those excuses you made up would work, but this is nothing new for ryan. The last year and a half we have had the worst defense in the nfl, hell there are college D's that are better.

11-09-2015, 10:06 AM	#52
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Fire Rob Ryan I don't think its a knee jerk reaction to fire him now. I mean this has been going on for 2 seasons now WTF. spkb25, 44Champs and K Major like this.

11-09-2015, 11:09 AM	#53
ikecomp 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 329	Re: Fire Rob Ryan Originally Posted by Thirty3 Defense is young and now wounded. I keep Ryan. The game was lost by the TEAM. Special teams. Fumble....turns into points. Missed field goal....game goes into overtime. In scoring position....interception. Important drive...holding penalty by Cooks. Get off Ryans back. It's a whole team thing. Never did like scapegoating. You're right about it being a team loss. But, when your team has weak areas it's the responsibility of the organization to do what's necessary to correct them. Ignoring the problem only allows it to get worse or fester. If the offense was struggling and ranked at the bottom of the NFL (like our defense) I would be calling for Sean Payton to give up playcalling duties. When Rob struggled in his second year I was one of the first people to say he needs another year to prove himself based off how good he was his first year. We're now halfway through this year and I haven't seen much improvement. What's more concerning is that it doesn't appear to matter who's in the game, our defense just isn't playing well period. Blown coverages and wacky mistakes continue to happen. Don't get me wrong, the players share some of that blame but part of being a coach is knowing what your players are good at and what they're not and scheming around their talents. Rob doesn't appear to be doing that. I would be shocked if Rob is still the d coordinator coming out of the bye week. Danno likes this.
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11-09-2015, 08:26 PM	#54
44Champs Site Donor Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,589	Re: Fire Rob Ryan Originally Posted by Euphoria I don't think its a knee jerk reaction to fire him now. I mean this has been going on for 2 seasons now WTF. Not just the last 2 seasons. I posted this on another thread: Check out RR's rankings as a DefCoor. In 11 seasons, his defenses have been ranked in the bottom half of the league 9 times. Four of those years, his defense was ranked in the bottom 4. Numbers don't lie. <br /> <br /> http://m.pfref.com/m?p=XXcoachesXXRyanRo0.htm&t=0<br /> <br /> Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk SloMotion likes this.
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11-09-2015, 10:43 PM	#55
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 21,012 Blog Entries: 45	Re: Fire Rob Ryan Originally Posted by 44Champs Not just the last 2 seasons. I posted this on another thread: Check out RR's rankings as a DefCoor. In 11 seasons, his defenses have been ranked in the bottom half of the league 9 times. Four of those years, his defense was ranked in the bottom 4. Numbers don't lie. <br /> <br /> Rob Ryan Coaching Record - m.pfref.com<br /> <br /> Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk That's kind of the dilemma I've talked about before. I think the fact that we will have to let RR go is academic. Consider it's already happened. Why keep him around? He gave us a booster after Spags, then last year we stunk again. In 2015, I would have cut ties and brought in another professional with experience. To heck with reputation and defensive "coaching carousel" talk. We're trying to WIN and not win a reputation contest. In fact, if we keep RR after this season and we finish 2015 below 20th ranked in the NFL on defense, either we let him go or it *will* look poorly on SP because who can take SP seriously? No hard feelings, but RR shouldn't be here. Tired of excuses, lost draft picks etc. We need to make sure coach is not part of the problem. RR has a poor poor coaching history, period! spkb25, RailBoss, CharityMike and 2 others like this.
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11-10-2015, 12:30 AM	#56
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,285	Re: Fire Rob Ryan Rob's defense in Dallas needed healthy starters and constantly losing Claiborne and Lee to injuries hurt. We have injuries now. Thats the RR system, relying on starters. Rugby Saint II and SloMotion like this.

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hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Fire Rob Ryan the defense is train wreck. even healthy? got no clue. Boot a bunch of vets and bring in the young pups, what would you expect? yada yada yada It is a freaking train wreck. The players on the field are the survivors running for their lives. Some make it to safety. Others end up going down in flames as this defense burns out of control on the field. As the fire rages you want me to start looking for a silver lining or who to to blame? Silver lining? ask me at bye week after the smoke clears from my eyes and my tears stop flowing. It is all a blur to me right now and it just to painful to open my eyes and watch. the horror of it all Blame is simple, it is the slowly cooking on the side lines at about the 50. Or is that a scapegoat? What difference does it really make in the end. That is what they are serving us for lunch one day soon with a side of media sugar coated spin. A Spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down The medicine go down-wown The medicine go down Just a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down In a most delightful way I am telling you this defense is just to ugly to watch without mentally losing it.
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11-10-2015, 05:56 AM	#58
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,693	Re: Fire Rob Ryan I have no idea why Payton goes for these DC's with bad track records He had the chance to get Wade Phillips, Romeo Crennel or Jack Del Rio and he went with Rob Ryan. Coincidentally all 3 coaches named above are fielding very good defenses now.

11-10-2015, 08:02 AM	#59
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Re: Fire Rob Ryan We have put too much money into players that can't perform. It's almost like there is something's wrong with our talent scouting personnel. I really think the "creative" mind of Loomis has been more like our Government. Spending money we don't have on "products" that don't work. I will be honest. I haven't been excited about this year, at all. Rugby Saint II likes this.

11-10-2015, 08:34 AM	#60
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,916 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Fire Rob Ryan Originally Posted by SapperSaint We have put too much money into players that can't perform. It's almost like there is something's wrong with our talent scouting personnel. I really think the "creative" mind of Loomis has been more like our Government. Spending money we don't have on "products" that don't work. I will be honest. I haven't been excited about this year, at all. I'm confident Jeff Ireland and his staff will get this turned around.

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