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All the good ole' boys need to go, Johnson, Vitt, Allen. Ryan is great at lb.'ers, one of the best but a DC not so great. He took the job knowing he would be stuck with the good ole' boys wheather he liked it or not and things are not working so well. If any DC is stuck it;s going to be the same thing, either Payton wakes up or our D will continue to lose game after game after game no matter the talent we have on the D.

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Yea i got it confused ill admit that but they were also t-28th in ints and t-26th in forced fumbles and the only good thing is that they were t-10th in sacks, so including the yards and points allen wasnt blazing the trail in the DC world. Yea tebow was their qb and were second to last in passing but they were 1st in rushing. Not great but they were 8-8 won the divison and beat big benny in the wild card.

Re: The positive Rob Ryan thread
 

right, so he did ok, that's what i said, better than rr

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Not by much, still not sold on dennis allen as dc had better players with three probowlers that year and weaseled out 20th

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I didn't remember Allen being the Raiders coach back in 2012, but I remembered vividly how bad the Broncos defense was that year. As for the year he WAS with the Broncos, they might not have had an exciting offense but it was a ball control offense. If you're defense is off the field you can't blame the offense for their struggles.

But again, look at how bad his defense's were in Oakland. That's his "specialty" so that reflects on him as the head coach just as it does being a coordinator. I AM NOT in the "Dennis Allen is running the defense, not Rob" crowd. I hold Rob the most responsible. But Dennis Allen is definitely not the answer in my mind. I'm tired of that whole staff.

Re: The positive Rob Ryan thread
 

i dont care whaat happened in oakland. ray rhodes, wade, gregg williams, romeo

all bad head coaches but good d coords.

I dont know that DA is the answer either, but he could take over right now and would our defense get worse??

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He's good at fielding Brandon Browner. Wish he was bad at that.


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Things have changed for the better................ I don't know.

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Any coordinator who is worth his salt should be able to carry that into his head coaching job. You might not win if you can't build the whole team up, but you should have success on your side of the ball, if you're truly good at what you do. Romeo Crennel was only thought to be good in New England. Bill Belichick runs that group just like Payton runs our offense.

Crennel has not done much since he left New England. There are a lot of bad coaches who get hired because some organizations have a hard time identifying good coaches from the rest of the coaches who are just lucky enough to have superior talent. We've had assistants leave here and suck elsewhere because they never were the brains to begin with (Marronne, Lombardi, Kromer immediately come to mind).

As for your question, what does it matter whether we get worse if we aren't getting better? I don't want Ryan or Allen, period.