Snead 1 target?

hagan714 · 11-16-2015, 04:43 AM

all I saw was SP plugging in the bench by the second quarter when Kelemete replaced Litto. from there on the saints were free wheeling with all the back ups for the most part.

Why? your guess is ass good as mine. My guess?

Starting roster evaluations for the pre draft needs chart.

Litto is a FA in 2016 so lets see if we get stuck paying as a starter or do we have something on the bench to work with? Might get luck and have some one to plug in for Evans. It's a swing and a miss! stttttrrrrrike one

From there on it was WTH lets see what the rest can do.

your guess?

burningmetal · 11-16-2015, 07:52 AM

I've been bashing the defense about pretty much everything they stand for in life, and rightfully so. But I have to say, the most embarrassing moment I may have ever seen in the entire Payton/Brees era came when Drew decided on his own that he would go for it on 4th down at his own 25 (or wherever it was) in the 4th quarter, down by 30. That Drew would go for that was puzzling, but that alone was not what made it embarrassing.

Two things: Payton clearly wanted no part of going for it, and yet he just stared out onto the field, confused, and didn't call a timeout. The second part is that Drew then proceeds to, on 4th and 4, throw a two yard pass to a guy who had a defender building a house and raising his family on his back. He could not possibly have been less open.

I know Drew is a hall of famer, and yada yada, but if you're Sean Payton, do you really want to let that guy just walk on you? I appreciated that Drew didn't want to give up. I wasn't mad at him for WANTING to go for it, even though the situation clearly seemed unreasonable to do so. I just figured "yeah, sean's gonna overrule him".

But when he was actually allowed to defy his own head coach, and then proceeded to make a dumb pass... All I could do was chuckle and say "wow... what a mess".

K Major · 11-16-2015, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I know Drew is a hall of famer, and yada yada, but if you're Sean Payton, do you really want to let that guy just walk on you? I appreciated that Drew didn't want to give up. I wasn't mad at him for WANTING to go for it, even though the situation clearly seemed unreasonable to do so. I just figured "yeah, sean's gonna overrule him".

But when he was actually allowed to defy his own head coach, and then proceeded to make a dumb pass... All I could do was chuckle and say "wow... what a mess".

Metal,
I saw that as well ...

I'm at the point where I think these guys are not zoned in or responding to SP anymore. Not that Drew was right, but man it seems that everyone on this team is doing their own thing. We are not on the same page offensively, defensively or special teams

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burningmetal · 11-16-2015, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Metal,
I saw that as well ...

I'm at the point where I think these guys are not zoned in or responding to SP anymore. Not that Drew was right, but man it seems that everyone on this team is doing their own thing. We are not on the same page offensively, defensively or special teams .

Exactly, man. That's what made that whole situation unsettling for me. The play was obviously ridiculous, but we see a lot of those. We're Saints fans.

It was all about the fact that there was no respect there. And from the face of the franchise, no less. I'm not saying that Brees hates Payton, or that he's going to do that on every play from here on out. But you could see a disconnect beyond just the play, itself.

You couple that with all the other squabbling going on, and the fact that Browner is continuously allowed to run amuck, both on the field and off it. It's not pretty.

Rell&Gold · 11-16-2015, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Metal,
I saw that as well ...

I'm at the point where I think these guys are not zoned in or responding to SP anymore. Not that Drew was right, but man it seems that everyone on this team is doing their own thing. We are not on the same page offensively, defensively or special teams .

That was one play at the end of the game where it really didn't make difference whether we went for it or not our defense was going to give up a score regardless bad throw bad protection that play is really being given to much attention

burningmetal · 11-17-2015, 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold

That was one play at the end of the game where it really didn't make difference whether we went for it or not our defense was going to give up a score regardless bad throw bad protection that play is really being given to much attention

It matters, because it looked pathetic on all parts. There's no reason to go for it down by 30 with 9 minutes left, from that part of the field. The fact that he waved off his own coach and the coach just let it happen... Who exactly runs this team?

And then, for all Drew's heroic intentions, he throws the dumbest pass possible. It's a combination of how the whole game, and season have gone leading into one of the dumbest plays of the year, in which the player made himself the coach, that makes it stand out.

Nobody is saying "man, that play was so stupid. It cost us the game". It's not about whether or not it made a difference in the outcome. It's how bad of a look it gave the team, after everything that had already happened.

That's why I personally took exception to that play.

st thomas · 11-17-2015, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold

That was one play at the end of the game where it really didn't make difference whether we went for it or not our defense was going to give up a score regardless bad throw bad protection that play is really being given to much attention

but didn't that play to coleman remind you of colston 10 years ago.catch and slip for five more.

Cruize · 11-16-2015, 08:01 AM

Payton lost the team last year. The only difference this year is some different players.

Budsdrinker · 11-16-2015, 09:19 AM

Snead is battling a knee injury, so I would imagine as quickly as it got out of hand in the second half it didn't make much sense to play him.

RailBoss · 11-16-2015, 09:40 AM

For some reason the Coach didn't know it was 4th down.

11-16-2015, 04:43 AM	#1
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Snead 1 target? all I saw was SP plugging in the bench by the second quarter when Kelemete replaced Litto. from there on the saints were free wheeling with all the back ups for the most part. Why? your guess is ass good as mine. My guess? Starting roster evaluations for the pre draft needs chart. Litto is a FA in 2016 so lets see if we get stuck paying as a starter or do we have something on the bench to work with? Might get luck and have some one to plug in for Evans. It's a swing and a miss! stttttrrrrrike one From there on it was WTH lets see what the rest can do. your guess?
	"We may have lost the game, but you'll be hurting tomorrow." Doug Atkins

11-16-2015, 07:52 AM	#2
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Snead 1 target? I've been bashing the defense about pretty much everything they stand for in life, and rightfully so. But I have to say, the most embarrassing moment I may have ever seen in the entire Payton/Brees era came when Drew decided on his own that he would go for it on 4th down at his own 25 (or wherever it was) in the 4th quarter, down by 30. That Drew would go for that was puzzling, but that alone was not what made it embarrassing. Two things: Payton clearly wanted no part of going for it, and yet he just stared out onto the field, confused, and didn't call a timeout. The second part is that Drew then proceeds to, on 4th and 4, throw a two yard pass to a guy who had a defender building a house and raising his family on his back. He could not possibly have been less open. I know Drew is a hall of famer, and yada yada, but if you're Sean Payton, do you really want to let that guy just walk on you? I appreciated that Drew didn't want to give up. I wasn't mad at him for WANTING to go for it, even though the situation clearly seemed unreasonable to do so. I just figured "yeah, sean's gonna overrule him". But when he was actually allowed to defy his own head coach, and then proceeded to make a dumb pass... All I could do was chuckle and say "wow... what a mess". nutria, mleg1972 and CharityMike like this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

11-16-2015, 08:03 AM	#3
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,797 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Snead 1 target? Originally Posted by burningmetal I know Drew is a hall of famer, and yada yada, but if you're Sean Payton, do you really want to let that guy just walk on you? I appreciated that Drew didn't want to give up. I wasn't mad at him for WANTING to go for it, even though the situation clearly seemed unreasonable to do so. I just figured "yeah, sean's gonna overrule him". But when he was actually allowed to defy his own head coach, and then proceeded to make a dumb pass... All I could do was chuckle and say "wow... what a mess". Metal, I saw that as well ... I'm at the point where I think these guys are not zoned in or responding to SP anymore. Not that Drew was right, but man it seems that everyone on this team is doing their own thing. We are not on the same page offensively, defensively or special teams . leilung, Beastmode and burningmetal like this.

11-16-2015, 08:09 AM	#4
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Snead 1 target? Originally Posted by K Major Metal, I saw that as well ... I'm at the point where I think these guys are not zoned in or responding to SP anymore. Not that Drew was right, but man it seems that everyone on this team is doing their own thing. We are not on the same page offensively, defensively or special teams . Exactly, man. That's what made that whole situation unsettling for me. The play was obviously ridiculous, but we see a lot of those. We're Saints fans. It was all about the fact that there was no respect there. And from the face of the franchise, no less. I'm not saying that Brees hates Payton, or that he's going to do that on every play from here on out. But you could see a disconnect beyond just the play, itself. You couple that with all the other squabbling going on, and the fact that Browner is continuously allowed to run amuck, both on the field and off it. It's not pretty. jnormand and K Major like this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

11-16-2015, 08:40 PM	#5
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,891	Re: Snead 1 target? Originally Posted by K Major Metal, I saw that as well ... I'm at the point where I think these guys are not zoned in or responding to SP anymore. Not that Drew was right, but man it seems that everyone on this team is doing their own thing. We are not on the same page offensively, defensively or special teams . That was one play at the end of the game where it really didn't make difference whether we went for it or not our defense was going to give up a score regardless bad throw bad protection that play is really being given to much attention

11-17-2015, 07:41 AM	#6
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Snead 1 target? Originally Posted by Rell&Gold That was one play at the end of the game where it really didn't make difference whether we went for it or not our defense was going to give up a score regardless bad throw bad protection that play is really being given to much attention It matters, because it looked pathetic on all parts. There's no reason to go for it down by 30 with 9 minutes left, from that part of the field. The fact that he waved off his own coach and the coach just let it happen... Who exactly runs this team? And then, for all Drew's heroic intentions, he throws the dumbest pass possible. It's a combination of how the whole game, and season have gone leading into one of the dumbest plays of the year, in which the player made himself the coach, that makes it stand out. Nobody is saying "man, that play was so stupid. It cost us the game". It's not about whether or not it made a difference in the outcome. It's how bad of a look it gave the team, after everything that had already happened. That's why I personally took exception to that play. K Major likes this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

11-17-2015, 08:53 AM	#7
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Snead 1 target? Originally Posted by Rell&Gold That was one play at the end of the game where it really didn't make difference whether we went for it or not our defense was going to give up a score regardless bad throw bad protection that play is really being given to much attention but didn't that play to coleman remind you of colston 10 years ago.catch and slip for five more.

11-16-2015, 08:01 AM	#8
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11-16-2015, 09:19 AM	#9
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11-16-2015, 09:40 AM	#10
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