Black Monday

Rugby Saint II · 11-16-2015, 02:52 PM

The lady stocking shelves at the grocery store just told me that RR won't be here next week. So, there's that.

Barry from MS · 11-16-2015, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Problem is still in-house with the organization...

We stated we were changing personnel, base front and after drafting:

NT John Jenkins (Two picks to get him)
OLB Stephone Anthony (Drafted, Prototype 3-4 ILB, Outstanding Player, Got him running sideline-to-sideline as a 4-3 MLB)
OLB Hau'oli Kikaha (Drafted, Outstanding Player, Looked Even Better in 3-4 front in preseason)

So WTF did we switch back to a 4-3 this season?!?

Rob Ryan was brought in to install a 3-4 and yet we have a NT lose 50+ pounds (Jenkins) to play a 3-tech?!?

This above is awful for developing talent & continuity with any defense. Then you have Browner with that "C" on his chest with corners Breaux & Swann in their 1st year. What are we trying to accomplish on defense?

If anyone thinks this is all Rob Ryan for this historically terrible defense, I think it's the "can't see the forest for the trees" syndrome. Sometimes we get so focused on Ryan that we forget everything that led up to this point.

Euphoria · 11-16-2015, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by Barry from MS

This above is awful for developing talent & continuity with any defense. Then you have Browner with that "C" on his chest with corners Breaux & Swann in their 1st year. What are we trying to accomplish on defense?

If anyone thinks this is all Rob Ryan for this historically terrible defense, I think it's the "can't see the forest for the trees" syndrome. Sometimes we get so focused on Ryan that we forget everything that led up to this point.

Its not just RR... We do need to clean house on the D side of the ball. Kick them all out but you start with the DC... you let your next one make some changes.

Rell&Gold · 11-16-2015, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

I don't like laying all this at Rob Ryan's feet - to do so is a mistake...

Problem is still in-house with the organization...

We stated we were changing personnel, base front and after drafting:

NT John Jenkins (Two picks to get him)
OLB Ronald Powell (Drafted, since released)
OLB Parys Halralson (Signed, Tried to convert him to DE, should have saved the trouble and just cut him)
OLB Stephone Anthony (Drafted, Prototype 3-4 ILB, Outstanding Player, Got him running sideline-to-sideline as a 4-3 MLB)
OLB Hau'oli Kikaha (Drafted, Outstanding Player, Looked Even Better in 3-4 front in preseason)
LB Dannel Ellerbe (Signed, Best years were in a 3-4 front)

So WTF did we switch back to a 4-3 this season?!?

Rob Ryan was brought in to install a 3-4 and yet we have a NT lose 50+ pounds (Jenkins) to play a 3-tech?!?

Why did we sign Williams, who, at his age should be standing off the edge as a 3-4 DE/DT and we're counting on him as a pass rusher?!?

Defensive Decisions by committee are why we are, where we are on defense and this team is sucking big time...

Only reason why I want to see Ryan go is so we can see the problem will still be there and they'll be no hiding it...

Entire Defensive Staff will go, though I'd give the secondary another shot because you can't expect them to cover with no, none, pass rush...

Unless, of course, they recommended signing Browner, then they'd have to go with the other kids...

I approve this message Jean

WillSaints81 · 11-16-2015, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by RaginCajun83

Problems can't be fixed until Allen, Vitt and Johnson are gone. It's time for Payton's buddies to go and get some real coaching in here

Well that's not going to happen, so get over it. Payton needs those yes men in the future. He's not going to be with us forever.

Mr.Riaton · 11-16-2015, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

Well that's not going to happen, so get over it. Payton needs those yes men in the future. He's not going to be with us forever.

There's no reason to believe he won't get them back later on down the road. Its not like GMs will be jumping out their seats to get them to come coach their players.

SloMotion · 11-16-2015, 09:20 PM

Originally Posted by MaggieMayTB

Monday will be ugly.

RR is gone.

My prediction, first time I felt it deep and it will happen.
And RR is not alone....

Nailed it! Now, how 'bout some Powerball numbers?

vpheughan · 11-16-2015, 09:27 PM

The "No Plan" plan is back in effect!

MaggieMayTB · 11-16-2015, 09:58 PM

Originally Posted by SloMotion

Nailed it! Now, how 'bout some Powerball numbers?

Sorry.
I keep those numbers to myself.
I just don't feel like filling out those little circles with a No.2 pencil.
Then the tax burden....and all those guys I dumped crawling out of the woodwork with reports of illegitimate children I forgot I had and never supported suing me.

11-16-2015, 02:52 PM	#31
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: Black Monday The lady stocking shelves at the grocery store just told me that RR won't be here next week. So, there's that. WillSaints81 likes this.

11-16-2015, 03:25 PM	#32
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Black Monday Originally Posted by jeanpierre Problem is still in-house with the organization... We stated we were changing personnel, base front and after drafting: NT John Jenkins (Two picks to get him) OLB Stephone Anthony (Drafted, Prototype 3-4 ILB, Outstanding Player, Got him running sideline-to-sideline as a 4-3 MLB) OLB Hau'oli Kikaha (Drafted, Outstanding Player, Looked Even Better in 3-4 front in preseason) So WTF did we switch back to a 4-3 this season?!? Rob Ryan was brought in to install a 3-4 and yet we have a NT lose 50+ pounds (Jenkins) to play a 3-tech?!? This above is awful for developing talent & continuity with any defense. Then you have Browner with that "C" on his chest with corners Breaux & Swann in their 1st year. What are we trying to accomplish on defense? If anyone thinks this is all Rob Ryan for this historically terrible defense, I think it's the "can't see the forest for the trees" syndrome. Sometimes we get so focused on Ryan that we forget everything that led up to this point.

11-16-2015, 03:52 PM	#33
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Black Monday Originally Posted by Barry from MS This above is awful for developing talent & continuity with any defense. Then you have Browner with that "C" on his chest with corners Breaux & Swann in their 1st year. What are we trying to accomplish on defense? If anyone thinks this is all Rob Ryan for this historically terrible defense, I think it's the "can't see the forest for the trees" syndrome. Sometimes we get so focused on Ryan that we forget everything that led up to this point. Its not just RR... We do need to clean house on the D side of the ball. Kick them all out but you start with the DC... you let your next one make some changes.

11-16-2015, 04:16 PM	#34
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,887	Re: Black Monday Originally Posted by jeanpierre I don't like laying all this at Rob Ryan's feet - to do so is a mistake... Problem is still in-house with the organization... We stated we were changing personnel, base front and after drafting: NT John Jenkins (Two picks to get him) OLB Ronald Powell (Drafted, since released) OLB Parys Halralson (Signed, Tried to convert him to DE, should have saved the trouble and just cut him) OLB Stephone Anthony (Drafted, Prototype 3-4 ILB, Outstanding Player, Got him running sideline-to-sideline as a 4-3 MLB) OLB Hau'oli Kikaha (Drafted, Outstanding Player, Looked Even Better in 3-4 front in preseason) LB Dannel Ellerbe (Signed, Best years were in a 3-4 front) So WTF did we switch back to a 4-3 this season?!? Rob Ryan was brought in to install a 3-4 and yet we have a NT lose 50+ pounds (Jenkins) to play a 3-tech?!? Why did we sign Williams, who, at his age should be standing off the edge as a 3-4 DE/DT and we're counting on him as a pass rusher?!? Defensive Decisions by committee are why we are, where we are on defense and this team is sucking big time... Only reason why I want to see Ryan go is so we can see the problem will still be there and they'll be no hiding it... Entire Defensive Staff will go, though I'd give the secondary another shot because you can't expect them to cover with no, none, pass rush... Unless, of course, they recommended signing Browner, then they'd have to go with the other kids... I approve this message Jean

11-16-2015, 08:16 PM	#35
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Black Monday Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 Problems can't be fixed until Allen, Vitt and Johnson are gone. It's time for Payton's buddies to go and get some real coaching in here Well that's not going to happen, so get over it. Payton needs those yes men in the future. He's not going to be with us forever.

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11-16-2015, 08:38 PM	#36
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,264	Re: Black Monday Originally Posted by WillSaints81 Well that's not going to happen, so get over it. Payton needs those yes men in the future. He's not going to be with us forever. There's no reason to believe he won't get them back later on down the road. Its not like GMs will be jumping out their seats to get them to come coach their players.

11-16-2015, 09:20 PM	#37
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: Black Monday Originally Posted by MaggieMayTB Monday will be ugly. RR is gone. My prediction, first time I felt it deep and it will happen. And RR is not alone.... Nailed it! Now, how 'bout some Powerball numbers? MaggieMayTB likes this.

11-16-2015, 09:27 PM	#38
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,525	Re: Black Monday The "No Plan" plan is back in effect!
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11-16-2015, 09:58 PM	#39
MaggieMayTB Site Donor Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Franklin, Wisconsin (knee deep in melted cheese sauce) Posts: 615 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Black Monday Originally Posted by SloMotion Nailed it! Now, how 'bout some Powerball numbers? Sorry. I keep those numbers to myself. I just don't feel like filling out those little circles with a No.2 pencil. Then the tax burden....and all those guys I dumped crawling out of the woodwork with reports of illegitimate children I forgot I had and never supported suing me. RaginCajun83 and SloMotion like this.

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