Brooks turnovers. How does he stack up?

saintswhodi · 02-24-2005, 09:38 AM

Nice breakdown SF, but my point is this. We only needed ONE more win to make the playoffs. Not a 5-6 point swing in average given up, but one more game. Now I posted in another thread how our defense held teams to minimal points in the first quarter repeatedly, for an average through all games of 7.3 points given up in the first quarter. Know what our average scoring was for our offense in the first quarter? Less than 3 points. I even gave drive charts from two different games. In the Arizona game, the Saints DID NOT SCORE on 10 of 11 possessions. TEN OF ELEVEN?!?!?!?!?!? That is horrendous. Against winless Arizona? In the Seattle game, The defense gave them the ball 3 times in the first half and only had given up 14 points by the half. Know how many we had? 7 points. Two games where had the offense done ANYTHING we could have and should have won. But they didn\'t. I am not gonna place it all on Brooks, although a good bit of it should be since in the AZ game he had another red zone TO, this one in the first quarter. It\'s on the whole offense. McCarthy, Brooks, Deuce, the line. We can want a top 10 D all our life but we don\'t have the talent to be. WE DO have the talent to be DECENT, if not for an anemic more often than not offense. That was my point. So when you pointed out your numbers, I just wanted to know how much culpability was on Brooks AND the offense for giving up those points. You don\'t have to research it even though it would have been interesting to know since I know two specific instances this year alone. A better offense would have equaled a better defense, no doubt in my mind. But ti\'s all good.

Also, to answer your question about another vet QB, I don\'t know. I think a good bit of the blame should fall on McCarthy and that stupid two tight end offense, which Deuce openly complained about before the season. They should have stuck to what they know. I do feel over the course of the season a vet QB who doesn\'t committ Brooks\' mistakes could have gotten us that one more win to make the playoffs though. I think we could have gotten that kind of difference. Look at the Minn game. The D held them to 7 points in the 1st quarter. Our O, ZERO POINTS. So while people want to balem the D for not holding them late, how about the O for not taking advantage of Minny\'s poor defense early?

Brooks is also culpable in that game. He threw a red zone interception that led to a 60 yard runback. Then Culpepper threw a 43 yard TD to Moss on the resulting drive.

Both units screwed up, not just Brooks who threw the INT, but the defense too who gave up the TD.

I think this is where we mainly part ways though. Look how nonchalantly you are able to brush off another red zone turnover. If you are sitting on the sideline, and you watch your offense take advantage after you DID stop an opposing team, only yo see them give the ball up with no points AGAIN, how pumped are you gonna be to go back on the field? That red zone turnover takes 3 or 7 points off the board for our TEAM, and it would not have been the first time our D had seen that this season. They do not have the talent or drive to repeatedly cover these mistakes. Which is what is being asked of them and in my opinion, is WAY too much.

02-24-2005, 09:38 AM	#40
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Brooks turnovers. How does he stack up? Nice breakdown SF, but my point is this. We only needed ONE more win to make the playoffs. Not a 5-6 point swing in average given up, but one more game. Now I posted in another thread how our defense held teams to minimal points in the first quarter repeatedly, for an average through all games of 7.3 points given up in the first quarter. Know what our average scoring was for our offense in the first quarter? Less than 3 points. I even gave drive charts from two different games. In the Arizona game, the Saints DID NOT SCORE on 10 of 11 possessions. TEN OF ELEVEN?!?!?!?!?!? That is horrendous. Against winless Arizona? In the Seattle game, The defense gave them the ball 3 times in the first half and only had given up 14 points by the half. Know how many we had? 7 points. Two games where had the offense done ANYTHING we could have and should have won. But they didn\'t. I am not gonna place it all on Brooks, although a good bit of it should be since in the AZ game he had another red zone TO, this one in the first quarter. It\'s on the whole offense. McCarthy, Brooks, Deuce, the line. We can want a top 10 D all our life but we don\'t have the talent to be. WE DO have the talent to be DECENT, if not for an anemic more often than not offense. That was my point. So when you pointed out your numbers, I just wanted to know how much culpability was on Brooks AND the offense for giving up those points. You don\'t have to research it even though it would have been interesting to know since I know two specific instances this year alone. A better offense would have equaled a better defense, no doubt in my mind. But ti\'s all good. Also, to answer your question about another vet QB, I don\'t know. I think a good bit of the blame should fall on McCarthy and that stupid two tight end offense, which Deuce openly complained about before the season. They should have stuck to what they know. I do feel over the course of the season a vet QB who doesn\'t committ Brooks\' mistakes could have gotten us that one more win to make the playoffs though. I think we could have gotten that kind of difference. Look at the Minn game. The D held them to 7 points in the 1st quarter. Our O, ZERO POINTS. So while people want to balem the D for not holding them late, how about the O for not taking advantage of Minny\'s poor defense early? Brooks is also culpable in that game. He threw a red zone interception that led to a 60 yard runback. Then Culpepper threw a 43 yard TD to Moss on the resulting drive. Both units screwed up, not just Brooks who threw the INT, but the defense too who gave up the TD. I think this is where we mainly part ways though. Look how nonchalantly you are able to brush off another red zone turnover. If you are sitting on the sideline, and you watch your offense take advantage after you DID stop an opposing team, only yo see them give the ball up with no points AGAIN, how pumped are you gonna be to go back on the field? That red zone turnover takes 3 or 7 points off the board for our TEAM, and it would not have been the first time our D had seen that this season. They do not have the talent or drive to repeatedly cover these mistakes. Which is what is being asked of them and in my opinion, is WAY too much.