Why trade Horn?

kevinn1972 · 02-22-2005, 04:44 PM

I don't understand why there are so many proponents for trading Joe Horn. Yeah, the guy's a jackass, but I tell you what, he hasn't degraded his teammates, he doesn't show up to camp out of shape, and he flat plays on Sundays. I know he's getting a little up there in age, but I'm telling you, if we get rid of the most consistent performer we've had in the last 5 years, it will just be another move that will bolster the reasons for the top free agents in the NFL not to come here. They guy has been lights out 4 of the past 5 years. I really think he's the kind of guy that's going to play hard wherever he is. I'd rather him do it here for another 3 years than somewhere else.

TayTay · 02-22-2005, 05:59 PM

I\'m not sure what you\'ve been reading, but I\'ve seen maybe 2 people that think trading horn is a good idea.
This would be the complete opposite of what our team needs.
If we trade Horn the Management is saying to all of us that they do not care about winning.
This would be a major step backward for our team.

It would not at all suprise me if the saints trade him.

saintswhodi · 02-22-2005, 06:15 PM

Um, the Vikes talked about trading Randy Moss. The 49ers allowed TO to go to the Eagles. This is football, not I don\'t wanna see my favorite player go. Joe is getting older, which is the ONLY reason I cam see for trading him. If he had a contract for another two years, I would be all for keeping him another year. But this is the last year. That\'s why I suggested getting Coles, who is a pro bowl receiver himself, and 7 years younger than Joe. We are NOT in a position to make a Superbowl run next year, why strap ourselves with a long contract for Joe for the next 4 years, when he will be almost 40. What if he doesn\'t wanna retire at that point and we have to trade him and take a cap hit?

LKelley67 · 02-22-2005, 07:30 PM

i\'m not for moving joe especially. if it translates to younger and/or cheaper with as much production tho it should be considered. learn the realities of the cap. do you know the titans are still obligated to 4mil cap to eddie george for this coming season? dallas and sf were the first power teams decimated in the process of cap education. the redskins are still hurting by overpaying for star but declining veterans. it\'s all about bang for the buck. thus a lawyer milloy or ty law, among the elite at thier positions, are shown the door if they cost more than they can produce. that is why shrewd front office people like scott pioli (ne vp)are having incredible offers made to them.

as far as the team in general, when you have a stretch of 7-9, 9-7, 8-8, and 8-8 with no playoffs and is labeled the most underachieving team from pundits across the country, then i do think overhaul can be appropriate. remember brady was a cinderella story to start with. the veteran leader bledsoe was moved as soon as a younger, cheaper, and still only rookie looked like he could do the job. bettis had to take major paycut to stay in pitt. john lynch and warren sapp, two loved and vital cogs to a world championship team, had to go for cap management.

i\'d love to see joe here if things turn brighter and the team contends. but just as much as the team taking care of him, he will have to take care of the team in salary structure ala rod smith in denver.

Euphoria · 02-22-2005, 08:15 PM

I would hate to get rid of Horn, still productive, still a leader... Coles is a stud. I am all for getting Coles but not to sure I like getting him over Coles. Horn, Stallworth, Coles???

Saint_LB · 02-22-2005, 09:26 PM

This just in from the Skills Competion ...Horn just crossed the finish line in the 40-yd. dash competition. :facesjump:

4DSaints · 02-23-2005, 08:42 AM

Good one LB!! Rumor has it Joe stopped in his dash to make a phone call to his agent.

We don\'t want to lose Horn but business is business, especially when it comes to volatile, show-boating wide receivers who think they are worth more than they are.

SPEED MATTERS!

kevinn1972 · 02-23-2005, 10:45 AM

The reason I want to keep Joe is we need to accept our tradition. Not we would like our tradition to be but what it has evolved to become. The tradition of the New Orleans Saints is that the organization is a loser. Plain and simple. We can try to church it up all we want, but there it is. At some point this team has to start DEMANDING excellence from everyone in the organization. The way I see it, Joe Horn, though he is a loudmouth, has been excellent since he\'s gotten here. He makes the tough catches, plays injured, you don\'t hear of any off field problems with him. The only problem with him is that he\'s a big mouth. At some point this organization has to reward excellence and rid itself of subpar performers.

We can\'t be compared with New England because they have a couple of things we don\'t. First off, players want to go their because they know there\'s a good chance of getting a ring before they retire if they go there. Second, Belichick is now widely considered to be among the best coaches in the history of the league now. That demands respect. And the demand for excellence throughout that entire organization has gotten the point that it is almost self-sustaining. We don\'t have any of these things.

Now, I believe that getting rid of Joe shows that we don\'t reward excellence. I mean, cmon, friggin Sullivan\'s still on the roster eatin up money AND the snack bar. Stinchcombe hasn\'t done anything either. Joe Horn has played whenever this team needs him. In short, he\'s been excellent. When does this team start rewarding THAT?

Saint_LB · 02-23-2005, 10:55 AM

The reason I want to keep Joe is we need to accept our tradition. Not we would like our tradition to be but what it has evolved to become. The tradition of the New Orleans Saints is that the organization is a loser. Plain and simple. We can try to church it up all we want, but there it is. At some point this team has to start DEMANDING excellence from everyone in the organization. The way I see it, Joe Horn, though he is a loudmouth, has been excellent since he\'s gotten here. He makes the tough catches, plays injured, you don\'t hear of any off field problems with him. The only problem with him is that he\'s a big mouth. At some point this organization has to reward excellence and rid itself of subpar performers.

We can\'t be compared with New England because they have a couple of things we don\'t. First off, players want to go their because they know there\'s a good chance of getting a ring before they retire if they go there. Second, Belichick is now widely considered to be among the best coaches in the history of the league now. That demands respect. And the demand for excellence throughout that entire organization has gotten the point that it is almost self-sustaining. We don\'t have any of these things.

Now, I believe that getting rid of Joe shows that we don\'t reward excellence. I mean, cmon, friggin Sullivan\'s still on the roster eatin up money AND the snack bar. Stinchcombe hasn\'t done anything either. Joe Horn has played whenever this team needs him. In short, he\'s been excellent. When does this team start rewarding THAT?

I agree with this, totally. I may joke about his speed, or lack of, but that\'s all it is...a joke. Horn leaves everything on the field every time, and is probably the best receiver this organizaation has ever had. Sorry Danny A...but Horn brings just a little bit more to the table. I may not be too crazy about his antics or comments...especially the one about the fans and moving the team if we don\'t get in line, but it is a lot easier to take when the guy goes out there and gives it all up no matter what.

Euphoria · 02-23-2005, 10:58 AM

Geez.
Does anyone see anything wrong with a little show-boating??? I don\'t. So what a player adds a little excitement to a game... big freakin\' deal! As long as you are into the game and produce for the team, let me add as well a team player.
As long as its not in the face of a player and outright flaunting in the face or near proximity of an opponet, then is all good.

02-22-2005, 04:44 PM	#1
kevinn1972 Registered Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Wichita Falls, TX Posts: 71	Why trade Horn? I don't understand why there are so many proponents for trading Joe Horn. Yeah, the guy's a jackass, but I tell you what, he hasn't degraded his teammates, he doesn't show up to camp out of shape, and he flat plays on Sundays. I know he's getting a little up there in age, but I'm telling you, if we get rid of the most consistent performer we've had in the last 5 years, it will just be another move that will bolster the reasons for the top free agents in the NFL not to come here. They guy has been lights out 4 of the past 5 years. I really think he's the kind of guy that's going to play hard wherever he is. I'd rather him do it here for another 3 years than somewhere else.

02-22-2005, 05:59 PM	#2
TayTay 100th Post Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 118	Why trade Horn? I\'m not sure what you\'ve been reading, but I\'ve seen maybe 2 people that think trading horn is a good idea. This would be the complete opposite of what our team needs. If we trade Horn the Management is saying to all of us that they do not care about winning. This would be a major step backward for our team. It would not at all suprise me if the saints trade him.
TayTay 100th Post Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 118

02-22-2005, 06:15 PM	#3
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Why trade Horn? Um, the Vikes talked about trading Randy Moss. The 49ers allowed TO to go to the Eagles. This is football, not I don\'t wanna see my favorite player go. Joe is getting older, which is the ONLY reason I cam see for trading him. If he had a contract for another two years, I would be all for keeping him another year. But this is the last year. That\'s why I suggested getting Coles, who is a pro bowl receiver himself, and 7 years younger than Joe. We are NOT in a position to make a Superbowl run next year, why strap ourselves with a long contract for Joe for the next 4 years, when he will be almost 40. What if he doesn\'t wanna retire at that point and we have to trade him and take a cap hit?

02-22-2005, 07:30 PM	#4
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	Why trade Horn? i\'m not for moving joe especially. if it translates to younger and/or cheaper with as much production tho it should be considered. learn the realities of the cap. do you know the titans are still obligated to 4mil cap to eddie george for this coming season? dallas and sf were the first power teams decimated in the process of cap education. the redskins are still hurting by overpaying for star but declining veterans. it\'s all about bang for the buck. thus a lawyer milloy or ty law, among the elite at thier positions, are shown the door if they cost more than they can produce. that is why shrewd front office people like scott pioli (ne vp)are having incredible offers made to them. as far as the team in general, when you have a stretch of 7-9, 9-7, 8-8, and 8-8 with no playoffs and is labeled the most underachieving team from pundits across the country, then i do think overhaul can be appropriate. remember brady was a cinderella story to start with. the veteran leader bledsoe was moved as soon as a younger, cheaper, and still only rookie looked like he could do the job. bettis had to take major paycut to stay in pitt. john lynch and warren sapp, two loved and vital cogs to a world championship team, had to go for cap management. i\'d love to see joe here if things turn brighter and the team contends. but just as much as the team taking care of him, he will have to take care of the team in salary structure ala rod smith in denver.

02-22-2005, 08:15 PM	#5
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Why trade Horn? I would hate to get rid of Horn, still productive, still a leader... Coles is a stud. I am all for getting Coles but not to sure I like getting him over Coles. Horn, Stallworth, Coles???

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02-22-2005, 09:26 PM	#6
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	Why trade Horn? This just in from the Skills Competion ...Horn just crossed the finish line in the 40-yd. dash competition. :facesjump:
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02-23-2005, 08:42 AM	#7
4DSaints Registered Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 35	Why trade Horn? Good one LB!! Rumor has it Joe stopped in his dash to make a phone call to his agent. We don\'t want to lose Horn but business is business, especially when it comes to volatile, show-boating wide receivers who think they are worth more than they are. SPEED MATTERS!
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02-23-2005, 10:45 AM	#8
kevinn1972 Registered Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Wichita Falls, TX Posts: 71	Why trade Horn? The reason I want to keep Joe is we need to accept our tradition. Not we would like our tradition to be but what it has evolved to become. The tradition of the New Orleans Saints is that the organization is a loser. Plain and simple. We can try to church it up all we want, but there it is. At some point this team has to start DEMANDING excellence from everyone in the organization. The way I see it, Joe Horn, though he is a loudmouth, has been excellent since he\'s gotten here. He makes the tough catches, plays injured, you don\'t hear of any off field problems with him. The only problem with him is that he\'s a big mouth. At some point this organization has to reward excellence and rid itself of subpar performers. We can\'t be compared with New England because they have a couple of things we don\'t. First off, players want to go their because they know there\'s a good chance of getting a ring before they retire if they go there. Second, Belichick is now widely considered to be among the best coaches in the history of the league now. That demands respect. And the demand for excellence throughout that entire organization has gotten the point that it is almost self-sustaining. We don\'t have any of these things. Now, I believe that getting rid of Joe shows that we don\'t reward excellence. I mean, cmon, friggin Sullivan\'s still on the roster eatin up money AND the snack bar. Stinchcombe hasn\'t done anything either. Joe Horn has played whenever this team needs him. In short, he\'s been excellent. When does this team start rewarding THAT?
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02-23-2005, 10:55 AM	#9
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	Why trade Horn? The reason I want to keep Joe is we need to accept our tradition. Not we would like our tradition to be but what it has evolved to become. The tradition of the New Orleans Saints is that the organization is a loser. Plain and simple. We can try to church it up all we want, but there it is. At some point this team has to start DEMANDING excellence from everyone in the organization. The way I see it, Joe Horn, though he is a loudmouth, has been excellent since he\'s gotten here. He makes the tough catches, plays injured, you don\'t hear of any off field problems with him. The only problem with him is that he\'s a big mouth. At some point this organization has to reward excellence and rid itself of subpar performers. We can\'t be compared with New England because they have a couple of things we don\'t. First off, players want to go their because they know there\'s a good chance of getting a ring before they retire if they go there. Second, Belichick is now widely considered to be among the best coaches in the history of the league now. That demands respect. And the demand for excellence throughout that entire organization has gotten the point that it is almost self-sustaining. We don\'t have any of these things. Now, I believe that getting rid of Joe shows that we don\'t reward excellence. I mean, cmon, friggin Sullivan\'s still on the roster eatin up money AND the snack bar. Stinchcombe hasn\'t done anything either. Joe Horn has played whenever this team needs him. In short, he\'s been excellent. When does this team start rewarding THAT? I agree with this, totally. I may joke about his speed, or lack of, but that\'s all it is...a joke. Horn leaves everything on the field every time, and is probably the best receiver this organizaation has ever had. Sorry Danny A...but Horn brings just a little bit more to the table. I may not be too crazy about his antics or comments...especially the one about the fans and moving the team if we don\'t get in line, but it is a lot easier to take when the guy goes out there and gives it all up no matter what.
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02-23-2005, 10:58 AM	#10
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Why trade Horn? Geez. Does anyone see anything wrong with a little show-boating??? I don\'t. So what a player adds a little excitement to a game... big freakin\' deal! As long as you are into the game and produce for the team, let me add as well a team player. As long as its not in the face of a player and outright flaunting in the face or near proximity of an opponet, then is all good.