GumboBC

So much has been made on this board regarding AB's turnovers. Some say he's regressed. Here ya go boys. I'm going to give you the FACTS and let some of you chew on this for a while!!


Aaron Brooks interceptions: 16
Trent Green interceptions: 17
Brett Favre interceptions: 17
Matt Hasselbeck interceptions: 15
Tom Brady interceptions: 14
Mark Bulger interceptions: 14
Jake Delhomme interceptions: 14

Aaron Brooks fublems lost: 2
Jake Delhomme fumbles lost: 5
Tom Brady fumbles lost: 5
Trent Green fumbles lost: 4
Matt Hasselbeck fumbles lost: 1
Brett Favre total fumbles lost: 1

Aaron Brooks total turnovers: 18
Brett Favre total turnovers: 18
Jake Delhomme total turnovers: 19
Tom Brady total turnovers: 19
Trent Green total turnovers: 21
Matt Haselbeck total turnovers: 16

papz

The only real problem with AB is the first quarter and goal line situations. He tends to go three and out and fumble on the 1 yard line one too many times. Talent, ability, blah blah and all that good stuff, but he needs to concentrate better. He has too many mental lapses and I think with Sheppard simplifying the offense, he should improve. I mean he puts up good numbers every year, just cut down on stupid mistakes.

I swear if we ever managed to get 7 points in the first quarter, we\'d become that high powered offense like a couple of years ago with McCarthy and Brooks at the helm.

Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.

All little common sense goes a long way.

GumboBC

I think the goal line problems AB has is a complete myth. But, check it out for yourself:


1st and goal: 2TD and 0ints./ QB Rating: 84.5 / Fumbles lost = 0

2nd and goal: 5TD and 2ints/ QB Rating: 64.6 / Fumbles lost = 0

3rd down and goal: 1TD and 0ints/ QB Rating: 98.6/ Fumbles lost= 0

GumboBC

Come on Brooks\' bashers or haters. Where ya at?

I\'ve proven Brooks doesn\'t turn the ball over anymore than some of the best QBs in the NFL.

What cha got? :P

[Edited on 19/2/2005 by GumboBC]

papz

Those numbers are retarded. I\'ve watched 2 games in which Brooks fumbled on a goal line sneak. And you know what... why don\'t you go find our redzone touchdown ratios while you are at it? I\'m pretty sure you won\'t because I bet it was horrible.

GumboBC

The numbers are correct. 100% accurate. I checked and I double checked. Brooks only lost 2 fumbles all year. He also rushed for 2 TDs in goal-line situations!!

I can\'t find stats for redzone turnovers. I wish I could. I\'d like to compare him with other QBs.

Just giving ya the facts, papz.

TayTay

Those stats have at least one flaw which appears right away. Refer to the first quarter of the game against Arizona. I beleive the Saints were only down three. AB tried to sneak the ball in from the goal-line, exposed it and got it knocked away. The Cards recovered and we never regained momentum. So your facts are incorrect. Brooks had AT LEATS one fumble in the red zone this year.
Also, let\'s look at more stats.
Trent Green 25 yard backward passes to a lineman: 0
Brett Favre 25 yard backward passes to a lineman: 0
Matt Hasselbeck 25 yard backward passes to a lineman: 0
Tom Brady 25 yard backward passes to a lineman: 0
Mark Bulger 25 yard backward passes to a lineman: 0
Jake Delhomme 25 yard backward passes to a lineman: 0
Aaron Brooks 25 yard backward passes to a lineman: One to many

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papz

How many times did he fumble? 3rd and 1 4th and 1... he fumbles and turnover on downs. That did happened. Trust me there might be a lot of good, but there is also a lot of bad things. He fumbled 13 times and lost 2. Those fumbles obviously resulted in lost of down, bonehead loss of yardage, etc... which in my book is bad enough. 16 interceptions with 13 fumbles does not bold well. Like I said before, I except him under our new system to return to his OLD OLD form. Maybe if he used his legs a big more, like he did his first season here, it will also help him not make bonehead plays.

The previous season he fumbled 14 times and lost 11.

RED ZONE OFFENSIVE STATS
Team Yds per
Play Yds per
Drive Time of
Poss TD % FG % T/O % Points
SD 7.2 57 3:51 69% 20% 6% 5.5
SEA 7.0 58 3:46 62% 34% 4% 5.3
PHI 7.9 59 3:43 66% 20% 11% 5.2
KC 6.9 60 4:12 67% 15% 10% 5.2
NE 6.6 58 4:08 59% 32% 6% 5.1
IND 7.8 60 3:33 63% 22% 7% 5.1
CAR 6.8 52 3:23 60% 31% 1% 5.1
NYJ 6.9 56 4:08 59% 28% 4% 5.0
BAL 5.8 45 3:29 51% 43% 0% 4.8
GB 7.1 61 3:52 57% 26% 7% 4.8
WAS 6.0 54 4:29 53% 37% 4% 4.8
HOU 6.6 58 4:17 60% 20% 9% 4.8
MIN 7.1 66 4:32 57% 22% 10% 4.7
ATL 6.8 59 4:04 55% 30% 8% 4.7
TEN 6.6 56 3:59 55% 24% 11% 4.6
STL 6.7 65 4:39 54% 28% 9% 4.6
CIN 6.2 48 3:27 51% 33% 7% 4.6
DAL 6.2 53 4:14 52% 30% 10% 4.5
DEN 7.2 60 3:51 48% 36% 10% 4.5
NO 7.1 55 3:27 57% 19% 14% 4.5
OAK 6.9 56 3:33 50% 35% 10% 4.5
PIT 6.3 53 4:17 49% 36% 1% 4.5
SF 5.9 56 4:07 51% 33% 7% 4.5
TB 6.3 55 4:28 52% 27% 7% 4.5
BUF 5.9 44 3:20 47% 37% 6% 4.4
CLE 6.4 49 3:42 46% 39% 9% 4.4
DET 7.0 57 3:34 45% 42% 4% 4.4
NYG 6.8 55 3:50 50% 28% 11% 4.3
ARI 6.5 51 3:40 48% 29% 16% 4.2
MIA 6.0 47 3:13 47% 28% 10% 4.1
JAX 6.1 58 4:27 42% 40% 4% 4.1
CHI 5.9 46 3:26 43% 24% 21% 3.7
NFL 6.7 55 3:54 55% 29% 8% 4.7

Redzone stats for ya... league average 4.7 points per redzone chance. We are 4.5. If we cut down a couple of those fumbles and picks, we should be back up in the 5\'s easily.

Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.

All little common sense goes a long way.

TayTay

I don\'t know way it is stared out, but p***** means passes

ScottyRo

Where did you get your info, BC?