Fire Sean Payton

RaginCajun83 · 11-30-2015, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

True, but way too many people make claims based on what the see, which may or may not be an accurate assessment of the situation.

you're so right, lets keep Strief around because he only blows his assignment half the time. Even better, lets overpay Jordan and Byrd so they stay/come to New Orleans yet haven't lived up to their contracts.

I might not their assignment, but I sure as hell can tell when they screwed something up on a given play.

When did Halo let all these squirrels in the house?

NOLA54 · 11-30-2015, 10:46 PM

Is it time for Payton & Loomis to zip up their trousers and go?

jnormand · 11-30-2015, 11:19 PM

Jesus guys and gals stop it! You're acting like the Clown fans!!!

SaintFanInATLHELL · 12-01-2015, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Here's my target list.

WR:
1. Alshon Jeffrey (CHI)
2. Marvin Jones (CIN)
3. Michael Crabtree (OAK)
4. Rueben Randle (NYG)
5. Mohammed Sanu (CIN)

I believe we should sign at least two receivers next year to go along with Brandin Cooks. Cooks is a #2 or a slot. Its time we realize it. I'd take any two off that list.

Guard:
1. Brandon Brooks (HOU)
2. Kelechi Osemele (BAL)
3. Evan Mathis (DEN)

Even more then WR, we need help at the guards. Once again, we need two, bona-fide starters. There isn't a lot of help out there in the upcoming free agent pool, but we have to address the interior offensive line immediately. We have to cut Jahri Evans and Marques Colston. Brees has to take a significant pay cut, or let him go and let's see what Grayson can do. Brock Oswelier is also a free agent.

Defensively we have to decide if we're going to run a 4-3 or a 3-4 and stick to that. I believe we should go back too the 4-3. I'll bunch the defensive targets together.

Defense:
1. Jason Pierre-Paul, DE (NYG)
2. Tyrunn Walker, DE (DET)
3. Prince Amukamara, CB (NYG)
4. Janoris Jenkins, CB (STL)
5. George Iloka, S (CIN)

If the Saints could pull off those five signings, then the future would immediately brightness up on the defensive side of the ball. JPP, Walker, Foster, and Jordan is a great pass rush off the edges. Bump Kikiha and Edebali down to DE as well. You get Prince and Janoris lined up next a second year Breaux and Swann, and now the secondary is legit. Cut Browner. Cut Lewis. Cut Byrd. Bring in Iloka.

We're truly in rebuild mode. We have to acknowledge it.

OK Mr. GM, sir. Take a look at the $154 million cap number for 2016:

New Orleans Saints Salary Cap - Over the Cap

and explain exactly where the money will come from for these signings.

Who are you cutting? What is their impact on the cap?
Remember that pre June 1st cuts and trades are accelerated to the current cap year. So how many dollars are you going to add to the $14 million in dead money already in order to sign these high profile players?

Brees has a $30 million cap hit. What if he refuses to restructure? Are you going to cut or trade a HOF QB?

It really isn't as easy as playing fantasy. Long term contracts have real impacts well into the future of the signings.

SFIAH

Seer1 · 12-01-2015, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

And I'd also add that "we" don't know a fraction of what the entire coaching staff knows.

I'll bet the freaking ball boys know more than 90% of the posters here.

Judging by the W-L record and the scores, I'd bet 90% of the other teams' ball boys know more than ours...

CharityMike · 12-01-2015, 09:55 AM

Its not Payton that needs to be fired, its some of the position coach's that have to go. BUT, if Payton refuses to fire his buddies, THEN he needs to go. IMO this is the bottom line. We need a change and if he refuses to, he has to go.

Rugby Saint II · 12-01-2015, 03:25 PM

It depends. Do you want to go back to the days before Sean Payton came here? I don't. We just implemented an organizational shake up and things will look better next year after another good draft.

CharityMike · 12-01-2015, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

It depends. Do you want to go back to the days before Sean Payton came here? I don't. We just implemented an organizational shake up and things will look better next year after another good draft.

I don't think anyone does but there are other "Paytons" out there. Payton was just a "coach" when we got him. Like I said above, I don't want him to go but if he is unwilling to make a change, what choices are left? Keep doing the same crap we have been. Get some good players through draft and free agents just to not have them coached up because that's what's going to happen again if nothing is changed.

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44Champs · 12-01-2015, 08:00 PM

I'm not on the "fire SP bandwagon" yet. But I have a feeling that having a new young girlfriend has redirected his focus. He was known for spending a lot of time at the office and burning the candle on both ends - especially w living on the northshore and commuting everyday. I'm just wondering how much time he's spending at the office now compared to back then.

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44Champs · 12-01-2015, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by Seer1

Judging by the W-L record and the scores, I'd bet 90% of the other teams' ball boys know more than ours...

The Patriots's ball boys definitely know what's going on

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11-30-2015, 10:17 PM	#101
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: Fire Sean Payton Originally Posted by Danno True, but way too many people make claims based on what the see, which may or may not be an accurate assessment of the situation. you're so right, lets keep Strief around because he only blows his assignment half the time. Even better, lets overpay Jordan and Byrd so they stay/come to New Orleans yet haven't lived up to their contracts. I might not their assignment, but I sure as hell can tell when they screwed something up on a given play. When did Halo let all these squirrels in the house? TwistedTiger likes this.

11-30-2015, 10:46 PM	#102
NOLA54 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,701 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Fire Sean Payton Is it time for Payton & Loomis to zip up their trousers and go?

11-30-2015, 11:19 PM	#103
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,530	Re: Fire Sean Payton Jesus guys and gals stop it! You're acting like the Clown fans!!!

12-01-2015, 09:24 AM	#104
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,647	Re: Fire Sean Payton Originally Posted by rezburna Here's my target list. WR: 1. Alshon Jeffrey (CHI) 2. Marvin Jones (CIN) 3. Michael Crabtree (OAK) 4. Rueben Randle (NYG) 5. Mohammed Sanu (CIN) I believe we should sign at least two receivers next year to go along with Brandin Cooks. Cooks is a #2 or a slot. Its time we realize it. I'd take any two off that list. Guard: 1. Brandon Brooks (HOU) 2. Kelechi Osemele (BAL) 3. Evan Mathis (DEN) Even more then WR, we need help at the guards. Once again, we need two, bona-fide starters. There isn't a lot of help out there in the upcoming free agent pool, but we have to address the interior offensive line immediately. We have to cut Jahri Evans and Marques Colston. Brees has to take a significant pay cut, or let him go and let's see what Grayson can do. Brock Oswelier is also a free agent. Defensively we have to decide if we're going to run a 4-3 or a 3-4 and stick to that. I believe we should go back too the 4-3. I'll bunch the defensive targets together. Defense: 1. Jason Pierre-Paul, DE (NYG) 2. Tyrunn Walker, DE (DET) 3. Prince Amukamara, CB (NYG) 4. Janoris Jenkins, CB (STL) 5. George Iloka, S (CIN) If the Saints could pull off those five signings, then the future would immediately brightness up on the defensive side of the ball. JPP, Walker, Foster, and Jordan is a great pass rush off the edges. Bump Kikiha and Edebali down to DE as well. You get Prince and Janoris lined up next a second year Breaux and Swann, and now the secondary is legit. Cut Browner. Cut Lewis. Cut Byrd. Bring in Iloka. We're truly in rebuild mode. We have to acknowledge it. OK Mr. GM, sir. Take a look at the $154 million cap number for 2016: New Orleans Saints Salary Cap - Over the Cap and explain exactly where the money will come from for these signings. Who are you cutting? What is their impact on the cap? Remember that pre June 1st cuts and trades are accelerated to the current cap year. So how many dollars are you going to add to the $14 million in dead money already in order to sign these high profile players? Brees has a $30 million cap hit. What if he refuses to restructure? Are you going to cut or trade a HOF QB? It really isn't as easy as playing fantasy. Long term contracts have real impacts well into the future of the signings. SFIAH SloMotion and TwistedTiger like this.
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12-01-2015, 09:55 AM	#105
Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: Fire Sean Payton Originally Posted by Danno And I'd also add that "we" don't know a fraction of what the entire coaching staff knows. I'll bet the freaking ball boys know more than 90% of the posters here. Judging by the W-L record and the scores, I'd bet 90% of the other teams' ball boys know more than ours... Danno likes this.

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12-01-2015, 09:55 AM	#106
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: Fire Sean Payton Its not Payton that needs to be fired, its some of the position coach's that have to go. BUT, if Payton refuses to fire his buddies, THEN he needs to go. IMO this is the bottom line. We need a change and if he refuses to, he has to go. RaginCajun83 and bobdog86 like this.

12-01-2015, 03:25 PM	#107
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,718	Re: Fire Sean Payton It depends. Do you want to go back to the days before Sean Payton came here? I don't. We just implemented an organizational shake up and things will look better next year after another good draft.

12-01-2015, 04:44 PM	#108
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: Fire Sean Payton Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II It depends. Do you want to go back to the days before Sean Payton came here? I don't. We just implemented an organizational shake up and things will look better next year after another good draft. I don't think anyone does but there are other "Paytons" out there. Payton was just a "coach" when we got him. Like I said above, I don't want him to go but if he is unwilling to make a change, what choices are left? Keep doing the same crap we have been. Get some good players through draft and free agents just to not have them coached up because that's what's going to happen again if nothing is changed. Sent from my SM-N910T using Tapatalk

12-01-2015, 08:00 PM	#109
44Champs Site Donor Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,589	Re: Fire Sean Payton I'm not on the "fire SP bandwagon" yet. But I have a feeling that having a new young girlfriend has redirected his focus. He was known for spending a lot of time at the office and burning the candle on both ends - especially w living on the northshore and commuting everyday. I'm just wondering how much time he's spending at the office now compared to back then. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk RaginCajun83 likes this.
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12-01-2015, 08:09 PM	#110
44Champs Site Donor Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,589	Re: Fire Sean Payton Originally Posted by Seer1 Judging by the W-L record and the scores, I'd bet 90% of the other teams' ball boys know more than ours... The Patriots's ball boys definitely know what's going on Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk jnormand and K Major like this.
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