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02-23-2005, 04:23 PM | #61 |
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3 and outs made our defense look bad?
Our damn OFFENSE couldn\'t stop anyone.. :P [Edited on 23/2/2005 by GumboBC] |
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02-23-2005, 04:28 PM | #62 |
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Here\'s some more stats for you, Saints 12 first downs against Seattle. Here\'s the drive chart: New Orleans Saints -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- # Time Recd Time Lost Time Poss How Ball Obtained Drive Began # Play Yds Gain Yds Pen Net Yds 1st Down Last Scrm How Given Up 1 12:41 11:42 0:59 Punt NO 19 3 3 0 3 0 NO 22 Punt 2 11:09 8:05 3:04 Interception NO 29 5 8 0 8 1 NO 37 Punt 3 6:37 4:10 2:27 Fumble NO 32 6 40 0 40 1 SEA 35 Fumble 4 14:52 12:10 2:42 Kickoff NO 27 4 27 -5 22 1 NO 49 Punt 5 9:18 8:16 1:02 Punt NO 16 3 1 -12 -11 0 NO 5 Punt 6 6:38 2:54 3:44 Kickoff SEA 47 8 52 -5 47 3 *SEA 6 Touchdown 7 0:17 0:00 0:17 Punt NO 16 1 8 0 8 0 NO 16 End of Half 8 15:00 12:59 2:01 Kickoff SEA 47 3 22 -10 12 0 SEA 38 Fumble 9 11:53 9:05 2:48 Punt NO 20 5 35 0 35 2 SEA 45 Punt 10 4:45 3:40 1:05 Punt NO 16 3 3 -5 -2 0 NO 14 Interception 11 3:06 0:27 2:39 Kickoff NO 24 6 32 0 32 2 SEA 44 Punt 12 12:14 9:27 2:47 Punt NO 24 8 57 0 57 2 *SEA 19 Downs 13 4:41 3:53 0:48 Punt NO 24 3 -7 0 -7 0 NO 17 Punt -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah I can see how 7 points out of 12 possessions with 4 turnovers(including downs) helps the D. Let\'s look at another one. New Orleans Saints -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- # Time Recd Time Lost Time Poss How Ball Obtained Drive Began # Play Yds Gain Yds Pen Net Yds 1st Down Last Scrm How Given Up 1 15:00 8:52 6:08 Kickoff NO 20 11 79 0 79 4 *ARZ 1 Fumble 2 6:49 5:38 1:11 Punt NO 20 3 -1 -5 -6 0 NO 14 Punt 3 4:26 4:16 0:10 Punt NO 49 1 -14 0 -14 0 NO 49 Fumble 4 4:16 14:56 4:20 Kickoff NO 39 8 54 5 59 4 *ARZ 2 Field Goal 5 13:06 11:10 1:56 Punt NO 31 3 8 -5 3 0 NO 34 Punt 6 6:02 3:48 2:14 Fumble NO 1 4 20 0 20 1 NO 21 Punt 7 1:12 0:19 0:53 Kickoff NO 15 4 24 -10 14 1 NO 29 Punt 8 9:54 7:07 2:47 Punt NO 20 5 20 0 20 1 NO 40 Punt 9 1:29 14:54 1:35 Kickoff NO 12 3 13 -10 3 0 NO 15 Punt 10 9:44 8:12 1:32 Kickoff NO 8 3 12 -4 8 0 NO 16 Punt 11 5:02 3:52 1:10 Kickoff NO 20 5 22 -5 17 1 NO 37 Downs 12 1:54 0:00 1:54 Kickoff NO 22 6 28 5 33 2 NO 45 End of Game It\'s so clear now. Why can\'t I see that 7 punts and three turnovers on 11 possessions has NO EFFECT on the defense? I was so blind this whole time. Give me a break. I could go on and on and on, but it won\'t matter. Believe what you want. |
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3 and outs made our defense look bad?
Good. Cause if 5 possessions with a turnover to start the game helps the defense in your mind, I really can\'t say anything else. If not scoring on 10 of 11 possessions and that one score being a field goal while turning the ball over 3 times helps the defense, I guess we define bad offense differently.
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02-23-2005, 04:58 PM | #65 |
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3 and outs made our defense look bad?
Even with our offensive issues, if you look at our defense and decide the offense is to blame then yeah, we define bad differently. Aren\'t you the one complaining about making excuses? :P
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02-23-2005, 05:06 PM | #66 |
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3 and outs made our defense look bad?
After much thought (about 2-seconds) I have a theory..
Hear me out folks........ Everyone knows our defense is very bad. Yet, for SOME reason, SOME folks want the offense to take a good portion of the blame. Who do a LOT of folks think the biggest problem with our offense is? Okay, answer me this... Whose fault is it that our offense made our defense look bad? |
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02-23-2005, 05:32 PM | #68 |
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3 and outs made our defense look bad?
OK gumbo, I\'m going to go out on a limb and say
McCarthy is to blame for the offense. He knew he had a less than capable (brainwise) qb who couldn\'t audible out of a paper bag, He knew he had a serviceable backup rb in Stecker, He knew that the 2 TE formations weren\'t working and had an all pro FB in the making ready to roll, He knew he had at least 2 WR who could outrun jackels to a rotting corpse. Yet he still insisted in running a predictable, stilted, confusing offense. |
02-23-2005, 05:51 PM | #69 |
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The offense certainly didn\'t sustain enough long drives to keep the defense on the bench. And the bench is the only time our defense looked worth a damn in the first 12-games. So, if you want to blame the offense for not keeping the defense on the bench, you have a great idea. There\'s only ONE problem with that idea though: Deuce game by game: Seattle L- 16 for 57yds - San Francisco W 3 for-1yd - Deuce got injured. Arizona L - Did Not Play Tampa Bay L -21 for 102- fumbled twice and one was run back or a TD. Minnesota 18 for 78yds Oakland W 24 for 42 - Averaged 1.8 yards on 24 carries San Diego L 17 for 43yds. Denver L 13 for 42yds. Carolina 7 for 22 Dallas W 30 for 83yds - Averaged 2.8 yards on 30 carries. Tampa Bay W 25 for 89yds - Averaged 3.5 yards on 25 carries It\'s mighty hard to run time off the clock when you can\'t run the fooball. Also, that great Venturi scheme really hurt. And it\'s hard to play good defense with some of the players we had on defense. That might explain why we need to upgrade this unit. Here\'s my 3 biggest reasons why the defense sucked through the first 12-games. 1. Rick Venuri\'s scheme! 2. Deuce couldn\'t run the ball because of injury and a terrible offensive line. 3. Not enough talent at certain positions. |
02-23-2005, 06:03 PM | #70 |
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We\'re getting somewhere. 1. I NEVER said the offense didn\'t hurt the defense SOME! 2. Even though we couldn\'t run the football, it still didn\'t have a lot to do with it. Other teams, like the Dolphins, were worse at running and throwing the football and still finished in the top 10 in defense. If the Dolphins and other teams had worse offenses than ours and finished in the top 10, then we sure as heck shouldn\'t have finished anywhere near 32nd!!!!!!! [Edited on 24/2/2005 by GumboBC] |