2016 NFL Draft Prospect Thread ...............

[hagan714]

Andrew Billings? I am gun shy on DL and OL that play in or against the spread their entire college career.

Do not get me wrong the kid is a quick footed bull ox so i understand the amazement. With his athletic ability and continually in a backfield I would expect his production to be greater than it was

That brings me to my number one concern about the kid

awareness - slow in diagnosing a play and locating the ball

Add to the fact i do not expect the kid to be 6-2 I will be surprised if he is 6-1

My DT short list
R1 A'Shawn Robinson DT Alabama 6032 312 5.18
R2 Austin Johnson NT Penn State 603 325 5.27
R3 Chris Jones DT/DE Mississippi St 6045 308 5.12
R4 Vetron Butler DT LA Tech 6032 316 5.06 ?
R5 D.J. Reader DT/OG Clemson 6021 325 5.04 ?
R6
R7

My favorite bad boy

Josh Tupou, NT, Colorado 6-3 325 5.00

I would have him on my must talk to list and if the interviews go well, he has an excellent chance of being a huge steals late in the draft or as UDFA?

2017 NT watch
Josh Augusta Missouri NT 6041 335 5.10

[hagan714]

NFLPA Collegiate Bowl Roster
TCU QB Trevone Boykin headlines
By Dane Brugler | NFLDraftScout.com Senior Analyst
January 15, 2016 9:58 pm ET

Blah blah blah

Mike Thomas, WR, Southern Miss (6-1, 186) – Not to be confused with Ohio State's standout wide receiver, the Golden Eagle pass catcher actually was more productive this season than the Buckeye wideout. He has lean features, but shows terrific burst out of his routes and quick hands.

Mid to late round GEM He has more than once caught my eye. A pest of WR to a secondary. Sneaky cockroach with hands

Mekale McKay, WR, Cincinnati (6-4, 195) – Over the summer, McKay received high marks from area scouts as one of the top senior wideouts in the country. While his 2015 season didn't live up to the expectations, he has the size and ballskills to highpoint and rebound the ball over defensive backs.

I have to agree I expected more but worth keeping an eye on

Antwaun Woods, DT, USC (6-1, 320) – The Trojans' starting nose tackle, Woods isn't a rangy player, but attracts double-teams and clogs up the middle of the line of scrimmage due to his wide-bodied base. Although he's a short-area player, he's also a hustler who won't give up on plays.

Talk about a player that after the coaching change at USC started play. Heart? Priority UDFA?

Doug Middleton, DS, Appalachian State (6-0, 210) – Physically, Middleton looks like he belonged in the SEC with a strong build, long arms and speed to attack downhill. He needs to improve his take-on skills and anticipation vs. the pass, but he does offer valuable experience on special teams coverages.

You gotta love those Mr do everything types UDFA?

TCU QB Trevone Boykin headlines NFLPA Collegiate Bowl Roster - CBSSports.com

[ChrisXVI]

Hagan, I appreciate your take on Billings. Really interesting stuff. If Billings isn't the guy though how would you like to see us address the 3-technique position? A'Shawn Robinson is great but drafting him would still leave us with a gaping hole next to him. Robinson, John Jenkins and Tyeler Davison are all best suited to play the same role.

[Euphoria]

A'Shawn Robinson, DT, Alabama

[hagan714]

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Hagan, I appreciate your take on Billings. Really interesting stuff. If Billings isn't the guy though how would you like to see us address the 3-technique position? A'Shawn Robinson is great but drafting him would still leave us with a gaping hole next to him. Robinson, John Jenkins and Tyeler Davison are all best suited to play the same role.

blow of the definitions of 43 DT a bit. Look at Carolina. Carolina approach is simple and fundamentally sound. Push the pocket, overwhelm and/or occupy more than one interior blocker with each DT. meaning the RB has to pay more attention to the rush up the middle leaving the DE as a secondary assignment. More now than ever since Short's game has reached the next level. Carolina built a defense to stop the saints before the pass happy rule changes even came into effect.

Star Lotulelei, 6024 311 5.41 now at 320
we got slow lumbering beef to bad they do not demand DBL teams. Both DT need to be upgraded IMO right now.

We do not have
Kawann Short, 6027 299 5.08 now 315
The knock on Short was leg strength. Think that is a mute issue now

A'Shawn Robinson 6032 312 5.18

I see more than a pure run stuffer in him. Right now I agree his game is mostly all about power. But Like Short he needs work on developing his pass rush repertoire. But the first-step quickness and fluidity are there. I am expecting to see him to raise a few eye brows and be a bit more versatile than the media scouting reports have him pegged at. I think there is more to this kid than Nick Saban's system ha shown us.

Beauty show requirements.

Give me a (shorts numbers)
10 yard split under 1.80 (1.75)
20 Shuttle under 4.75 (4.65)
3 cone drill under 7.7 (7.55)
Broard jump greater than 8-6 (8-4)
Vertical over 30 (27)
And i say it is a mute issue.

A'Shawn Robinson should be able to handle these numbers.

Billings i see why people like him but for me it will be all about the interview and football IQ. I see a lot of him in D.J. Reader who sat out a year.

Robinson I see it coming down to him showing he has more athletic ability than we think. Even if he does not he would be an upgrade to what we have now. As would Austin Johnson Penn St. and my favorite tease of the draft Chris Jones Miss St could be the shocker.

At 12 I am still stuck on Connor Cook myself. SP and Drew guiding this kid looks like a marriage made in heaven.

[jeanpierre]

R1, S12 (Pick 12) WR LaQuon Treadwell, Ole Miss; Height: 6' 2"; Weight: 210 lbs.

Alternate: LB Leonard Floyd, Georgia; Height: 6' 3"; Weight: 232 lbs.


R2, S16 (Pick 48) FS Darian Thompson, Boise St; Height: 6' 2"; Weight: 210 lbs.

Alternate: C Ryan Kelly, Alabama; Height: 6' 4"; Weight: 297 lbs.


R3, S15 (Pick 79) LB Jordan Jenkins, Georgia; Height: 6' 2"; Weight: 253 lbs.

Alternate: C Max Tuerk, USC; Height: 6' 5", Weight: 295 lbs.


R4, S14 (Pick 110*) TE Tyler Higbee, Western Kentucky; Height: 6' 5", Weight: 240 lbs.

Alternate: OG Christian Westerman, Arizona/Auburn; Height: 6' 4", Weight: 315 lbs.


R5, S13 (Pick 141*) SS Miles Killebrew, Southern Utah; Height: 6’ 2”, Weight: 223 lbs.

Alternate: QB Kevin Hogan, Stanford; Height: 6’ 4”, Weight: 220 lbs.


R6, S12 (Pick 172*) Traded with 2015 R6 pick for R5 selection of Damian Swann


R7, S16 (Pick 208*) P Drew Kaser, Texas A & M; Height: 6' 3", Weight: 215 lbs.

Alternate: TE David Grinnage, NC State; Height: 6' 5", Weight: 265 lbs.

*To Be Adjusted Once Compensatory Picks are assigned...

[hagan714]

Sell me on pick 12 for
LB Leonard Floyd, Georgia; Height: 6' 3"; Weight: 232 lbs.

I was not up to speed on
FS Darian Thompson, Boise St; Height: 6' 2"; Weight: 210 lbs.
but now I am starting to thinking he is a solid option

Why? C Max Tuerk, USC; Height: 6' 5", Weight: 295 lbs.

? QB Kevin Hogan, Stanford; Height: 6’ 4”, Weight: 220 lbs.

Ok Hogan had a light come on this year and played extremely well but.

I still want to know if the conversion of spread QB Garrett Grayson project a failure? If so I have to take Cook if he is there. Waiting and gambling on Hogan IMO makes no sense. Cook being rated as low first is a huge steal much less at 12. He is the most polished pro ready QB in the draft and maybe more so than any QB to come out in the past 10 years. The issue he has are right up SP and Drew's alley to correct. Pull an Arron Rodgers with the kid and saints will set for years to come. I am starting to buy into this QB ideology big time this year because of Cook.

P Drew Kaser, Texas A & M; Height: 6' 3", Weight: 215 lbs. - major concern for me is the kid buckles under pressure. I am betting on UDFA

[K Major]

Originally Posted by hagan714

Sell me on pick 12 for
LB Leonard Floyd, Georgia; Height: 6' 3"; Weight: 232 lbs.

The physical tools are there no doubt but has become invisible in the two GA games I saw.

JP & Hagan, what did I miss on this prospect?

[jeanpierre]

Originally Posted by hagan714

Sell me on pick 12 for
LB Leonard Floyd, Georgia; Height: 6' 3"; Weight: 232 lbs.

I was not up to speed on
FS Darian Thompson, Boise St; Height: 6' 2"; Weight: 210 lbs.
but now I am starting to thinking he is a solid option

Why? C Max Tuerk, USC; Height: 6' 5", Weight: 295 lbs.

? QB Kevin Hogan, Stanford; Height: 6’ 4”, Weight: 220 lbs.

Ok Hogan had a light come on this year and played extremely well but.

I still want to know if the conversion of spread QB Garrett Grayson project a failure? If so I have to take Cook if he is there. Waiting and gambling on Hogan IMO makes no sense. Cook being rated as low first is a huge steal much less at 12. He is the most polished pro ready QB in the draft and maybe more so than any QB to come out in the past 10 years. The issue he has are right up SP and Drew's alley to correct. Pull an Arron Rodgers with the kid and saints will set for years to come. I am starting to buy into this QB ideology big time this year because of Cook.

P Drew Kaser, Texas A & M; Height: 6' 3", Weight: 215 lbs. - major concern for me is the kid buckles under pressure. I am betting on UDFA

Originally Posted by K Major

The physical tools are there no doubt but has become invisible in the two GA games I saw.

JP & Hagan, what did I miss on this prospect?

Reverse...

Kaser has the physical tools; A & M felt he was a lock for All-American and sent him to SEC Media Day as their kid, might have been too much with little prep, support, grooming; seems to be a theme at Texas A & M; we're paying waaaay too much for Morstead's pedestrian, inconsistent play and he's got an amazing leg and even broke Shane Lechler's record for nailing 'em inside the twenty...

Hogan fought a lot of ghosts and critics to really help Stanford make a run this season; death of his father and not going to Notre Dame as his Dad, following behind and constantly hearing he's not Andrew Luck; just saw something on film in the Stanford v. Notre Dame game that impressed me with the way he stepped up and led that team...

Note: Regarding Cook, find he disappears in big games...

Max Tuerk has great size, physical attributes; feel he could really excel in a zone blocking scheme as an interior lineman for us; he could also tutelage under Max Unger for down the road...

Completely understand the money and investment in both Byrd and Vaccaro; but the allowance in the big plays; it's time to admit the gambles were failures; have both Boise St FS Darian Thompson and SS Miles Killebrew, Southern Utah in my pick list...

They can transition to starters during the coming season and then cut ties with Byrd and Vaccaro next offseason; we've got to solve that big gaping hole in the middle of our defense; started with Anthony, finish the project on the backend...

Regard Floyd at pick 12; when I look at the current rated players and where we're picking, Treadwell, then Floyd makes the most sense; Floyd could put his hand down or rush upright; reminds me of a Pat Swilling type with his lean, elongated body type; he's got strong, violent hands to disengage blockers as Swilling had; he would also allow us the versatility to go to a 3-4; stack Kikaha behind Cam Jordan, force Cam to secure the edge and do more bull rushing and have this guy working around that edge; he's got the athleticism to cover the flats as well...

[Cruize]

1. OT Stanley, LB Ragland, DE Ogbah
2. DT Billings, DE Lawson, OLB Perry
3. OLB Calhoun, OLB Jones, OG Garnett
4. TE Williams, WR Seals-Jones, K Aguayo
5. OLB Ngakoue, K Aguayo, RB Dixon
7. WR Robinson, DT Reader, K Fairbairn

The first guy is who I took at first-pick.com with no trades choosing who was available. The site gave me a 8959 A+. Stanley can play guard and locks down 4 out of 5 spots with real talent. Evans, who had a solid year, is the weak link. I'll take that. Billings fills a need with talent. Calhoun is a pass rusher who has a high motor, was productive and was coached well. Williams fills a need and is a complete TE. Ngakoue makes plays behind the line of scrimmage and has a high motor and upside. Robinson has the size and skills. Could be a boom, and I'll take that in the 7th, or he may bust. Worth the risk.