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Coach Payton has said more on television as a guest of the ESPN talking heads than he's said in his entire tenure as Saints coach...
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...then shame on Payton for not getting the right defensive coordinator to make it work... |
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One thing I really like about the 3-4 scheme is that you don't have to rely on big, athletic defensive linemen with shelf lives of 3-4 years which are the rare breed of the specialties; you can get linebackers in the 6'2" to 6'4" range and with the depth you'll also have great special teams that can run as well... Quote:
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Buccaneers hire Brett Maxie as defensive backs coach | ProFootballTalk
Wished we could have had both Maxie working with the Safeties and Glenn with the corners... |
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Condolences to the Carmichael family...Our Prayers are with you Pete...
Pete Carmichael Sr., father of Saints offensive coordinator, dies | NOLA.com |
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Sean Payton Gives Details On the Saints Reconfigured Coaching Staff | The New Orleans Advocate — New Orleans, Louisiana
MOBILE, Ala. — Sean Payton confirmed the changes he has made on his coaching staff since the end of the regular season, which were already known. But he [B]did end the mystery surrounding one situation. When the Saints hired Dan Campbell to serve as the tight ends coach, it was widely reported he would also serve as the assistant head coach. This raised questions about Joe Vitt’s role with the team since he was previously given the title of assistant head coach. It turns out nothing will change at all. Payton said Tuesday that Vitt and Campbell will both be assistant head coaches. Vitt will be tasked with focusing on the defense, while Campbell will focus on the offense. “We typically sit in a room for a long time and go through the run and the pass,” Payton said of Campbell’s role. “Sometimes it’s not always efficient, it’s long and it’s tedious. That helps me.” The addition of Campbell is one of several moves the Saints have made this offseason. Joe Lombardi, a former New Orleans assistant and Detroit Lions offensive coordinator, is returning to coach the quarterbacks. He replaces Mike Neu, who left to become the head coach at Ball State. Dan Roushar, who coached the tight ends, will move over to coach the offensive line after Bret Ingalls was fired. Offensive assistant Kyle DeVan, who assisted on the offensive line and left to join Neu’s staff, will be replaced by Brendan Nugent. New Orleans still needs to replace offensive assistant Greg Lewis, who assisted with the wide receivers and left to take a job in Philadelphia. Payton said the team will interview some people this week. On defense, the Saints have added secondary coach Aaron Glenn and senior defensive assistant Peter Giunta. New Orleans lost its secondary coach, Wesley McGriff, to Auburn. |
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Its also why Wade Phillips employed his one gap 3-4, which is similar to a 4-3 under. It doesn't require that huge DT over the center. Quote:
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In reading Payton's comments, it would seen Dan Campbell is to make sure everything on offense is clicking; does that mean he's Pete Carmichael's boss? Does anyone have the title of Defensive Coordinator? If so, who will make the decisions moving forward re: defensive schemes and defensive play calling? Know Payton wants to keep the rest of the world out of his business, but you have to adopt contemporary conventions for even those in your own employ to stay organized... Have serious doubts about Dennis Allen as the [insert title] (defensive coordinator); sure he's seems better than Capt Rob, but Patrick Robinson was a better corner than Jason David... |
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The Rickey Jackson-led 3-4 defense never had athletic big men up front...
Neither did Pittsburgh in their last two Superbowls, nor the Ravens... You get big, cock-strong guys who can occupy space and control gaps... This allows linebackers, safties to shoot gaps and stunt from various zones... Plus, a 3-4 puts one more athletic defender vs a big lumbersome linemen on the field who can drop to coverage... And Phillips' 3-4 doesn't stay in the under mode much because he'd spend that LEO defender before the end of the 3rd quarter... Another consideration is when the Saints employed the 3-safety set, they essentially had employed the same as Carolina had when they redeployed their slow safety Thomas Davis to linebacker - it rejuvenated his career and that defense... But, Carolina is also loaded at linebacker, second only to Denver this year, and not by much... |
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Sean Payton feels ‘fortunate’ to fill coaching staff openings with blend of experience and promise | The Advocate
MOBILE, Ala. — Sean Payton descended on the Senior Bowl this week with a retooled coaching staff, flush with new faces that included big names, former players and coaches who already know how Payton likes to operate. Former Dolphins interim coach Dan Campbell, former Saints assistant and Lions offensive coordinator Joe Lombardi, former Cowboys and Saints cornerback Aaron Glenn and veteran secondary coach Peter Giunta have all joined the staff, adding fresh blood to the staff. They fill holes that opened when many of Payton’s former assistants got promotions, rather than the firings that happened at the end of last season. One spot still has to be filled — Payton will interview coaches for the offensive assistant left open by Greg Lewis getting hired as receivers coach in Philadelphia — but the Saints head coach said he likes the staff he brought to Ladd-Peebles Stadium this week...more |
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Some of my references for citing the Ravens as a 3-4 are:
2016 Baltimore Ravens Depth Chart | Ourlads.com Baltimore Ravens 2015 Depth Chart - Base 3-4 D - ESPN Depth Chart - NFL.com Baltimore Ravens Depth Chart by Position | FOX Sports Baltimore Ravens Depth Chart - NFL - CBSSports.com Ravens sport the best 3-4 front in the NFL - Baltimore Sports and Life Should Baltimore Ravens Consider Going Back To 4-3 Defense? - Baltimore Beatdown Highlighting Why the 3-4 Defense Is Your Best Bet for a Super Bowl Run | Bleacher Report Now, I'd agree that they often do adjust and run the 3-4 Okie, which looks just like the 4-3 under, but they often give their bigger, stronger defensive linemen 2 gap assignments... Note: I highlighted one of the links as there's some good commentary by Drew Brees regarding 3-4 defenses... Thought if offered interesting insight... |
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More FYI about 4-3 versus 3-4
4-3 base teams Seattle Seahawks, New England Patriots, Carolina Panthers, Cincinnati Bengals, New Orleans Saints, Minnesota Vikings, St. Louis Rams, Dallas Cowboys, Atlanta Falcons, Oakland Raiders, Jacksonville Jaguars, Detroit Lions, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Miami Dolphins, Philadelphia Eagles New York Giants. 3-4 base teams Cleveland Browns, Buffalo Bills, San Diego Chargers, Pittsburgh Steelers, Indianapolis Colts, Tennessee Titans, Denver Broncos, Houston Texans, Chicago Bears, San Francisco 49ers, Green Bay Packers, Baltimore Ravens, Arizona Cardinals, Kansas City Chiefs, New York Jets, Washington Redskins, |
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But I remember Lewis *****ing as well, but the Ravens went to that front because Ray couldn't cover the middle as he could before he got older... |
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More FYI
11 of the top 20 defenses ran a 4-3 9 of the top 20- defenses ran a 3-4 6 of the top 10 ran a 4-3 4 of the top 10 ran a 3-4 Half the playoff teams ran a 4-3. It appears their isn't a superior alignment. |
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It's the frustration of having drafted, acquired more 3-4 personnel than 4-3 and running a 4-3 because that's the only system Dennis Allen seems limited to running... |
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2016 Saints Coaching Staff Update...
Sean Payton hasn't announced hiring an assistant wide receivers coach as of 31 January... Here's where we are, at the moment... Note: New coaches in bold; Roushar, also in bold, was reassigned from TE to OL coach... Head Coach Sean Payton Director of Coaching Administration - Jason Mitchell (Personal Assistant to Head Coach) Assistant Head Coach, Linebackers Joe Vitt Assistant Head Coach, Tight Ends Dan Campbell Offensive Coordinator, Pete Carmichael Assistant Coach - Brendan Nugent Coach, Quarterbacks - Joe Lombardi Coach, Running Backs - Joel Thomas Coach, Offensive Linemen - Dan Roushar Coach, Wide Receivers - John Morton Assistant Coach, Wide Receivers - [VACANT] Senior Defensive Assistant, Dennis Allen Senior Defensive Assistant, Peter Giunta Assistant Coach - Marcus Ungaro Coach, Defensive Linemen - Bill Johnson Coach, Inside Linebackers - James Willis Coach, Outside Linebackers - Brian Young Coach, Secondary (Defensive Backs) - Aaron Glenn Special Teams Coordinator, Greg McMahon Assistant Coach - Stan Kwan Coach, Strength and Conditioning - Dan Dalrymple Assistant Coach, Strength and Conditioning - Charles Byrd Assistant Coach, Strength and Conditioning - Rob Wenning |
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Question I ask is how is our D going to get us back on top. Allen and the boys want cut it in a 4-3 or a 3-4.
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2016 Saints Coaching Staff
[UPDATED OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT]... Note: New coaches, changes in bold Head Coach Sean Payton Director of Coaching Administration - Jason Mitchell (Personal Assistant to Head Coach) Offensive Coordinator, Pete Carmichael Assistant Head Coach, Tight Ends Dan Campbell Coach, Quarterbacks - Joe Lombardi Coach, Running Backs - Joel Thomas Coach, Offensive Linemen - Dan Roushar Assistant Coach, Offensive Linemen - Brendan Nugent Coach, Wide Receivers - John Morton Assistant Coach, Wide Receivers - Ronald Curry Defensive Coordinator, Dennis Allen Assistant Head Coach, Linebackers Joe Vitt Senior Defensive Assistant, Peter Giunta Assistant Coach - Marcus Ungaro Coach, Defensive Linemen - Bill Johnson Coach, Inside Linebackers - James Willis Coach, Outside Linebackers - Brian Young Coach, Secondary (Defensive Backs) - Aaron Glenn Special Teams Coordinator, Greg McMahon Assistant Coach - Stan Kwan Coach, Strength and Conditioning - Dan Dalrymple Assistant Coach, Strength and Conditioning - Charles Byrd Assistant Coach, Strength and Conditioning - Rob Wenning |
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STAFF CHANGES
Payton detailed several staff additions and subtractions Tuesday. The team has added Dan Campbell (tight ends), Aaron Glenn (secondary), Peter Giunta (senior defensive assistant) and Joe Lombardi (quarterbacks). Dan Roushar (offensive line) coached tight ends last season; Bret Ingalls was not retained... On Campbell: “Dan, I first got to work with when I was with the Giants and we drafted him out of Texas A&M. Then, later with the Cowboys, we signed him in free agency. I’ve always followed his career, I’ve been just a huge fan. We had a short time frame in ’09 where he was with us before he retired. Just a hard worker, I think a real good teacher. He’ll come in to the tight end position. Dan Roushar will move over into the offensive line position. He’s had a ton of experience coaching the offensive line. That was a real good hire for us." On Glenn: “Aaron Glenn will come in and coach the secondary. He, too, had a brief stop at the end of his career with us. I was with Aaron with the Cowboys. (He’s) a real smart player, a guy that played a long time in this league and really has a real good understanding of the back end. He was always that guy that players gravitated to with questions while studying film. On Giunta: “Peter Giunta will be a senior defensive assistant. He’s a veteran NFL coach. I’ve never worked with Peter but I’ve competed against his teams all the way back to St. Louis, when he was with the Rams. He was the defensive coordinator in their Super Bowl season. He’s been with the Chiefs, most recently with the Giants. His experience, I think, will help us tremendously. He’ll be a real good ally for (defensive coordinator) Dennis (Allen) in regard to having seen and done a number of things. He’ll help us on the back end with third down, just one of those real sharp, veteran coaches.” Payton said he will attempt to fill the spot vacated by Lewis this week. Source: John DeShazier: Extended look at players one of many benefits of Senior Bowl for Saints |
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Getting that same uneasy feeling as I had last season with regards to the defense that we may have too many cooks in the kitchen...
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Dennis Allan is DC now isn't he? He should be able to control that unit regardless of how many assistants there are.
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Official Announcement: New Orleans Saints announce coaching staff changes and additions
New Orleans Saints Head Coach Sean Payton has announced five additions to the team’s 2016 coaching staff today... ...(excerpt on Peter Giunta) Giunta (pronounced GEN-ta) brings 34 years of coaching experience to the Saints, the last 24 in the National Football League with three Super Bowl-winning clubs. He spent nine seasons as the secondary/cornerbacks coach of the New York Giants from 2006-14. During his tenure in New York, the Salem, Mass. native was pivotal in the development of cornerbacks...Corey Webster...an eight-year starter under Giunta’s watch in New York and recorded 22 interceptions and four fumble recoveries in the regular season and postseason, including recording three takeaways in the 2007 playoffs on the way to a Super Bowl title. CB Aaron Ross, the club’s first round draft pick in 2007, was inserted into the starting lineup midway through his rookie campaign and he delivered with three interceptions, including returning one for a touchdown. Ross returned to the starting lineup in 2011 and finished tied for second on the team to Webster (six) with a career-high four picks. More recently, Giunta was instrumental in the development of CB Prince Amukamara, the team’s first round draft pick in 2011, who despite missing the last eight games with a biceps injury in 2014, set a career-high with three interceptions through the first eight contests. Prior to joining the Giants in 2006, he spent five seasons as the defensive backs coach of the Kansas City Chiefs. Giunta joined the Chiefs after spending four years (1997-2000) with the St. Louis Rams, including the last three as the club’s defensive coordinator. In 1999, Giunta’s unit led the NFL in rushing defense, tied for first in sacks, ranked second in interceptions, fourth in scoring defense and sixth in total defense for the Super Bowl XXXIV Champions... |
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Official Announcement: New Orleans Saints announce coaching staff changes and additions
New Orleans Saints Head Coach Sean Payton has announced five additions to the team’s 2016 coaching staff today... ...(excerpt on Aaron Glenn) A 15-year NFL veteran with two years of coaching experience, Glenn joins New Orleans after spending the past two seasons with the Cleveland Browns as the assistant secondary coach. While with the Browns, Glenn aided in the development of CBs Joe Haden and Buster Skrine as Cleveland was the only NFL team to have two players with at least 18 passes defensed in 2014. Glenn spent two seasons in the front office of the New York Jets as a pro personnel scout and college area scout before joining the Browns. A first round pick in 1994 out of Texas A&M, Glenn played in 205 career games with 176 starts for New York (1994-2001), Houston (2002-04), Dallas (2005-06), Jacksonville (2007), and New Orleans (2008). Glenn finished his playing career with 661 tackles, 41 interceptions, with six returned for touchdowns, 168 passes defensed, five forced fumbles and three fumble recoveries. He was named to the Pro Bowl three times... Comment: Glenn was named an All-Pro three times (1997, 1998, 2002)... |
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Official Announcement: New Orleans Saints announce coaching staff changes and additions
New Orleans Saints Head Coach Sean Payton has announced five additions to the team’s 2016 coaching staff today... ...(excerpt on Ronald Curry) Ronald Curry brings 10 years of NFL experience, seven as a player and three as a coach, to New Orleans in 2016 after spending the past three seasons (2013-15) on the staff of the San Francisco 49ers, initially as an offensive assistant and most recently as the teams’ wide receivers coach. He originally entered the NFL as a seventh-round selection (253rd overall) of the Oakland Raiders in the 2002 NFL Draft after completing a collegiate career as a dual threat athlete, quarterback and wide receiver, at the University of North Carolina. A standout basketball player as well, Curry spent two seasons as the starting point guard for the Tar Heels basketball team. In seven seasons in Oakland, he played in 76 games with 32 starts and posted career totals of 193 receptions for 2,347 yards with 13 touchdowns. |
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See's Assistant/LB coach and ST coaches
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Every DC in todays NFL knows how to run both. He's not "limited". |
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After Allen took over the reigns, he barely played Kikaha... In the Detroit game, Kikaha had a forced fumble, but only played 10 plays... |
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Kikaha play changed when Allen took over. He had more run stopping responsibility than he did under Rob.
Besides he had the ankle issues also and i wonder how much that played into it. he dropped to 10 against lions then went to 22 Jags followed by 32 against Atlanta. He does set a solid edge something Cam does not excel at. Rob Peter to pay Paul kinda thing. look forward to the day they can feed off of one another again. Vaccaro and Browner were not the best combination as back ups. Browner was a huge head ache for Kenny I am sure, despite the tackle totals. That goose egg for INT and only 5 PDs jump out at me. Little to old school SS play IMO. But how much blame can you place on him with Browner play? back on topic Kikaha production fell but Dennis is old school. stop the run first. get him some help at the second level or try a new combination back there, then i think Dennis will turn him loss again. whatever the reason it worked enough to get some Ws over those final 4 game. Kikaha is definitely better at attacking and making plays behind the line |
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Watch the game and you see a difference in his play style. with browner always chasing his assignment, Dennis did the smart thing. Limit the attack and go mostly read and react on that side of the field. This is the part of game ROB SUXED at. The only thing he could adjust was his belt to cover up his fat .... that was made clear with his statements he made after he got kicked to the curb. Dennis did what he had to, to win. |
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...and his best asset is as a pass rusher... ...and, for example, Detroit was torching the Saints... ...Why would you only play Kikaha for ten (10) snaps in the game?!? And despite limted play, Kikaha forced a fumble in those limited snaps... Why on God's Green Earth, would you not find a way to get a play maker like that on the field?!? Rob Ryan was awful at deploying and executing game time... Allen in his run, left Kikaha on the sidelines when he should have been trying to find ways to put him on the field, making plays, developing... ...It wasn't like Allen had to do much to look better than Ryan... ...My legitimate concern is that Allen is a rigid, in-the-box thinker and lacks the imagination to assess his assets/personnel and deploy a scheme that puts as many of his people on the field at one time as Coach Payton does on offense... In their limited play down the stretch with Allen at the helm, Kikaha and Edebali were as or more productive per play than any Saints defender... |
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