Saints 2016 Coaching Staff

Danno · 01-10-2016, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by Seer1

Sorry, Young is not a new face... And consider who taught him.

Ok, what has he done good or bad? Was it Vitt? Was it lack of talent? Was it the DCs scheme? How much power did he have?

The truth is that none of us know who's at fault at all.

And still to this day no one can name one single LB that got better after leaving, or a single free agent LB that got worse when they came here.

CharityMike · 01-10-2016, 11:59 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

And still to this day no one can name one single LB that got better after leaving.

Rob Ninkovich

|Mitch| · 01-11-2016, 12:04 AM

Originally Posted by CharityMike

Rob Ninkovich

To be fair; he was good for his rookie preseason; 3 sacks I believe... Injured on September 25th and waived before he ever saw the field again.

It's hard to say if he got better, because he was pretty damn good before he was injured...

Signed again in '08 from the Dolphins because we were looking at him to be a long snapper, released when a better option was found.

CharityMike · 01-11-2016, 12:09 AM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

To be fair; he was good for his rookie preseason; 3 sacks I believe... Injured on September 25th and waived before he ever saw the field again.

It's hard to say if he got better, because he was pretty damn good before he was injured...

Signed again in '08 from the Dolphins because we were looking at him to be a long snapper, released when a better option was found.

You are correct but since he said no one can name one, I couldn't resist.

|Mitch| · 01-11-2016, 12:14 AM

What ever happened to 'ole Gibbs?

jeanpierre · 01-11-2016, 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

And still to this day no one can name one single LB that got better after leaving, or a single free agent LB that got worse when they came here.

Originally Posted by CharityMike

Rob Ninkovich

I'd also add Fujita came in and looked like a world beater with the Browns...

...the Browns...

And Jonathan Casillas found a starting gig...

...it's happened...

And I'd agree with the previous post that having hired Willis (Inside Linebackers) and assigning Brian Young (Outside Linebackers) this past offseason at least shows the organization acknowledges those areas were worefully underperforming...

Now to address two other areas, the indefensible defensive line and that porous offensive line...

blackangold · 01-11-2016, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

I'd also add Fujita came in and looked like a world beater with the Browns...

...the Browns...

And Jonathan Casillas found a starting gig...

...it's happened...

And I'd agree with the previous post that having hired Willis (Inside Linebackers) and assigning Brian Young (Outside Linebackers) this past offseason at least shows the organization acknowledges those areas were worefully underperforming...

Now to address two other areas, the indefensible defensive line and that porous offensive line...

You could add Dun-bar to the list.

There is no doubt we have not added (through FA or the draft) very much talent to the position in the past, however what value does Vitt add?

Does letting Vitt go (he will be joining his son this year) add value to the team? My opinion is yes, but no one knows for sure until he's gone.

jeanpierre · 01-12-2016, 06:25 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

You could add Dun-bar to the list.

There is no doubt we have not added (through FA or the draft) very much talent to the position in the past, however what value does Vitt add?

Does letting Vitt go (he will be joining his son this year) add value to the team? My opinion is yes, but no one knows for sure until he's gone.

Until last year's draft, we've not added a linebacker of note unless it came through free agency...

Perhaps with Ireland in tow along with new specialized coaches in Willis and Young, we'll see an improvement...

Vitt had been Payton's enforcer on the staff...

Now with Payton clearly in charge of the franchise, that role may be reduced that Vitt can move on and join his son-in-law, Adam Gase, in Miami...

Seer1 · 01-11-2016, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

And still to this day no one can name one single LB that got better after leaving, or a single free agent LB that got worse when they came here.

Lofton?

jnormand · 01-11-2016, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by Seer1

Lofton?

I thought Lofton played well for us. He led the team in tackles for several years. He was a liability in coverage but he was a thumper. I liked the guy.

01-10-2016, 06:31 PM	#1
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Saints 2016 Coaching Staff Originally Posted by Seer1 Sorry, Young is not a new face... And consider who taught him. Ok, what has he done good or bad? Was it Vitt? Was it lack of talent? Was it the DCs scheme? How much power did he have? The truth is that none of us know who's at fault at all. And still to this day no one can name one single LB that got better after leaving, or a single free agent LB that got worse when they came here. jnormand and Crusader like this.

01-10-2016, 11:59 PM	#2
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: Saints 2016 Coaching Staff Originally Posted by Danno And still to this day no one can name one single LB that got better after leaving. Rob Ninkovich 44Champs likes this.

01-11-2016, 12:04 AM	#3
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Saints 2016 Coaching Staff Originally Posted by CharityMike Rob Ninkovich To be fair; he was good for his rookie preseason; 3 sacks I believe... Injured on September 25th and waived before he ever saw the field again. It's hard to say if he got better, because he was pretty damn good before he was injured... Signed again in '08 from the Dolphins because we were looking at him to be a long snapper, released when a better option was found.

01-11-2016, 12:09 AM	#4
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: Saints 2016 Coaching Staff Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| To be fair; he was good for his rookie preseason; 3 sacks I believe... Injured on September 25th and waived before he ever saw the field again. It's hard to say if he got better, because he was pretty damn good before he was injured... Signed again in '08 from the Dolphins because we were looking at him to be a long snapper, released when a better option was found. You are correct but since he said no one can name one, I couldn't resist.

01-11-2016, 12:14 AM	#5
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Saints 2016 Coaching Staff What ever happened to 'ole Gibbs?

01-11-2016, 07:38 AM	#6
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints 2016 Coaching Staff Originally Posted by Danno And still to this day no one can name one single LB that got better after leaving, or a single free agent LB that got worse when they came here. Originally Posted by CharityMike Rob Ninkovich I'd also add Fujita came in and looked like a world beater with the Browns... ...the Browns... And Jonathan Casillas found a starting gig... ...it's happened... And I'd agree with the previous post that having hired Willis (Inside Linebackers) and assigning Brian Young (Outside Linebackers) this past offseason at least shows the organization acknowledges those areas were worefully underperforming... Now to address two other areas, the indefensible defensive line and that porous offensive line...

01-11-2016, 01:32 PM	#7
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Saints 2016 Coaching Staff Originally Posted by jeanpierre I'd also add Fujita came in and looked like a world beater with the Browns... ...the Browns... And Jonathan Casillas found a starting gig... ...it's happened... And I'd agree with the previous post that having hired Willis (Inside Linebackers) and assigning Brian Young (Outside Linebackers) this past offseason at least shows the organization acknowledges those areas were worefully underperforming... Now to address two other areas, the indefensible defensive line and that porous offensive line... You could add Dun-bar to the list. There is no doubt we have not added (through FA or the draft) very much talent to the position in the past, however what value does Vitt add? Does letting Vitt go (he will be joining his son this year) add value to the team? My opinion is yes, but no one knows for sure until he's gone.

01-12-2016, 06:25 AM	#8
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints 2016 Coaching Staff Originally Posted by blackangold You could add Dun-bar to the list. There is no doubt we have not added (through FA or the draft) very much talent to the position in the past, however what value does Vitt add? Does letting Vitt go (he will be joining his son this year) add value to the team? My opinion is yes, but no one knows for sure until he's gone. Until last year's draft, we've not added a linebacker of note unless it came through free agency... Perhaps with Ireland in tow along with new specialized coaches in Willis and Young, we'll see an improvement... Vitt had been Payton's enforcer on the staff... Now with Payton clearly in charge of the franchise, that role may be reduced that Vitt can move on and join his son-in-law, Adam Gase, in Miami... Rugby Saint II likes this.

01-11-2016, 10:13 AM	#9
Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: Saints 2016 Coaching Staff Originally Posted by Danno And still to this day no one can name one single LB that got better after leaving, or a single free agent LB that got worse when they came here. Lofton?

01-11-2016, 12:33 PM	#10
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,784	Re: Saints 2016 Coaching Staff Originally Posted by Seer1 Lofton? I thought Lofton played well for us. He led the team in tackles for several years. He was a liability in coverage but he was a thumper. I liked the guy.

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