5 Saints Who Should NOT Be Back Next Season

WillSaints81 · 01-26-2016, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

Humber is a cheap backup and he will go no where. Browner will keep his roster spot because I don't think they believe freeing up 900K is worth 5.35 million in dead money. Spiller would also only free up about 800K and a 3.75 million dead money. Ellerbe would make sense because he carries no dead money and would free up about 5 million. Hawthorne carries a 4.5 million in cap hit which half would be in dead money. Colston also would make sense because cutting him would give us 2.3 million in dead money but free up over 3 million. The first cut I would make though is Morstead. A punter is not worth 4.45 million a year. He only carries 1.2 million in dead money and would free up 3.25 million.

Morstead, Hawthorne, Colston and Ellerbe would be my guess. 11.25 freed up just with those 4. If they wanna stay make them eat crow and sign at league minimum.

Plus when Brees restructures for a 9 or more million less, that's 20 million+.

RaginCajun83 · 01-25-2016, 11:50 AM

its how Spiller played in Buffalo too, this isn't a surprise. Don't know why the Saints thought it would end differently

Rugby Saint II · 01-25-2016, 02:52 PM

Honestly, I could see all of them back at TC after restructuring their deal.

jlaw8920 · 01-25-2016, 04:17 PM

If spiller were healthy, I would like to keep him. I don't have the numbers but feel like he is always injured. I say if he has a few decent games at the start of next season, we trade him and his salary to another team. The question isn't will he get hurt, its when will he get hurt.

Really like the guy and hope he stays healthy, just trying to be realistic.

WillSaints81 · 01-25-2016, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by jlaw8920

If spiller were healthy, I would like to keep him. I don't have the numbers but feel like he is always injured. I say if he has a few decent games at the start of next season, we trade him and his salary to another team. The question isn't will he get hurt, its when will he get hurt.

Really like the guy and hope he stays healthy, just trying to be realistic.

We don't need him. He's not the right fit for us and the guy needs volume to do what he wants to do, a combination of what he was under Gailey. I don't think that will work with Ingram on the team. And the screen game is no longer effective. And with that schedule we have next year it will not work.

WillSaints81 · 01-26-2016, 12:36 AM

Jenkins is expendable for someone who is better.

I think sometimes it's best to replace what's on the roster for better at a position than to just plug holes and hope for the best.

lee909 · 01-26-2016, 01:45 AM

Jenkins isnt replaceable for 700k you'll save cutting him. Even as a back up he's worth keeping. Drescher is earning more than him.
He hasn't been what i hoped he would but he's worth the money he is getting

K Major · 01-26-2016, 07:13 AM

John Jenkins might not be horrible be he certainly isn't good either. Kevin Williams who played very limited minutes had almost as many tackles as Jenkins (18 vs 23 for Jenkins)... Opposing teams avg. 4.9 yds per attempt. We were 31st vs the run. Certainly not all his fault but he started and played the most except when benched in favor of Davison (himself ineffective at times). This was his third year and I didn't see anything that made me believe he isn't anything other than a Remi Ayodele clone. We need an upgrade big time. If anything we need a pocket closing NT to help the ends.

Upgrade is needed.

Danno · 01-26-2016, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

John Jenkins might not be horrible be he certainly isn't good either. Kevin Williams who played very limited minutes had almost as many tackles as Jenkins (18 vs 23 for Jenkins)... Opposing teams avg. 4.9 yds per attempt. We were 31st vs the run. Certainly not all his fault but he started and played the most except when benched in favor of Davison (himself ineffective at times). This was his third year and I didn't see anything that made me believe he isn't anything other than a Remi Ayodele clone. We need an upgrade big time. If anything we need a pocket closing NT to help the ends.

Upgrade is needed.

Kevin Williams logged more snaps than Jenkins (564 to 538), and they both finished in our top 5 defenders.

Most of the damage running against us was outside the DT's.

Jenkins is an above average DT.

WillSaints81 · 01-26-2016, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

John Jenkins might not be horrible be he certainly isn't good either. Kevin Williams who played very limited minutes had almost as many tackles as Jenkins (18 vs 23 for Jenkins)... Opposing teams avg. 4.9 yds per attempt. We were 31st vs the run. Certainly not all his fault but he started and played the most except when benched in favor of Davison (himself ineffective at times). This was his third year and I didn't see anything that made me believe he isn't anything other than a Remi Ayodele clone. We need an upgrade big time. If anything we need a pocket closing NT to help the ends.

Upgrade is needed.

Than you, finally we agree on something.

01-26-2016, 07:26 PM	#1
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,278	Re: 5 Saints Who Should NOT Be Back Next Season Originally Posted by voodooido Humber is a cheap backup and he will go no where. Browner will keep his roster spot because I don't think they believe freeing up 900K is worth 5.35 million in dead money. Spiller would also only free up about 800K and a 3.75 million dead money. Ellerbe would make sense because he carries no dead money and would free up about 5 million. Hawthorne carries a 4.5 million in cap hit which half would be in dead money. Colston also would make sense because cutting him would give us 2.3 million in dead money but free up over 3 million. The first cut I would make though is Morstead. A punter is not worth 4.45 million a year. He only carries 1.2 million in dead money and would free up 3.25 million. Morstead, Hawthorne, Colston and Ellerbe would be my guess. 11.25 freed up just with those 4. If they wanna stay make them eat crow and sign at league minimum. Plus when Brees restructures for a 9 or more million less, that's 20 million+.

01-25-2016, 11:50 AM	#2
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: 5 Saints Who Should NOT Be Back Next Season its how Spiller played in Buffalo too, this isn't a surprise. Don't know why the Saints thought it would end differently

01-25-2016, 02:52 PM	#3
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,133	Re: 5 Saints Who Should NOT Be Back Next Season Honestly, I could see all of them back at TC after restructuring their deal.

01-25-2016, 04:17 PM	#4
jlaw8920 100th Post Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 123	Re: 5 Saints Who Should NOT Be Back Next Season If spiller were healthy, I would like to keep him. I don't have the numbers but feel like he is always injured. I say if he has a few decent games at the start of next season, we trade him and his salary to another team. The question isn't will he get hurt, its when will he get hurt. Really like the guy and hope he stays healthy, just trying to be realistic.
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01-25-2016, 04:29 PM	#5
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,278	Re: 5 Saints Who Should NOT Be Back Next Season Originally Posted by jlaw8920 If spiller were healthy, I would like to keep him. I don't have the numbers but feel like he is always injured. I say if he has a few decent games at the start of next season, we trade him and his salary to another team. The question isn't will he get hurt, its when will he get hurt. Really like the guy and hope he stays healthy, just trying to be realistic. We don't need him. He's not the right fit for us and the guy needs volume to do what he wants to do, a combination of what he was under Gailey. I don't think that will work with Ingram on the team. And the screen game is no longer effective. And with that schedule we have next year it will not work.

01-26-2016, 12:36 AM	#6
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,278	Re: 5 Saints Who Should NOT Be Back Next Season Jenkins is expendable for someone who is better. I think sometimes it's best to replace what's on the roster for better at a position than to just plug holes and hope for the best.

01-26-2016, 01:45 AM	#7
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,860 Blog Entries: 1	Re: 5 Saints Who Should NOT Be Back Next Season Jenkins isnt replaceable for 700k you'll save cutting him. Even as a back up he's worth keeping. Drescher is earning more than him. He hasn't been what i hoped he would but he's worth the money he is getting

01-26-2016, 07:13 AM	#8
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,798 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 5 Saints Who Should NOT Be Back Next Season John Jenkins might not be horrible be he certainly isn't good either. Kevin Williams who played very limited minutes had almost as many tackles as Jenkins (18 vs 23 for Jenkins)... Opposing teams avg. 4.9 yds per attempt. We were 31st vs the run. Certainly not all his fault but he started and played the most except when benched in favor of Davison (himself ineffective at times). This was his third year and I didn't see anything that made me believe he isn't anything other than a Remi Ayodele clone. We need an upgrade big time. If anything we need a pocket closing NT to help the ends. Upgrade is needed.

01-26-2016, 01:25 PM	#9
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,751	Re: 5 Saints Who Should NOT Be Back Next Season Originally Posted by K Major John Jenkins might not be horrible be he certainly isn't good either. Kevin Williams who played very limited minutes had almost as many tackles as Jenkins (18 vs 23 for Jenkins)... Opposing teams avg. 4.9 yds per attempt. We were 31st vs the run. Certainly not all his fault but he started and played the most except when benched in favor of Davison (himself ineffective at times). This was his third year and I didn't see anything that made me believe he isn't anything other than a Remi Ayodele clone. We need an upgrade big time. If anything we need a pocket closing NT to help the ends. Upgrade is needed. Kevin Williams logged more snaps than Jenkins (564 to 538), and they both finished in our top 5 defenders. Most of the damage running against us was outside the DT's. Jenkins is an above average DT.

01-26-2016, 07:21 PM	#10
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,278	Re: 5 Saints Who Should NOT Be Back Next Season Originally Posted by K Major John Jenkins might not be horrible be he certainly isn't good either. Kevin Williams who played very limited minutes had almost as many tackles as Jenkins (18 vs 23 for Jenkins)... Opposing teams avg. 4.9 yds per attempt. We were 31st vs the run. Certainly not all his fault but he started and played the most except when benched in favor of Davison (himself ineffective at times). This was his third year and I didn't see anything that made me believe he isn't anything other than a Remi Ayodele clone. We need an upgrade big time. If anything we need a pocket closing NT to help the ends. Upgrade is needed. Than you, finally we agree on something.

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