2016 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook

jeanpierre · 05-01-2016, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

I have a question JP... Sheldon Rankins played the 5-technique at Louisville so could you see him playing some of that with us? Maybe keep Jordan at the 7/9-technique and have Richardson/Rankins on the strong side.

Well, Jordan looked better from a 5-tech, where he started closer to the quarterback and used rip/swim power moves to get immediate "sudden" pressure on the passer, from the 9-tech he lacks the speed to be the main source of pressure and actually looks like Zach Strief out in space...

Rankins is a true 3-tech; see him starting in the base 4-3 packages as the 3/4-tech and being moved around to get one-on-one matchups with FA Fairley coming in as a 3-tech on obvious passing subs; should Rankins' lack of size to lock down his area be an issue as it was with Sed Ellis, the Saints Draft Team will have overreached, again; and coaches will be busy finding a balance of rotating Rankins and Fairley to their strengths...

Assuming Onyemata progresses and is coached up enough to make the roster, fans will need to temper expectations for a couple of seasons as this man is a real raw prospect; I'd expect to see him initially on short-yardage packages and possibly occasionally to spell a starter should we have control (significant lead) in a game; if Onyemata progresses to play significantly in this year or even early next; it'll be lagniappe for the team and a win for the Saints draft team...

jeanpierre · 05-01-2016, 10:50 PM

SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2016 Post-Draft

OFFENSE

QB (3) Drew Brees, Luke McCown, Garrett Grayson, Griffin Neal

RB (5) Mark Ingram, Tim Hightower, C.J. Spiller, Marcus Murphy, Travaris Cadet, Vick Ballard, Daniel Lasco, Jaylen Walton

FB (1) Austin Johnson, Toben Opurum, Sione Houma

WR (3) Brandon Coleman, Kyle Prater, Michael Thomas, Jordan Williams, Tommy Lee Lewis

LT (2) Terron Armstead, Andrus Peat, Avery Young

LG (2) Senio Kelemete, Cyril Lemon, Landon Turner

C (2) Max Unger, Marcus Henry, Jack Allen

RG (1) Tim Lelito, Joseph Cheek

RT (1) Zach Strief, Ryker Mathews, Bryan Witzmann

TE (3) Coby Fleener, Josh Hill, Michael Hoomanawanui, Jack Tabb, Chris Manhertz, RaShaun Allen, Mitchell Loewen

SR (2) Brandin Cooks, Willie Snead, Shane Wynn, Reggie Bell, R.J. Harris, Jared Dangerfield

DEFENSE

5T (2) Cameron Jordan, Bobby Richardson, Obum Gwacham, Phillip Hunt

1T (3) John Jenkins, Tyeler Davison, Kaleb Eulls, Ashaad Mabry

3T (2) Nick Fairley, Sheldon Rankins, David Onyemata

9T (2) Hau'oli Kikaha, Kasim Edebali, Davis Tull, D.J. Pettway

WLB (2) Dannell Ellerbe, Nate Stupar, Dominique Tovell

MLB (2) James Laurinaitis, Craig Robertson, Jeff Schoettmer

SLB (2) Stephone Anthony, Mike Mauti, Dillon Lee

RCB (2) Keenan Lewis, P.J. Williams, Brian Dixon, Brandon Dixon, De’Vante Harris

SS (2) Kenny Vaccaro, Erik Harris, Jamarca Sanford, Michael Caputo

FS (3) Jairus Byrd, Vonn Bell, Trae Elston, Alden Darby

LCB (2) Delvin Breaux, Kyle Wilson, Damian Swann, Tony Carter, Ken Crawley

KICKING

K (1) Kai Forbath, Josh Scobee

P (1) Thomas Morstead

LS (1) Justin Drescher

Projected Starter

Reserve/Injured

Reserve/Future/UDRFA

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Nice... this ought to be a good camp!

Yeah, Smash, we should see some nice competition among the defensive backs, running backs, and offensive line...

One UDRFA acquisition to keep an eye on is FS Trae Elston outta Ole Miss; if Saints coaching gives him half a chance, he'll be a good one; personally, thought he was every bit as good as Vonn Bell; but with the Cap Money committed to Byrd and the high pick committed to Bell, his chances are really tough...

Know many are excited about getting Landon Turner, a projected second/third round pick very late in the draft season; but two UDRFA I really like are BYU's Ryker Mathews and A&M's Joe Cheek; Mathews reminds me alot of Zach Strief, his fate can be tied to the Saints if Strief makes the final roster, likely, and Peat moves into guard, 50/50; Joseph Cheek is interesting as he's like a lighter Carl Nicks with similar athletic builds; Cheek's a smart guy who should pick up things quick, but he'll have to pick bulk quickly without a dropoff in movement, skill and Cheek could use a little more 'violence' to his game...

Dillon Lee is a real wild card and the guy I'm locking in on this offseason...

Alot of good talent is either not going to get used and result in trade or out and out release for not being a good fit for what Payton will let D.A. install...

Running backs are a dime a dozen in the Saints' scheme unless your name is Ingram; all offer impressive talents; one dropped outlet pass will lead to a solid No.2 RB on any NFL roster getting released...

jeanpierre · 05-02-2016, 08:06 AM

Wonder if there's a chance we could get back that 2017 fifth round pick for Jairus Byrd? or get a fourth round pick for C.J. Spiller?

hagan714 · 05-02-2016, 11:31 AM

FS Trae Elston was a productive player and was always in the middle of everything. I like the DBs the saints have brought in as UDFA.

jeanpierre · 05-02-2016, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

FS Trae Elston was a productive player and was always in the middle of everything. I like the DBs the saints have brought in as UDFA.

It always seems like it's feast or famine, though...

jeanpierre · 05-02-2016, 06:38 PM

Added Sproles-back Jaylen Walton, Ole Miss today...

jeanpierre · 05-02-2016, 06:40 PM

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jeanpierre · 05-03-2016, 10:50 PM

SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2016 Post-Draft

OFFENSE

QB (3) Drew Brees, Luke McCown, Garrett Grayson, Griffin Neal

RB (5) Mark Ingram, Tim Hightower, C.J. Spiller, Marcus Murphy, Travaris Cadet, Vick Ballard, Daniel Lasco, Jaylen Walton

FB (1) Austin Johnson, Toben Opurum, Sione Houma

WR (3) Brandon Coleman, Kyle Prater, Michael Thomas, Jordan Williams, Tommy Lee Lewis

LT (2) Terron Armstead, Andrus Peat, Avery Young

LG (2) Tim Lelito, Joseph Cheek

C (2) Max Unger, Marcus Henry, Jack Allen

RG (1) Senio Kelemete, Landon Turner, Cyril Lemon

RT (1) Zach Strief, Ryker Mathews, Bryan Witzmann

TE (3) Coby Fleener, Josh Hill, Michael Hoomanawanui, Jack Tabb, Chris Manhertz, RaShaun Allen, Mitchell Loewen

SR (2) Brandin Cooks, Willie Snead, Shane Wynn, Reggie Bell, R.J. Harris, Jared Dangerfield

DEFENSE

5T (2) Cameron Jordan, Bobby Richardson, Obum Gwacham, Phillip Hunt

1T (3) John Jenkins, Tyeler Davison, Kaleb Eulls, Ashaad Mabry

3T (2) Nick Fairley, Sheldon Rankins, David Onyemata

9T (2) Hau'oli Kikaha, Kasim Edebali, Davis Tull, D.J. Pettway

WLB (2) Dannell Ellerbe, Nate Stupar, Dominique Tovell

MLB (2) James Laurinaitis, Craig Robertson, Jeff Schoettmer

SLB (2) Stephone Anthony, Mike Mauti, Dillon Lee

RCB (2) Keenan Lewis, P.J. Williams, Brian Dixon, Brandon Dixon, De’Vante Harris

SS (2) Kenny Vaccaro, Erik Harris, Jamarca Sanford, Michael Caputo

FS (3) Jairus Byrd, Vonn Bell, Trae Elston, Alden Darby

LCB (2) Delvin Breaux, Kyle Wilson, Damian Swann, Tony Carter, Ken Crawley

KICKING

K (1) Kai Forbath, Josh Scobee

P (1) Thomas Morstead

LS (1) Justin Drescher, Chris Highland

Projected Starter

Reserve/Injured

Reserve/Future/UDRFA

jeanpierre · 05-05-2016, 10:09 AM

SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2016 Post-Draft

OFFENSE

QB (3) Drew Brees, Luke McCown, Garrett Grayson, Griffin Neal

RB (5) Mark Ingram, Tim Hightower, C.J. Spiller, Daniel Lasco, Marcus Murphy, Travaris Cadet, Vick Ballard, Daniel Lasco, Jaylen Walton

FB (1) Austin Johnson, Toben Opurum, Sione Houma

WR (3) Brandon Coleman, Kyle Prater, Michael Thomas, Jordan Williams, Tommy Lee Lewis

LT (1) Terron Armstead, Avery Young

LG (1) Andrus Peat, Senio Kelemete, Cyril Lemon

C (2) Max Unger, Jack Allen, Marcus Henry

RG (2) Tim Lelito, Landon Turner, Joseph Cheek

RT (2) Zach Strief, Ryker Mathews, Bryan Witzmann

TE (3) Coby Fleener, Josh Hill, Michael Hoomanawanui, Jack Tabb, Chris Manhertz, RaShaun Allen, Mitchell Loewen

SR (2) Brandin Cooks, Willie Snead, R.J. Harris, Shane Wynn, Reggie Bell, Jared Dangerfield

DEFENSE

5T (2) Cameron Jordan, Bobby Richardson, Obum Gwacham, Phillip Hunt

1T (2) John Jenkins, Tyeler Davison, Kaleb Eulls, Ashaad Mabry

3T (2) Nick Fairley, Sheldon Rankins, David Onyemata

9T (3) Hau'oli Kikaha, Davis Tull, Kasim Edebali, D.J. Pettway

WLB (2) Dannell Ellerbe, Nate Stupar, Dominique Tovell

MLB (2) James Laurinaitis, Craig Robertson, Jeff Schoettmer

SLB (2) Stephone Anthony, Mike Mauti, Dillon Lee

RCB (2) Keenan Lewis, P.J. Williams, Brian Dixon, Brandon Dixon, Ken Crawley

SS (2) Kenny Vaccaro, Erik Harris, Jamarca Sanford, Michael Caputo

FS (3) Jairus Byrd, Vonn Bell, Trae Elston, Alden Darby

LCB (3) Delvin Breaux, Kyle Wilson, Damian Swann, De’Vante Harris, Tony Carter

KICKING

K (1) Kai Forbath, Josh Scobee

P (1) Thomas Morstead

LS (1) Justin Drescher, Chris Highland

Projected Starter

Reserve/Injured

Reserve/Future/UDRFA

halloween 65 · 05-05-2016, 03:50 PM

I wouldn't sleep on Stupar or Ediboli and I'll add Davidson with them. Ascending players with really good upside. I'm curious to see how Anthony does as an OLB.

05-01-2016, 09:23 PM	#161
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2016 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by ChrisXVI I have a question JP... Sheldon Rankins played the 5-technique at Louisville so could you see him playing some of that with us? Maybe keep Jordan at the 7/9-technique and have Richardson/Rankins on the strong side. Well, Jordan looked better from a 5-tech, where he started closer to the quarterback and used rip/swim power moves to get immediate "sudden" pressure on the passer, from the 9-tech he lacks the speed to be the main source of pressure and actually looks like Zach Strief out in space... Rankins is a true 3-tech; see him starting in the base 4-3 packages as the 3/4-tech and being moved around to get one-on-one matchups with FA Fairley coming in as a 3-tech on obvious passing subs; should Rankins' lack of size to lock down his area be an issue as it was with Sed Ellis, the Saints Draft Team will have overreached, again; and coaches will be busy finding a balance of rotating Rankins and Fairley to their strengths... Assuming Onyemata progresses and is coached up enough to make the roster, fans will need to temper expectations for a couple of seasons as this man is a real raw prospect; I'd expect to see him initially on short-yardage packages and possibly occasionally to spell a starter should we have control (significant lead) in a game; if Onyemata progresses to play significantly in this year or even early next; it'll be lagniappe for the team and a win for the Saints draft team... ChrisXVI likes this.
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05-01-2016, 10:50 PM	#162
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2016 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2016 Post-Draft OFFENSE QB (3) Drew Brees, Luke McCown, Garrett Grayson, Griffin Neal RB (5) Mark Ingram, Tim Hightower, C.J. Spiller, Marcus Murphy, Travaris Cadet, Vick Ballard, Daniel Lasco, Jaylen Walton FB (1) Austin Johnson, Toben Opurum, Sione Houma WR (3) Brandon Coleman, Kyle Prater, Michael Thomas, Jordan Williams, Tommy Lee Lewis LT (2) Terron Armstead, Andrus Peat, Avery Young LG (2) Senio Kelemete, Cyril Lemon, Landon Turner C (2) Max Unger, Marcus Henry, Jack Allen RG (1) Tim Lelito, Joseph Cheek RT (1) Zach Strief, Ryker Mathews, Bryan Witzmann TE (3) Coby Fleener, Josh Hill, Michael Hoomanawanui, Jack Tabb, Chris Manhertz, RaShaun Allen, Mitchell Loewen SR (2) Brandin Cooks, Willie Snead, Shane Wynn, Reggie Bell, R.J. Harris, Jared Dangerfield DEFENSE 5T (2) Cameron Jordan, Bobby Richardson, Obum Gwacham, Phillip Hunt 1T (3) John Jenkins, Tyeler Davison, Kaleb Eulls, Ashaad Mabry 3T (2) Nick Fairley, Sheldon Rankins, David Onyemata 9T (2) Hau'oli Kikaha, Kasim Edebali, Davis Tull, D.J. Pettway WLB (2) Dannell Ellerbe, Nate Stupar, Dominique Tovell MLB (2) James Laurinaitis, Craig Robertson, Jeff Schoettmer SLB (2) Stephone Anthony, Mike Mauti, Dillon Lee RCB (2) Keenan Lewis, P.J. Williams, Brian Dixon, Brandon Dixon, De’Vante Harris SS (2) Kenny Vaccaro, Erik Harris, Jamarca Sanford, Michael Caputo FS (3) Jairus Byrd, Vonn Bell, Trae Elston, Alden Darby LCB (2) Delvin Breaux, Kyle Wilson, Damian Swann, Tony Carter, Ken Crawley KICKING K (1) Kai Forbath, Josh Scobee P (1) Thomas Morstead LS (1) Justin Drescher Projected Starter Reserve/Injured Reserve/Future/UDRFA Originally Posted by SmashMouth Nice... this ought to be a good camp! Yeah, Smash, we should see some nice competition among the defensive backs, running backs, and offensive line... One UDRFA acquisition to keep an eye on is FS Trae Elston outta Ole Miss; if Saints coaching gives him half a chance, he'll be a good one; personally, thought he was every bit as good as Vonn Bell; but with the Cap Money committed to Byrd and the high pick committed to Bell, his chances are really tough... Know many are excited about getting Landon Turner, a projected second/third round pick very late in the draft season; but two UDRFA I really like are BYU's Ryker Mathews and A&M's Joe Cheek; Mathews reminds me alot of Zach Strief, his fate can be tied to the Saints if Strief makes the final roster, likely, and Peat moves into guard, 50/50; Joseph Cheek is interesting as he's like a lighter Carl Nicks with similar athletic builds; Cheek's a smart guy who should pick up things quick, but he'll have to pick bulk quickly without a dropoff in movement, skill and Cheek could use a little more 'violence' to his game... Dillon Lee is a real wild card and the guy I'm locking in on this offseason... Alot of good talent is either not going to get used and result in trade or out and out release for not being a good fit for what Payton will let D.A. install... Running backs are a dime a dozen in the Saints' scheme unless your name is Ingram; all offer impressive talents; one dropped outlet pass will lead to a solid No.2 RB on any NFL roster getting released...
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05-02-2016, 08:06 AM	#163
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2016 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Wonder if there's a chance we could get back that 2017 fifth round pick for Jairus Byrd? or get a fourth round pick for C.J. Spiller?

05-02-2016, 11:31 AM	#164
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 2016 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook FS Trae Elston was a productive player and was always in the middle of everything. I like the DBs the saints have brought in as UDFA.

05-02-2016, 02:45 PM	#165
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2016 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by hagan714 FS Trae Elston was a productive player and was always in the middle of everything. I like the DBs the saints have brought in as UDFA. It always seems like it's feast or famine, though...

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2016 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2016 Post-Draft OFFENSE QB (3) Drew Brees, Luke McCown, Garrett Grayson, Griffin Neal RB (5) Mark Ingram, Tim Hightower, C.J. Spiller, Marcus Murphy, Travaris Cadet, Vick Ballard, Daniel Lasco, Jaylen Walton FB (1) Austin Johnson, Toben Opurum, Sione Houma WR (3) Brandon Coleman, Kyle Prater, Michael Thomas, Jordan Williams, Tommy Lee Lewis LT (2) Terron Armstead, Andrus Peat, Avery Young LG (2) Tim Lelito, Joseph Cheek C (2) Max Unger, Marcus Henry, Jack Allen RG (1) Senio Kelemete, Landon Turner, Cyril Lemon RT (1) Zach Strief, Ryker Mathews, Bryan Witzmann TE (3) Coby Fleener, Josh Hill, Michael Hoomanawanui, Jack Tabb, Chris Manhertz, RaShaun Allen, Mitchell Loewen SR (2) Brandin Cooks, Willie Snead, Shane Wynn, Reggie Bell, R.J. Harris, Jared Dangerfield DEFENSE 5T (2) Cameron Jordan, Bobby Richardson, Obum Gwacham, Phillip Hunt 1T (3) John Jenkins, Tyeler Davison, Kaleb Eulls, Ashaad Mabry 3T (2) Nick Fairley, Sheldon Rankins, David Onyemata 9T (2) Hau'oli Kikaha, Kasim Edebali, Davis Tull, D.J. Pettway WLB (2) Dannell Ellerbe, Nate Stupar, Dominique Tovell MLB (2) James Laurinaitis, Craig Robertson, Jeff Schoettmer SLB (2) Stephone Anthony, Mike Mauti, Dillon Lee RCB (2) Keenan Lewis, P.J. Williams, Brian Dixon, Brandon Dixon, De’Vante Harris SS (2) Kenny Vaccaro, Erik Harris, Jamarca Sanford, Michael Caputo FS (3) Jairus Byrd, Vonn Bell, Trae Elston, Alden Darby LCB (2) Delvin Breaux, Kyle Wilson, Damian Swann, Tony Carter, Ken Crawley KICKING K (1) Kai Forbath, Josh Scobee P (1) Thomas Morstead LS (1) Justin Drescher, Chris Highland Projected Starter Reserve/Injured Reserve/Future/UDRFA
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05-05-2016, 10:09 AM	#169
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2016 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2016 Post-Draft OFFENSE QB (3) Drew Brees, Luke McCown, Garrett Grayson, Griffin Neal RB (5) Mark Ingram, Tim Hightower, C.J. Spiller, Daniel Lasco, Marcus Murphy, Travaris Cadet, Vick Ballard, Daniel Lasco, Jaylen Walton FB (1) Austin Johnson, Toben Opurum, Sione Houma WR (3) Brandon Coleman, Kyle Prater, Michael Thomas, Jordan Williams, Tommy Lee Lewis LT (1) Terron Armstead, Avery Young LG (1) Andrus Peat, Senio Kelemete, Cyril Lemon C (2) Max Unger, Jack Allen, Marcus Henry RG (2) Tim Lelito, Landon Turner, Joseph Cheek RT (2) Zach Strief, Ryker Mathews, Bryan Witzmann TE (3) Coby Fleener, Josh Hill, Michael Hoomanawanui, Jack Tabb, Chris Manhertz, RaShaun Allen, Mitchell Loewen SR (2) Brandin Cooks, Willie Snead, R.J. Harris, Shane Wynn, Reggie Bell, Jared Dangerfield DEFENSE 5T (2) Cameron Jordan, Bobby Richardson, Obum Gwacham, Phillip Hunt 1T (2) John Jenkins, Tyeler Davison, Kaleb Eulls, Ashaad Mabry 3T (2) Nick Fairley, Sheldon Rankins, David Onyemata 9T (3) Hau'oli Kikaha, Davis Tull, Kasim Edebali, D.J. Pettway WLB (2) Dannell Ellerbe, Nate Stupar, Dominique Tovell MLB (2) James Laurinaitis, Craig Robertson, Jeff Schoettmer SLB (2) Stephone Anthony, Mike Mauti, Dillon Lee RCB (2) Keenan Lewis, P.J. Williams, Brian Dixon, Brandon Dixon, Ken Crawley SS (2) Kenny Vaccaro, Erik Harris, Jamarca Sanford, Michael Caputo FS (3) Jairus Byrd, Vonn Bell, Trae Elston, Alden Darby LCB (3) Delvin Breaux, Kyle Wilson, Damian Swann, De’Vante Harris, Tony Carter KICKING K (1) Kai Forbath, Josh Scobee P (1) Thomas Morstead LS (1) Justin Drescher, Chris Highland Projected Starter Reserve/Injured Reserve/Future/UDRFA
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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: 2016 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook I wouldn't sleep on Stupar or Ediboli and I'll add Davidson with them. Ascending players with really good upside. I'm curious to see how Anthony does as an OLB. jeanpierre likes this.

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