Trade Down at 12?

WhoDatFan26 · 03-03-2016, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Every time I see Conner Cook's name pop up, I shake my head. The guy just isn't that good... Sorry. Decent college QB, but not NFL material by any measure that I have seen.

As for the Saints, I still don't have a consensus in my own mind about who I'd like them to take. I only know that I would like a true lane clogging DT (something we haven't had since Norman Hand) a mauling OG and an OLB who can rush the passer AND cover. I doubt all three needs will be addressed, but 2 out of 3 would be great. This draft looks deep with solid talent, but lacks guys who I'd say "we HAVE to get him". Very few of those... I'm sure someone will surprise us though, and I hope we get whoever that is.

We have 1 pass rushing OLB in Kikaha, but we aren't using him properly. To best use our talent we need to run a 3-4. Kikaha is wasted n a 4-3 Defense.

halloween 65 · 02-15-2016, 06:51 PM

I still got to go G in the first, fixes the O's passing and run game, grab a tough TE in the late 4th. I'm all for trading down a few spots for more picks a trade for a 1st and 2nd would go a long way. I totally agree that the D needs to start upfront in the trenches and agree that a bull needs to lead the charge. NT 2nd round, NT 3rd round ( might as well do it right), TE 4th round, I'm hoping we get a really good OLB in FA( couple good ones will be FA) 5th OT for depth , 6th WR. 7th K I'm tied of xtra points and field goals being an issue at times, needs to have a big leg and accurite as hell.

blackangold · 02-15-2016, 08:59 PM

I like the idea of moving in to the high teens/early 20s.

There is a good amount of talent at the DT and DE positions.

If we can't land Robinson or Billings at 12 then we should move back.

foreverfan · 02-15-2016, 09:11 PM

QUESTION: Receiving end of a Ditka for Drew

I'm surprised that more people don't want to trade Ditka for Drew.

I'd trade Ditka for Drew any day.

hagan714 · 02-16-2016, 01:27 AM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

I'm surprised that more people don't want to trade Ditka for Drew.

Maybe being on the receiving end of a Ditka scares too many people.
Houston trading their entire draft for Drew is just to mind boggling.

foreverfan · 02-15-2016, 10:43 PM

Top 20 free-agent signings in NFL history

RaginCajun83 · 02-15-2016, 11:41 PM

No you stay at 12 and draft Jaylen Smith LB Norte Dame

K Major · 02-16-2016, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by RaginCajun83

No you stay at 12 and draft Jaylen Smith LB Norte Dame

Don't know on this one ... it will come down to what the Saints do in Free Agency but from what I read on JS, this guy is an immediate impact player. How is the knee rehab coming along? If you read some of Nick Underhill scouting reports, he points how badly we were abused when Ellerbe was out. I mentioned this before on the board but if someone told me that we could have Captain America (Luke Kiechly) but he would have to sit a year ... I could care less.

In saying all that, I still want a DE like Robinson at #12

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hagan714 · 02-16-2016, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by RaginCajun83

No you stay at 12 and draft Jaylen Smith LB Norte Dame

Now we will soon find out at the combine what is the deal with the knee.

If the knee checks out I still expect Smith not to be on the field in 2016.

As a results I can see his stock taking a real hit. falling out of the top 20 with a cleared medical would be kind of a shocker.

So if the saints traded down and got additional picks in day two of the draft and ended up with Smith. I would look at it as a cautious win win and a lot of if's and's and but's to wait a year on.

blackangold · 02-16-2016, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Now we will soon find out at the combine what is the deal with the knee.

If the knee checks out I still expect Smith not to be on the field in 2016.

As a results I can see his stock taking a real hit. falling out of the top 20 with a cleared medical would be kind of a shocker.

So if the saints traded down and got additional picks in day two of the draft and ended up with Smith. I would look at it as a cautious win win and a lot of if's and's and but's to wait a year on.

Drafting for the future is probably the smart move, but the clock is ticking on Drew, he won't play forever.

View Poll Results: Trade Down
Philadelphia Eagles R1-13 and R4-110	1	2.86%
La Rams R1-15 and R3-76	6	17.14%
Houston Texans R1-22, R2-52, R4-116	10	28.57%
Recievng end of a Ditka for Drew	2	5.71%
Stay put at 12	16	45.71%
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03-03-2016, 03:02 PM	#1
WhoDatFan26 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 365	Re: Trade Down at 12? Originally Posted by burningmetal Every time I see Conner Cook's name pop up, I shake my head. The guy just isn't that good... Sorry. Decent college QB, but not NFL material by any measure that I have seen. As for the Saints, I still don't have a consensus in my own mind about who I'd like them to take. I only know that I would like a true lane clogging DT (something we haven't had since Norman Hand) a mauling OG and an OLB who can rush the passer AND cover. I doubt all three needs will be addressed, but 2 out of 3 would be great. This draft looks deep with solid talent, but lacks guys who I'd say "we HAVE to get him". Very few of those... I'm sure someone will surprise us though, and I hope we get whoever that is. We have 1 pass rushing OLB in Kikaha, but we aren't using him properly. To best use our talent we need to run a 3-4. Kikaha is wasted n a 4-3 Defense.
WhoDatFan26 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 365

02-15-2016, 06:51 PM	#2
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Trade Down at 12? I still got to go G in the first, fixes the O's passing and run game, grab a tough TE in the late 4th. I'm all for trading down a few spots for more picks a trade for a 1st and 2nd would go a long way. I totally agree that the D needs to start upfront in the trenches and agree that a bull needs to lead the charge. NT 2nd round, NT 3rd round ( might as well do it right), TE 4th round, I'm hoping we get a really good OLB in FA( couple good ones will be FA) 5th OT for depth , 6th WR. 7th K I'm tied of xtra points and field goals being an issue at times, needs to have a big leg and accurite as hell.

02-15-2016, 08:59 PM	#3
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Trade Down at 12? I like the idea of moving in to the high teens/early 20s. There is a good amount of talent at the DT and DE positions. If we can't land Robinson or Billings at 12 then we should move back. Barry from MS likes this.

02-15-2016, 09:11 PM	#4
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Trade Down at 12? QUESTION: Receiving end of a Ditka for Drew I'm surprised that more people don't want to trade Ditka for Drew. I'd trade Ditka for Drew any day. hagan714 likes this.
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02-16-2016, 01:27 AM	#5
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Trade Down at 12? Originally Posted by foreverfan I'm surprised that more people don't want to trade Ditka for Drew. Maybe being on the receiving end of a Ditka scares too many people. Houston trading their entire draft for Drew is just to mind boggling. foreverfan likes this.

02-15-2016, 10:43 PM	#6
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Trade Down at 12? Top 20 free-agent signings in NFL history
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02-15-2016, 11:41 PM	#7
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: Trade Down at 12? No you stay at 12 and draft Jaylen Smith LB Norte Dame frydaddy likes this.

02-16-2016, 11:28 AM	#8
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,738 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Trade Down at 12? Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 No you stay at 12 and draft Jaylen Smith LB Norte Dame Don't know on this one ... it will come down to what the Saints do in Free Agency but from what I read on JS, this guy is an immediate impact player. How is the knee rehab coming along? If you read some of Nick Underhill scouting reports, he points how badly we were abused when Ellerbe was out. I mentioned this before on the board but if someone told me that we could have Captain America (Luke Kiechly) but he would have to sit a year ... I could care less. In saying all that, I still want a DE like Robinson at #12 . hagan714 and Barry from MS like this.

02-16-2016, 03:43 PM	#9
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Trade Down at 12? Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 No you stay at 12 and draft Jaylen Smith LB Norte Dame Now we will soon find out at the combine what is the deal with the knee. If the knee checks out I still expect Smith not to be on the field in 2016. As a results I can see his stock taking a real hit. falling out of the top 20 with a cleared medical would be kind of a shocker. So if the saints traded down and got additional picks in day two of the draft and ended up with Smith. I would look at it as a cautious win win and a lot of if's and's and but's to wait a year on. Barry from MS likes this.
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02-16-2016, 07:27 PM	#10
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Trade Down at 12? Originally Posted by hagan714 Now we will soon find out at the combine what is the deal with the knee. If the knee checks out I still expect Smith not to be on the field in 2016. As a results I can see his stock taking a real hit. falling out of the top 20 with a cleared medical would be kind of a shocker. So if the saints traded down and got additional picks in day two of the draft and ended up with Smith. I would look at it as a cautious win win and a lot of if's and's and but's to wait a year on. Drafting for the future is probably the smart move, but the clock is ticking on Drew, he won't play forever. Rugby Saint II likes this.

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