Re: Saints Sign Coby Fleener 5 year deal
 

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This is certainly a surprise. I wasn't even aware he was a free agent. He's not better than Ben Watson was for us this year, but at least he's younger. Hope he works out and doesn't become the next David Sloan.

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Starts at .39

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Stats have shown that he had 2 more TD catches in 2014(last year Colts had major injury problems at QB) than Watson had last year(his best receiving year ever) with 20 less passes thrown to and 50 less receiving yards. That pretty much proves he's better when he has a QB who can get him the ball...

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I am just happy we FINALLY did something watching players come off the board and Saints doing NOTHING.

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Like the move, there was no one in the draft that could be a starter week one in my opinion

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Fleener isn't the issue. The contract is awful.

I know there is some magic baked into the contract with loom is around but there is no way he is worth 7mil per year. We could have some UDFA TE come in and do fairly we'll with Brees throwing the ball.

Fleener might be ok, but he isn't worth close to what we just paid.

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Another target for Drew. I like the move as well. Just hope we get something done on the offensive and defensive lines.

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I'm guessing the lines will have to wait until the draft...

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I'm not really worried that Fleener had a couple of more TD's. People kept saying Josh Hill was going to be great because he scored a few td's in limited playing time. Ben Watson was more reliable this year than Fleener was for the Colts. He has kind of had the dropsies at times. He did improve last year for them, and I'm hopeful he continues an upward trend.

I did say that Ben was better THIS YEAR, for us. I recognize it was his best year, and that he is getting old. My point was that it's not really an upgrade right now, but it has more long term value, at least potentially. You never know what will happen when a player changes systems.

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Maybe a little too much money, but at least we got younger. Will miss Watson's leadership big-time though.

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Yikes, another bad grade:

Coby Fleener (Saints): D+

Last year, the Saints knew that they had to rebuild their offensive line and defense, even if it meant sacrificing their pass-catching tight end, so they sent Jimmy Graham to the Seahawks and acquired Max Unger and draft picks. A year later, with their offensive line struggling and their defense still a mess, it seems like they just gave up and went after a less impressive receiving tight end. Fleener isn't close to Graham's equal as a field-stretching receiver, and the Saints did just fine without that sort of weapon in their offense last year, turning Ben Watson into a viable tight end. After losing Watson to the Ravens, the Saints took what precious little cap space they had and decided to use it on Fleener's five-year, $36-million deal. It's reminiscent of their bizarre decision to invest heavily in running backs (of all things) last year, and speaks to just how flawed the organizational process has gotten in New Orleans.

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50 catches with Indy means drew will get him 75-80 and 900 yards

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We have more cap space then these folks realize.

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Just because you have cap space doesn't mean you should go blow it on mid-tier talent that could have been acquired for 3mil Less per year...

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Couldn't have said it better myself. This decision is mind boggling. I have officially lost faith in Loomis with these continual awful FA decisions and contracts.

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Im just curious which tight end you would sign for 3 million or less?

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FLEENER!

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:bng:

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Hot damn! If you're so great it's a wonder you don't have Loomis' job. I'm pretty sure that he got his contract as low as he could, and most probably it's a pretty good one making it work with the salary cap. Which I very seriously doubt any of us understand what's really going on with that

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I think the way the contract is he will be making about 3 or 4 million this year, and the end of the contract is supposedly easily reworkable to open up space if needed. These contracts aren't always what they seem. I read it on BR. Could be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure.

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You are dead on. Fleener has the capability to be a huge piece of the offense which any of us that have half a brain would have to admit sucked in the red zone. This is a no lose proposition. Totally back loaded with a player that will fit our offense much better than that of the Colts because of the head coach.

Those of you with your frilly panties in a wad about the deal need to chill out.

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So who has heard what the signing bonus is?

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So sensitive... at what point did I say I was great or better than anyone else? Take emotion out of it, look at the past mistakes that have caused significant cap issues (which we are currently "trying" to get out of) and tell me how this doesn't suggest overpaying for a mid tier player and continuing the current cap situation in future years?

I hear the argument about it being backloaded and could end it sooner, etc. The issue there is (dependent on) the signing bonus number that could lead to substantial dead money counting against a future cap. It is business 101, Mickey Loomis wouldn't have to jump cap hoops every off season with good signings and contracts.

In the end, I hope for nothing more than for Fleener to be the best saints FA signing since Drew Brees and eat crow.

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When you insinuated you could sign Fleener for 3 million or less, and I'm not sensitive I could careless. You just come around to troll every once in awhile

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Redzone target signed, now grab a OG and a defensive lineman of two and they are set for BPA through out the draft

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Troll, LOL. Since 2004. I post when it is something useful.

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Bravo Loomis. Good post. Plus the cap will continue to rise.

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200 post since 2004 = troll... I've been here long enough and you just pop in during the offseason and talk bad about the team just to rile us up... Pretty much a troll to me

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BTW Mitch that is 200 posts since 2004, a solid 16 or so posts a year. ;)

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Why does looking at something objectively mean talking bad about the team? I will never understand that comment. We can agree to disagree, why does everyone always have to agree every move is always perfect?

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I don't care about you disagreeing, but really insinuating like you could have signed him for 3 million or less... c'mon :rolleyes:

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Not me personally, but I do think that Fleener could have been had at much less. Every year some team overpays on a player. I just feel like it keeps happening to us each year, and Fleener is our overspend in 2016. (like Byrd, Spiller, etc.)

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In whose opinion is it useful? Just saying.

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So in other words, you let your emotions get a hold of you in that previous post and you're craw-fishing out of it now...

Just messing with ya; don't take it personal...