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rezburna 03-10-2016 09:58 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 695405)
Not to take the focus away from the recent Coby signing but ...why we have so many good looking pieces on paper but are so bad? It's because those pieces on defense are at CB, S and Cam Jordan plus a bunch of rookies but we were most certainly dreadfully bad because we were below average at the LB spot. The defense was a broken group, it didn't transition well from one level to the next. It reflected the coaching, filled with uncertainty, change and philosophy. Some of those good pieces were meant for a 34. Some were meant for a 43. Some were meant to play zone and some were meant for man. Because we've flipped flopped schemes for so long and drafted according to that scheme we've become the most versatile defense in the league and it shows on the field because we sucked in every different situation imaginable.

We lack team speed on defense so badly its pathetic.
We are a slow team. True enough.

dizzle88 03-10-2016 10:01 AM
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It really hits you how slow our defense is when you watch the number 1 defense in football literally win the SuperBowl on their own.

Seer1 03-10-2016 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 695410)
It really hits you how slow our defense is when you watch the number 1 defense in football literally win the SuperBowl on their own.
Not really a secret there.

Seer1 03-10-2016 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 695387)
yeah and then we are left with the ageless questions
- Who is gonna block?
- Who is going to play D.
The team that wins the Superbowl...

RaginCajun83 03-10-2016 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 695394)
So, which 4 are you referring to. And the rest are crap? Really?
Jordan
Breaux
Anthony
Kikaha
Vaccaro

Given the FACT they ranked so low, yes the rest is crap. Ellerbe made his name playing next Ray Lewis and hasn't done a thing since leaving Balt

|Mitch| 03-10-2016 12:24 PM
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Danno 03-10-2016 01:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 695409)
We are a slow team. True enough.
I think we used to be with Lofton, Hawthorne, Browner,

Byrd, Vaccaro, Lewis, Breaux, Anthony, Kikaha, Ellerbe, and Jordan are not slow.

Throw in PJ Williams and Davis Tull and we have pretty good speed.

We could definitely use some more speed at OLB and DT/DE, but I wouldn't say were slow anymore.

|Mitch| 03-10-2016 01:48 PM
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Rugby Saint II 03-10-2016 02:16 PM
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So, this contract is really a two year prove it deal. Even at seven million a year which seems a little expensive it's great to give Drew a big target.

|Mitch| 03-10-2016 02:22 PM
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lumm0x 03-10-2016 02:24 PM
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I would take Fleener all day over Sanu too. Still too much money. Right player, wrong deal.

|Mitch| 03-10-2016 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by lumm0x (Post 695479)
Right player, wrong deal.
If it wasn't us, it would have been some other team. He would have been signed yesterday regardless...

Just happy that Drew has another big athletic receiver who's a better blocker than Graham was.(I think)

nola_swammi 03-10-2016 03:53 PM
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coby_Fleener




NFL Events: Combine Player Profiles - Coby Fleener


6 ft 6 in
247 lb.
40ydx4.52 s
Vertical 37 in
bench press 27 reps


He have the 3 "s" (size, speed & strength) to be a exceptional TE, I researched and found he need to work on blocking. His blocking is not worst than JG

lumm0x 03-10-2016 04:04 PM
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No one's blocking at TE is worse than Graham was.

jeanpierre 03-10-2016 05:01 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 695410)
It really hits you how slow our defense is when you watch the number 1 defense in football literally win the SuperBowl on their own.
Not true. Not true at all...Cam Newton helped... ;)

jeanpierre 03-10-2016 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 695480)
If it wasn't us, it would have been some other team. He would have been signed yesterday regardless...

Just happy that Drew has another big athletic receiver who's a better blocker than Graham was.(I think)
Well, as I said, we've signed two new tight ends and tendered another...

New Asst Head Coach and TE Coach Dan Campbell will get an opportunity to prove his worth...

hagan714 03-10-2016 08:00 PM
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This is the type of contract i was expecting.

4yr $20 million not 5 yr $36 million

at 7 million the saints could have had some proven commodities. So many other positions were there for the picking OL, DL WR CB LB ect

Coby Fleener is not a proven commodity

So Byrd, Spiller and now Fleener. FA the saints went after and signed at all cost. so far this over paying for FA you really want has not paned out to well.

Pray these guys really step things up and earn their pay checks for a change.

hoping for the best

jonnyrotten 03-11-2016 08:32 AM
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"Pray these guys really step things up and earn their pay checks for a change.

hoping for the best"



You and me both Brother.

rezburna 03-11-2016 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 695459)
I think we used to be with Lofton, Hawthorne, Browner,

Byrd, Vaccaro, Lewis, Breaux, Anthony, Kikaha, Ellerbe, and Jordan are not slow.

Throw in PJ Williams and Davis Tull and we have pretty good speed.

We could definitely use some more speed at OLB and DT/DE, but I wouldn't say were slow anymore.
True. I think Kikiha is slow, but everybody else I agree with.

Supertek 03-11-2016 03:52 PM
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We can't' consistently be almost dead last in every category and continue to ignore the situation. I think it was too much money that will keep us from getting the one or two veterans we need on defense either OLB or interior lineman with push should have been all we were in the market for and drafted at tight end.

Supertek 03-11-2016 04:01 PM
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Jerell Adams TE South Carolina

|Mitch| 03-11-2016 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Supertek (Post 695599)
Jerell Adams TE South Carolina
I'm not impressed by Adams, and Fleener is more athletic who runs an average 4.51 40
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Jerell Adams, TE, South Carolina
Height: 6-5. Weight: 244. Arm: 34. Hand: 8.75.
40 Time: 4.64.
Projected Round (2015): 2-4.
3/5/16: Adams had an excellent combine workout to really help his draft stock. He had the fastest 40 time of any tight end there and showed some nice athleticism in the field work.

Adams took over for Rory Anderson in 2015 and had a good season despite poor quarterback play at South Carolina. Adams totaled 28 catches for 421 yards with three touchdowns on the year. As a junior (21-279-1) and sophomore (13-187-2), he had modest contributions. Adams had a solid week at the Senior Bowl, and given the weak tight end class, he could be drafted earlier than expected.
Bolded is not good; I'd hate to use a high to mid round pick on a TE when there is so much defensive talent this year

WillSaints81 03-11-2016 10:12 PM
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SP saw what I saw he. He's there the whole game, not just the fourth quarter. This deal was needed but it wasn't a emergency. However we were not going to go defense here, and then defense in first two rounds too. You really think SP wants Drew to go through what he went through last year? You can say the offense will be fine with protection but we are relying on Coleman and Josh Hill, sorry. It's not worth the risk.

Defense may win championships but the saints with a good defense and the same offense would have trouble getting HFA or winning the division(as 2013 showed). Oh you thought SP wants to wait until 2017?

FinSaint 03-12-2016 01:24 AM
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The more troubling part is that we really haven't heard any defensive players visiting the Saints since Laurinaitis.

Could it be that defensive FAs are avoiding NOLA and are asking for too much to come there?!

jeanpierre 03-12-2016 08:42 AM
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Every office cooler crowd has one...

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 695305)
My degree is in accounting and I was among the top of my class. I have always understood what he was doing and he is brilliant. The whole ongoing farce of the Saints being in "cap hell" in based upon a totally uneducated media feeding an equally uneducated public.

jeanpierre 03-12-2016 08:50 AM
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Why do I get the feeling that the only word in his vocabulary at this moment is unbelieveable?!?

And, the First thing this newb better understand is to get a different haircut...This isn't Indiana...

|Mitch| 03-12-2016 09:13 AM
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Fleener questions effort of some ex-Colts teammates - NFL.com

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Fleener later told Sirius XM NFL Radio that it was easy to pick the Saints after the Colts made little effort to re-sign him.

"The Colts' lack of interest and the Saints' interest made going to New Orleans an easy choice," Fleener said.

Indy prefers the skill set of the more versatile Dwayne Allen at tight end. As for Fleener, he prefers being wanted by the Saints.

vpheughan 03-12-2016 09:14 AM
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get a different haircut...This isn't Indiana...

Stay off my lawn!!!!

ChrisXVI 03-12-2016 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 695636)
The more troubling part is that we really haven't heard any defensive players visiting the Saints since Laurinaitis.

Could it be that defensive FAs are avoiding NOLA and are asking for too much to come there?!
I think the issue is just that our coaching staff hasn't been in NOLA these past few days. They were at Alabama's pro day, then Clemson's, then Ohio State's... I'm sure we hear some news this weekend before they head to LSU's pro day on Monday.

|Mitch| 03-12-2016 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 695657)
I think the issue is just that our coaching staff hasn't been in NOLA these past few days. They were at Alabama's pro day, then Clemson's, then Ohio State's... I'm sure we hear some news this weekend before they head to LSU's pro day on Monday.
Looks like their going "all-in" with drafting defense

vpheughan 03-12-2016 09:22 AM
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Dwayne Allen can't stay healthy.

WillSaints81 03-12-2016 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 695636)
The more troubling part is that we really haven't heard any defensive players visiting the Saints since Laurinaitis.

Could it be that defensive FAs are avoiding NOLA and are asking for too much to come there?!
That's what I think too. But we're waiting for Brees to restructure after FA starts instead of before it. I think they were outbid for those players and given what deals they signed, it wasn't possible for us to get them. So we may as well have gotten something for the O.

jeanpierre 03-12-2016 10:45 PM
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Coby Fleener says some Colts were “along for the ride” in 2015 | ProFootballTalk

Really don't care for this type of chatty cathy with the media...

You're working to become a Saint now - put that other schiott behind you...

vpheughan 03-13-2016 08:41 AM
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Unless your name is Curtis Lofton and you're talking about the Falcons!

jeanpierre 03-15-2016 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 695724)
Coby Fleener says some Colts were “along for the ride” in 2015 | ProFootballTalk

Really don't care for this type of chatty cathy with the media...

You're working to become a Saint now - put that other schiott behind you...


Forgive my friends for quoting myself, but I wanted to continuing illustrating a point with another link to an article...

But this is exactly the kind of bullshinski, old business I don't like Free Agents bringing to the team...

Jerrell Freeman tees off on Coby Fleener | ProFootballTalk

(excerpt)

...“Fleener, he didn’t have the [guts],’’ Freeman told Kravitz. “That sh-t pisses me off. And he must’ve been looking in the mirror when he did the interview.

“I despise guys like that,” Freeman added. “That’s what little girls do, talk about you when you’re not around. I’m a grown man. If I see something I don’t like, I’m going to go have a face-to-face convo with that player/players and we are going to get an understanding! I feel like I had a hand in building what’s over there [in Indianapolis], so he’s sh-tting on me, too. . . . That’s a ***** move.”

Unfortunately, the Saints and Bears don’t play each other during the 2016 regular season.


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