Fool me once, fool me twice. Not this time.

GumboBC · 03-02-2005, 09:38 AM

The free-agency period gets started today. Some teams don't need a whole lot ... like the Eagles. But, for others, it's an opportunity to really improve their team(s)!

But, what about the New Orleans Saints? Hmmm....

Well, according to Mickey Loomis, the Saints don't need a whole lot and plan to only "target" a few selected veteran players!

Surprising?

Well, it is surprising when we've been told the exact samething for the past 3-years! And when you look at the Saints' record over that period, nothing has changed.

The "master" plan for Loomis in free-agency appears to be signing a right tackle and a safety. And maybe pick up a so-so defensive tackle.

Picking up a RT to replace Victor Riley is a good move and I applaud this team for addressing that problem. And an upgrade for Tebucky Jones is certainly needed. And getting a DT isn't a bad idea.

But these are all moves to fix past mistakes made by THIS organization. Tebucky Jones, Jonathan Sullivan and Victor Riley were all hand picked by Mickey Loomis and Jim Haslett.

Okay, fine ... We all make mistakes! And they appear to be correcting these mistakes this year.

But, even if they do fix these past mistakes .... what then?

Are we anywhere close to being a CHAMPIONSHIP team?

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but isn't that the goal, to be a CHAMPIONSHIP team? Look, this is Haslett's 5th year as head coach of the New Orleans Saints. We should be talking CHAMPIONSHIP team. Not potential playoff team.

Yet, with Mickey Loomis making these kind of statements, it appears he's only willing to fix part of the problem.

Has Loomis forgotten the defense finished 32nd in total defense? How much is a safety and an aging DT gonna improve that ranking?

Is he that comfortable with our linebackers?

I said I was going to judge the Saints 2005 season by what they did in free-agency. So far I don't like the sound of it.

Is it a smoke screen? Probably.....

..... But the smoke screen appears to be designed to get over on the fans....

JOESAM2002 · 03-02-2005, 09:53 AM

Come on Billy. He\'s looking at those last 4 games. After all those are all that matters! :rollinglaugh:

WhoDat · 03-02-2005, 10:00 AM

Hey Billy - you ever consider starting your own line of beach footwear?

2/28/05
So far, I like the direction this team is headed. I like the plan. We\'ll see..........

http://www.blackandgold.net/site/mod...hread&tid=8228

3/2/05
I said I was going to judge the Saints 2005 season by what they did in free-agency. So far I don\'t like the sound of it.

http://www.blackandgold.net/site/mod...hread&tid=8278

There you have it folks. It took 9 hours into the start of FA for billy to \"flip\" his opinion. How long before he begins to argue that the Saints ARE making the right moves? (\"flop\")

Billy Brand Flip Flops - for all your beachware needs.

GumboBC · 03-02-2005, 10:04 AM

LOL.

Flipflop? Hardly.

I give my approval or disapproval based on the reports that come out.

I liked a lot of the things the Saints have done in the offseason. Like simplifying the offense. And getting rid of Victor Riley. And probably replacing Tebucky.

But, I don\'t like the direction we\'re headed in free-agency.

I call \'em like I see \'em.

You, on the other hand ... Well, let\'s just say not much positive ever comes from you.

You\'re Satan\'s little helper ... LMAO!!

[Edited on 2/3/2005 by GumboBC]

Euphoria · 03-02-2005, 10:10 AM

Well makes sense what he has said. They isn\'t a whole lot of cap money for one. Two aside from 3-4 wholes on the team that are HUGE granted there isn\'t much they can do. Howard will be traded, Pathon will be cut. Aside from spending every dime they have in order to make a run at the superbowl this year. We are so screwed next year! Horn and Deuce up for contracts, I see us losing Horn and signing Deuce. We could see the last season Deuce and Horn are in Saints uniforms this coming year if they trade them off next year and start rebuilding.

BlackandBlue · 03-02-2005, 10:29 AM

SIG UPDATE, K?

THNX ><

GumboBC · 03-02-2005, 10:32 AM

SIG UPDATE, K?

THNX ><

OK, I\'ll admit ... that\'s pretty funny... :P

I saw one I was thinking about using.

Said something to the effect of \"You\'re talking about writing hot checks and homosexuals and I\'m the one who needs to be cut\"

LMAO!!

BlackandBlue · 03-02-2005, 10:52 AM

I must also admit, that was a pretty funny thread.

Danno · 03-02-2005, 11:05 AM

I still believe this team has the talent to win it all. BUT not with this staff. This staff will require we be MUCH better talent wise than most other teams. When I look at GLARING weaknesses I don\'t see many. I see most of our players as average to above average, with just a few below average.
But with Haz and Venturi that translates to 8-8. With a quality coaching staff that translate to 10 plus wins and serious playoff contenders.
Here are players that must be upgraded to be able to win consistently
DT-There\'s no one next to Young that can play the 2-gap.
RT-Riley was a bust in 2004.
OLB-Bockwoldt and Allen both looked OK at times, but are easily the weak links. Replacing one of them with a better palyer is crucial.

So I think thats only three GLARING weaknesses with this team\'s starters. By GLARING I mean below average, deficient, not up to par, exploitable.

While upgrading at other positions (SS/FS/LT/TE) would help, I feel the palyers we have there are servicable. But DT/RT/and an OLB (or MLB if we move Watson outside Billy!) are obviously lacking.

GoldenTomb · 03-02-2005, 11:20 AM

It\'s the S.O.S. all over again. We don\'t have many glaring weaknessess. However, this regime is like the homeless hobo at the trash dump, sifting through all of the crap no one else wants and hoping to find some treasure. It will work once in every blue moon(Joe Horn), but most of the time you just end up with smelly genuine trash.

Come to think of it Joe Horn was a Mueller pick, wasn\'t he...

I guess their track record is officially horrible on FAs.

03-02-2005, 09:38 AM	#1
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Fool me once, fool me twice. Not this time. The free-agency period gets started today. Some teams don't need a whole lot ... like the Eagles. But, for others, it's an opportunity to really improve their team(s)! But, what about the New Orleans Saints? Hmmm.... Well, according to Mickey Loomis, the Saints don't need a whole lot and plan to only "target" a few selected veteran players! Surprising? Well, it is surprising when we've been told the exact samething for the past 3-years! And when you look at the Saints' record over that period, nothing has changed. The "master" plan for Loomis in free-agency appears to be signing a right tackle and a safety. And maybe pick up a so-so defensive tackle. Picking up a RT to replace Victor Riley is a good move and I applaud this team for addressing that problem. And an upgrade for Tebucky Jones is certainly needed. And getting a DT isn't a bad idea. But these are all moves to fix past mistakes made by THIS organization. Tebucky Jones, Jonathan Sullivan and Victor Riley were all hand picked by Mickey Loomis and Jim Haslett. Okay, fine ... We all make mistakes! And they appear to be correcting these mistakes this year. But, even if they do fix these past mistakes .... what then? Are we anywhere close to being a CHAMPIONSHIP team? Correct me if I'm wrong here, but isn't that the goal, to be a CHAMPIONSHIP team? Look, this is Haslett's 5th year as head coach of the New Orleans Saints. We should be talking CHAMPIONSHIP team. Not potential playoff team. Yet, with Mickey Loomis making these kind of statements, it appears he's only willing to fix part of the problem. Has Loomis forgotten the defense finished 32nd in total defense? How much is a safety and an aging DT gonna improve that ranking? Is he that comfortable with our linebackers? I said I was going to judge the Saints 2005 season by what they did in free-agency. So far I don't like the sound of it. Is it a smoke screen? Probably..... ..... But the smoke screen appears to be designed to get over on the fans....
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03-02-2005, 09:53 AM	#2
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Fool me once, fool me twice. Not this time. Come on Billy. He\'s looking at those last 4 games. After all those are all that matters! :rollinglaugh:

03-02-2005, 10:00 AM	#3
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Fool me once, fool me twice. Not this time. Hey Billy - you ever consider starting your own line of beach footwear? 2/28/05 So far, I like the direction this team is headed. I like the plan. We\'ll see.......... http://www.blackandgold.net/site/mod...hread&tid=8228 3/2/05 I said I was going to judge the Saints 2005 season by what they did in free-agency. So far I don\'t like the sound of it. http://www.blackandgold.net/site/mod...hread&tid=8278 There you have it folks. It took 9 hours into the start of FA for billy to \"flip\" his opinion. How long before he begins to argue that the Saints ARE making the right moves? (\"flop\") Billy Brand Flip Flops - for all your beachware needs.
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

03-02-2005, 10:04 AM	#4
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Fool me once, fool me twice. Not this time. LOL. Flipflop? Hardly. I give my approval or disapproval based on the reports that come out. I liked a lot of the things the Saints have done in the offseason. Like simplifying the offense. And getting rid of Victor Riley. And probably replacing Tebucky. But, I don\'t like the direction we\'re headed in free-agency. I call \'em like I see \'em. You, on the other hand ... Well, let\'s just say not much positive ever comes from you. You\'re Satan\'s little helper ... LMAO!! [Edited on 2/3/2005 by GumboBC]
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03-02-2005, 10:10 AM	#5
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Fool me once, fool me twice. Not this time. Well makes sense what he has said. They isn\'t a whole lot of cap money for one. Two aside from 3-4 wholes on the team that are HUGE granted there isn\'t much they can do. Howard will be traded, Pathon will be cut. Aside from spending every dime they have in order to make a run at the superbowl this year. We are so screwed next year! Horn and Deuce up for contracts, I see us losing Horn and signing Deuce. We could see the last season Deuce and Horn are in Saints uniforms this coming year if they trade them off next year and start rebuilding.
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03-02-2005, 10:29 AM	#6
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Fool me once, fool me twice. Not this time. SIG UPDATE, K? THNX ><

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GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Fool me once, fool me twice. Not this time. SIG UPDATE, K? THNX >< OK, I\'ll admit ... that\'s pretty funny... :P I saw one I was thinking about using. Said something to the effect of \"You\'re talking about writing hot checks and homosexuals and I\'m the one who needs to be cut\" LMAO!!
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03-02-2005, 10:52 AM	#8
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Fool me once, fool me twice. Not this time. I must also admit, that was a pretty funny thread.

03-02-2005, 11:05 AM	#9
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Fool me once, fool me twice. Not this time. I still believe this team has the talent to win it all. BUT not with this staff. This staff will require we be MUCH better talent wise than most other teams. When I look at GLARING weaknesses I don\'t see many. I see most of our players as average to above average, with just a few below average. But with Haz and Venturi that translates to 8-8. With a quality coaching staff that translate to 10 plus wins and serious playoff contenders. Here are players that must be upgraded to be able to win consistently DT-There\'s no one next to Young that can play the 2-gap. RT-Riley was a bust in 2004. OLB-Bockwoldt and Allen both looked OK at times, but are easily the weak links. Replacing one of them with a better palyer is crucial. So I think thats only three GLARING weaknesses with this team\'s starters. By GLARING I mean below average, deficient, not up to par, exploitable. While upgrading at other positions (SS/FS/LT/TE) would help, I feel the palyers we have there are servicable. But DT/RT/and an OLB (or MLB if we move Watson outside Billy!) are obviously lacking.

03-02-2005, 11:20 AM	#10
GoldenTomb 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 591	Fool me once, fool me twice. Not this time. It\'s the S.O.S. all over again. We don\'t have many glaring weaknessess. However, this regime is like the homeless hobo at the trash dump, sifting through all of the crap no one else wants and hoping to find some treasure. It will work once in every blue moon(Joe Horn), but most of the time you just end up with smelly genuine trash. Come to think of it Joe Horn was a Mueller pick, wasn\'t he... I guess their track record is officially horrible on FAs.
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