Saints coach Payton: 'I hate guns'

WhoDat!656 · 04-11-2016, 09:18 PM

He is also WRONG!

Listen to Sean Payton. Carefully. He’s mad. Sad. Frustrated. Passionate.

“If this opinion in Louisiana is super unpopular,” Payton told USA TODAY Sports in a 33-minute phone conversation on Monday, his first interview since Will Smith’s death, “so be it.”

Saints coach Payton: 'I hate guns'

Danno · 04-11-2016, 09:29 PM

I hate criminals having guns

burningmetal · 04-11-2016, 09:46 PM

That's right Sean, guns fire themselves, cars wreck themselves, drugs insert themselves into people's veins, etc.

Get a grip on reality. Blame the criminals and the evil within them, and stop sounding like a youtube crusader.

|Mitch| · 04-11-2016, 09:51 PM

It seems to have worked for the UK; just sayin'

In the United Kingdom, access by the general public to firearms is tightly controlled by law, although this is less restrictive in Northern Ireland. The United Kingdom has one of the lowest rates of gun homicides in the world.[1] There were 0.05 recorded intentional homicides committed with a firearm per 100,000 inhabitants in the five years to 2011 (15 to 38 people per annum). Gun homicides accounted for 2.4% of all homicides in the year 2011.[2] There is some concern over the availability of illegal firearms.[3][4][5]

Members of the public may own sporting rifles and shotguns, subject to licensing, but handguns were effectively banned after the Dunblane school massacre in 1996. Dunblane was the UK's first and only school shooting. There has been one spree killing since Dunblane, in June 2010.

Police in Great Britain (other than Northern Ireland) are not routinely armed.[6][7][8] Fatal shootings of police are extremely rare; there were three in England and Wales in the eleven-year period from 2000/01 to 2010/11.[9] Armed response units are available to deal with incidents, and around 7,000 police officers have received firearms training.

burningmetal · 04-11-2016, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

It seems to have worked for the UK; just sayin'

And yet the crime rate is quite high in the UK, with murder and rape on the rise. So tell me... Who and what is to blame for that?

If you take away guns, the gun related incidents will naturally decrease. But if Murder, or crime in general isn't being reduced, then what does that say? It says precisely what some of us have said for years. A person who is determined to commit any crime will find a way to do so, unless someone recognizes a threat and stops them. It doesn't matter what weapon they use.

|Mitch| · 04-11-2016, 10:12 PM

Consistent with EU trends,[4] the Crime Survey for England and Wales 2014/2015 figures[5] show that crime in the UK is currently at its lowest level since the CSEW began in 1981, having decreased dramatically from its peak in 1995 and by 27% in the past five years alone. For example, 1.32 million violent crimes were counted in 2014/2015 compared to 4.2 million in 1994/95.

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|Mitch| · 04-11-2016, 10:15 PM

But to say that if hand guns were banned the murder rate would not go down significantly is asinine...

I'd sure rather go up against somebody wielding a knife rather than they pull a gun

burningmetal · 04-12-2016, 01:04 AM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

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This information below would seem to contradict yours, rather starkly.

Violent crime jumps 27 per cent in new figures - Telegraph

And as we consider all of this, let's not forget that the UK isn't nearly as over-populated as America is. If you want to say that you wish guns had never been invented, that's whatever. But since they do exist, until we fix our border problems (which is unlikely to ever happen), we will have illegal weapons and drugs being put into the hands of evil people. Unless you can change humanity, you won't change crime.

voodooido · 04-11-2016, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

It seems to have worked for the UK; just sayin'

Look up their knife murder rate. It alone proves if you intend on killing someone you will find a way. I have a substantial amount of guns in my home. Not one has killed anyone. It has never pointed itself at me. It's a tool used by man....sometimes the wrong way.

OldMaid · 04-16-2016, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

It seems to have worked for the UK; just sayin'

Ok, everyone always brings up The U.K.

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In The United Kingdom of Great Britian, guns are rampant and easy to get. THAT IS for the nobility, aristos, landed gentry, and those on the outer fringe, yet connected, to those in that U.K. class system.

How can you go on hunts without your guns!!

The peasants, I mean, other classes than these people are NOT allowed guns.
Oh. Well, in The United States of America, our laws, etc. do not have that same class system.

Be it wrong, right, whatever your thoughts and feelings are, guns are here to stay and have been since the country was founded.
PROBLEM- criminal justice system. This thug/POS, now being called a gentle giant, Hayes, with a criminal background was a just a case like this waiting to happen. See The Advocate in B.R. for a write up the "gentle giant" from the babershop pals. ReallY PLU-LEEZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Where oh where did I hear the GENTLE GIANT bullshet from before? Oh yeah....
Problem-working harder to get guns out of those who do not need them
( the crazy mother in CT with her troubled son). Rich White woman in rich White area and rich White area of town did not need guns around her son who had issues of Asbergers and/or Autism, etc. She also never needed to show him how to shoot.
Criminals do not need guns. Trying to stop the black market of guns can put some dent in it. Trying to catch those criminals/felons with guns can put some sort of dent in it. Assault weapons, you really do not need those kinds of weapons.
These things, hard to do to stop weapons out the hands of the wrong people.
Yeah, perfect system, only those who can have guns should have them , but who is to say WHO should have guns? Take criminals out of the equation. Lets just say no criminals can get guns. Ok for debating..sake of argument.
Ok, so only law abiding citizens. Ok, well who are they?
That would stop more than half of us here, realy LOL, 99.9 99999 % of us from having a gun. YES it would. Like in THE UNITED KINGDOM, ONLY the wealthy of the nobitlity/aristos/landed gentry and those on the fringe but well connected to these people can have and do have guns.

Ok, I am off my soapbox.

Sorry for rant.

04-11-2016, 09:18 PM	#1
WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,085	Saints coach Payton: 'I hate guns' He is also WRONG! Listen to Sean Payton. Carefully. He’s mad. Sad. Frustrated. Passionate. “If this opinion in Louisiana is super unpopular,” Payton told USA TODAY Sports in a 33-minute phone conversation on Monday, his first interview since Will Smith’s death, “so be it.” Saints coach Payton: 'I hate guns'

04-11-2016, 09:29 PM	#2
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,747	Re: Saints coach Payton: 'I hate guns' I hate criminals having guns SapperSaint, foreverfan, Rugby Saint II and 4 others like this.

04-11-2016, 09:46 PM	#3
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints coach Payton: 'I hate guns' That's right Sean, guns fire themselves, cars wreck themselves, drugs insert themselves into people's veins, etc. Get a grip on reality. Blame the criminals and the evil within them, and stop sounding like a youtube crusader. SapperSaint likes this.

04-11-2016, 09:51 PM	#4
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Saints coach Payton: 'I hate guns' It seems to have worked for the UK; just sayin' In the United Kingdom, access by the general public to firearms is tightly controlled by law, although this is less restrictive in Northern Ireland. The United Kingdom has one of the lowest rates of gun homicides in the world.[1] There were 0.05 recorded intentional homicides committed with a firearm per 100,000 inhabitants in the five years to 2011 (15 to 38 people per annum). Gun homicides accounted for 2.4% of all homicides in the year 2011.[2] There is some concern over the availability of illegal firearms.[3][4][5] Members of the public may own sporting rifles and shotguns, subject to licensing, but handguns were effectively banned after the Dunblane school massacre in 1996. Dunblane was the UK's first and only school shooting. There has been one spree killing since Dunblane, in June 2010. Police in Great Britain (other than Northern Ireland) are not routinely armed.[6][7][8] Fatal shootings of police are extremely rare; there were three in England and Wales in the eleven-year period from 2000/01 to 2010/11.[9] Armed response units are available to deal with incidents, and around 7,000 police officers have received firearms training. Cruize likes this.

04-11-2016, 10:06 PM	#5
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints coach Payton: 'I hate guns' Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| It seems to have worked for the UK; just sayin' And yet the crime rate is quite high in the UK, with murder and rape on the rise. So tell me... Who and what is to blame for that? If you take away guns, the gun related incidents will naturally decrease. But if Murder, or crime in general isn't being reduced, then what does that say? It says precisely what some of us have said for years. A person who is determined to commit any crime will find a way to do so, unless someone recognizes a threat and stops them. It doesn't matter what weapon they use. saintfan and SapperSaint like this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

04-11-2016, 10:12 PM	#6
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Saints coach Payton: 'I hate guns' Consistent with EU trends,[4] the Crime Survey for England and Wales 2014/2015 figures[5] show that crime in the UK is currently at its lowest level since the CSEW began in 1981, having decreased dramatically from its peak in 1995 and by 27% in the past five years alone. For example, 1.32 million violent crimes were counted in 2014/2015 compared to 4.2 million in 1994/95. . UK_WhoDat and ScottF like this.

04-11-2016, 10:15 PM	#7
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Saints coach Payton: 'I hate guns' But to say that if hand guns were banned the murder rate would not go down significantly is asinine... I'd sure rather go up against somebody wielding a knife rather than they pull a gun RailBoss likes this.

04-12-2016, 01:04 AM	#8
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints coach Payton: 'I hate guns' Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| . This information below would seem to contradict yours, rather starkly. Violent crime jumps 27 per cent in new figures - Telegraph And as we consider all of this, let's not forget that the UK isn't nearly as over-populated as America is. If you want to say that you wish guns had never been invented, that's whatever. But since they do exist, until we fix our border problems (which is unlikely to ever happen), we will have illegal weapons and drugs being put into the hands of evil people. Unless you can change humanity, you won't change crime. jnormand, SapperSaint and mleg1972 like this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

04-11-2016, 10:12 PM	#9
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,819	Re: Saints coach Payton: 'I hate guns' Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| It seems to have worked for the UK; just sayin' Look up their knife murder rate. It alone proves if you intend on killing someone you will find a way. I have a substantial amount of guns in my home. Not one has killed anyone. It has never pointed itself at me. It's a tool used by man....sometimes the wrong way.
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,819

04-16-2016, 05:05 PM	#10
OldMaid Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,917 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints coach Payton: 'I hate guns' Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| It seems to have worked for the UK; just sayin' Ok, everyone always brings up The U.K. WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In The United Kingdom of Great Britian, guns are rampant and easy to get. THAT IS for the nobility, aristos, landed gentry, and those on the outer fringe, yet connected, to those in that U.K. class system. How can you go on hunts without your guns!! The peasants, I mean, other classes than these people are NOT allowed guns. Oh. Well, in The United States of America, our laws, etc. do not have that same class system. Be it wrong, right, whatever your thoughts and feelings are, guns are here to stay and have been since the country was founded. PROBLEM- criminal justice system. This thug/POS, now being called a gentle giant, Hayes, with a criminal background was a just a case like this waiting to happen. See The Advocate in B.R. for a write up the "gentle giant" from the babershop pals. ReallY PLU-LEEZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Where oh where did I hear the GENTLE GIANT bullshet from before? Oh yeah.... Problem-working harder to get guns out of those who do not need them ( the crazy mother in CT with her troubled son). Rich White woman in rich White area and rich White area of town did not need guns around her son who had issues of Asbergers and/or Autism, etc. She also never needed to show him how to shoot. Criminals do not need guns. Trying to stop the black market of guns can put some dent in it. Trying to catch those criminals/felons with guns can put some sort of dent in it. Assault weapons, you really do not need those kinds of weapons. These things, hard to do to stop weapons out the hands of the wrong people. Yeah, perfect system, only those who can have guns should have them , but who is to say WHO should have guns? Take criminals out of the equation. Lets just say no criminals can get guns. Ok for debating..sake of argument. Ok, so only law abiding citizens. Ok, well who are they? That would stop more than half of us here, realy LOL, 99.9 99999 % of us from having a gun. YES it would. Like in THE UNITED KINGDOM, ONLY the wealthy of the nobitlity/aristos/landed gentry and those on the fringe but well connected to these people can have and do have guns. Ok, I am off my soapbox. Sorry for rant. hagan714, skymike and SloMotion like this.

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