Saints coach Payton: 'I hate guns'

Euphoria · 04-12-2016, 06:21 AM

I am quickly turning the corner on gun control.

The amendment isn't being what it was designed for. It was suppose to protect the citizens from our own government. That has come and passed, you don't see citizens with air craft carriers and F-18's in their back yards?

The problem with so many guns on the streets is that some knuckle head pisses off another knuckle head and we have a gun fight in your neighbor hood where an innocent kid sleeping in bed gets shot or a traffic accident just pull out your gun and shoot someone in the back because you're pissed. This is what our country has come to. It isn't safe and its nothing to be proud of.

burningmetal · 04-12-2016, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

I am quickly turning the corner on gun control.

The amendment isn't being what it was designed for. It was suppose to protect the citizens from our own government. That has come and passed, you don't see citizens with air craft carriers and F-18's in their back yards?

The problem with so many guns on the streets is that some knuckle head pisses off another knuckle head and we have a gun fight in your neighbor hood where an innocent kid sleeping in bed gets shot or a traffic accident just pull out your gun and shoot someone in the back because you're pissed. This is what our country has come to. It isn't safe and its nothing to be proud of.

There is no argument against the violence being committed. It IS senseless and tragic. But, in my opinion, it's a sign of the times and not of the means used to commit these crimes. Gun or no gun, why would you want to kill someone who's done nothing to you? If a person is that demented, what difference does it make if they have a gun, or a license to own one? I doubt most criminals have even bought a gun legally. They get it second hand, which renders stricter gun laws useless.

Most importantly, in terms of what you said about the right to own guns being meant to protect ourselves from our government... It has always been my belief that removing guns from the public so that we CANNOT defend ourselves from our government has been the mission of Big Brother. People aren't just going to give up their rights, so it takes a lot of public pressure to start the process of removing said rights.

We have more than enough military force to put an end to the border problem. But that stone would only kill one bird. Turning Americans against each other until they "force the hand" of the government, is a much better plan.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, and don't claim that this is absolute fact, but I fully believe it is a very real and present danger that many Americans are blind to. They won't even consider the possibility.

saintfan · 04-12-2016, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

I am quickly turning the corner on gun control.

The amendment isn't being what it was designed for. It was suppose to protect the citizens from our own government. That has come and passed, you don't see citizens with air craft carriers and F-18's in their back yards?

The problem with so many guns on the streets is that some knuckle head pisses off another knuckle head and we have a gun fight in your neighbor hood where an innocent kid sleeping in bed gets shot or a traffic accident just pull out your gun and shoot someone in the back because you're pissed. This is what our country has come to. It isn't safe and its nothing to be proud of.

It isn't a gun problem. That's just what they spin. It isn't an amendment issue. It is working just as it should. It isn't just there to overthrow the government if ever necessary. It is also there to defend the country. Japan’s Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto is rumored to have said: "You cannot invade mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass."

Did he really say that? True or not I have no idea, but I wouldn't doubt it.

People with MENTAL HEALTH issues shouldn't own guns. It is the elephant in the room, only nobody can get a vote for saying it out loud so nobody does.

voodooido · 04-12-2016, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

I am quickly turning the corner on gun control.

The amendment isn't being what it was designed for. It was suppose to protect the citizens from our own government. That has come and passed, you don't see citizens with air craft carriers and F-18's in their back yards?

The problem with so many guns on the streets is that some knuckle head pisses off another knuckle head and we have a gun fight in your neighbor hood where an innocent kid sleeping in bed gets shot or a traffic accident just pull out your gun and shoot someone in the back because you're pissed. This is what our country has come to. It isn't safe and its nothing to be proud of.

The deaths by ILLEGAL guns out number legal guns 10-1. My gun has never killed someone. My car has never ran somone over and my fork did not make me fat. It's the person. Don't punish me for their crimes.

neugey · 04-12-2016, 07:08 AM

I read (couldn't find the audio) the highlights of what Sean Payton said and I don't find it that inflammatory. He's speaking his mind about how he feels about guns. He's hurting right now. He's not simply repeating far-left sound bytes, which I respect. He's not saying they should come get everyone's guns a week from tomorrow. I'm cutting him some slack, at least for the time being.

I think addressing culture and mental health are the main issue, but I also think improved background checks for guns would help. If you're in a big hurry to get a gun and can't wait for a background check - not a good sign.

I support sensible 2A rights but I don't care for the NRA. They cloak themselves in 2A rights and their concern for the common man to defend themselves, but really it's all about the sale and movement of firearms and the easy money generated for them.

hagan714 · 04-12-2016, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by neugey

I think addressing culture and mental health are the main issue, but I also think improved background checks for guns would help. If you're in a big hurry to get a gun and can't wait for a background check - not a good sign.

Great point. But Laws are in place now that keep those mental health records locked away. Same goes for most felony records.

Next time you fill out an application for a job you will soon notice the question of a felony record is no longer there. It happened to me and when I went to the interview I asked them if they can guarantee myself safety at work since they do not check felony records any more and the would not answer the question. I said no thank you and walked out.

This was the brain child of the Obama administration, Hillary Clinton and the democratic party back when they controlled Washington.

It was the indirect effect of the democrats stopping the trail of Guantanamo Bay detainees based of their confessions. Now they can pray in court and be giving creature comforts and more importantly rights they did not have before. This was inside that same crime bill.

Besides Obama has made illegal guns sales a non violent felony offense since the day he opened the cell gates freed felonies he claimed were not dangerous. Grant some should have been freed but a good number of them just rewrote the criminal justice system with there release. Crack is also no more dangerous than powder cocaine.

Yet another bill of goods sold to the American people. Washington, the states and a lack of common sense is to blame. Lawyers writing laws and voting on those same laws to perpetuate their own professions income should be illegal.

People are responsible for their own actions. Politicians especially should be held to this same standard.

rezburna · 04-12-2016, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Great point. But Laws are in place now that keep those mental health records locked away. Same goes for most felony records.

Next time you fill out an application for a job you will soon notice the question of a felony record is no longer there. It happened to me and when I went to the interview I asked them if they can guarantee myself safety at work since they do not check felony records any more and the would not answer the question. I said no thank you and walked out.

This was the brain child of the Obama administration, Hillary Clinton and the democratic party back when they controlled Washington.

It was the indirect effect of the democrats stopping the trail of Guantanamo Bay detainees based of their confessions. Now they can pray in court and be giving creature comforts and more importantly rights they did not have before. This was inside that same crime bill.

Besides Obama has made illegal guns sales a non violent felony offense since the day he opened the cell gates freed felonies he claimed were not dangerous. Grant some should have been freed but a good number of them just rewrote the criminal justice system with there release. Crack is also no more dangerous than powder cocaine.

Yet another bill of goods sold to the American people. Washington, the states and a lack of common sense is to blame. Lawyers writing laws and voting on those same laws to perpetuate their own professions income should be illegal.

People are responsible for their own actions. Politicians especially should be held to this same standard.

They're just trying to find a way to keep convicted felons from being discriminated against when it comes to employment. Many are continously punished for their crimes long after they pay their debt to society. However, murder, rape, and child molestation should always have to be reported to potential employeers.

hagan714 · 04-12-2016, 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

They're just trying to find a way to keep convicted felons from being discriminated against when it comes to employment. Many are continously punished for their crimes long after they pay their debt to society. However, murder, rape, and child molestation should always have to be reported to potential employeers.

common sense is not allowed.

rezburna · 04-12-2016, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

common sense is not allowed.

No arguing with that.

neugey · 04-12-2016, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Great point. But Laws are in place now that keep those mental health records locked away. Same goes for most felony records.

Next time you fill out an application for a job you will soon notice the question of a felony record is no longer there. It happened to me and when I went to the interview I asked them if they can guarantee myself safety at work since they do not check felony records any more and the would not answer the question. I said no thank you and walked out.

This was the brain child of the Obama administration, Hillary Clinton and the democratic party back when they controlled Washington.

It was the indirect effect of the democrats stopping the trail of Guantanamo Bay detainees based of their confessions. Now they can pray in court and be giving creature comforts and more importantly rights they did not have before. This was inside that same crime bill.

I was not aware of employers being no longer able to ask "Have You Been Convicted of a Felony" ... that is flat out wrong and dangerous. Of all the lawless things Obama has done, this one goes near the top of the list. I am steamed.

04-12-2016, 06:21 AM	#1
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints coach Payton: 'I hate guns' I am quickly turning the corner on gun control. The amendment isn't being what it was designed for. It was suppose to protect the citizens from our own government. That has come and passed, you don't see citizens with air craft carriers and F-18's in their back yards? The problem with so many guns on the streets is that some knuckle head pisses off another knuckle head and we have a gun fight in your neighbor hood where an innocent kid sleeping in bed gets shot or a traffic accident just pull out your gun and shoot someone in the back because you're pissed. This is what our country has come to. It isn't safe and its nothing to be proud of. canucksaint, neugey, RailBoss and 1 others like this.
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04-12-2016, 11:51 AM	#2
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints coach Payton: 'I hate guns' Originally Posted by Euphoria I am quickly turning the corner on gun control. The amendment isn't being what it was designed for. It was suppose to protect the citizens from our own government. That has come and passed, you don't see citizens with air craft carriers and F-18's in their back yards? The problem with so many guns on the streets is that some knuckle head pisses off another knuckle head and we have a gun fight in your neighbor hood where an innocent kid sleeping in bed gets shot or a traffic accident just pull out your gun and shoot someone in the back because you're pissed. This is what our country has come to. It isn't safe and its nothing to be proud of. There is no argument against the violence being committed. It IS senseless and tragic. But, in my opinion, it's a sign of the times and not of the means used to commit these crimes. Gun or no gun, why would you want to kill someone who's done nothing to you? If a person is that demented, what difference does it make if they have a gun, or a license to own one? I doubt most criminals have even bought a gun legally. They get it second hand, which renders stricter gun laws useless. Most importantly, in terms of what you said about the right to own guns being meant to protect ourselves from our government... It has always been my belief that removing guns from the public so that we CANNOT defend ourselves from our government has been the mission of Big Brother. People aren't just going to give up their rights, so it takes a lot of public pressure to start the process of removing said rights. We have more than enough military force to put an end to the border problem. But that stone would only kill one bird. Turning Americans against each other until they "force the hand" of the government, is a much better plan. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, and don't claim that this is absolute fact, but I fully believe it is a very real and present danger that many Americans are blind to. They won't even consider the possibility. hagan714 and frydaddy like this.
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04-12-2016, 12:12 PM	#3
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints coach Payton: 'I hate guns' Originally Posted by Euphoria I am quickly turning the corner on gun control. The amendment isn't being what it was designed for. It was suppose to protect the citizens from our own government. That has come and passed, you don't see citizens with air craft carriers and F-18's in their back yards? The problem with so many guns on the streets is that some knuckle head pisses off another knuckle head and we have a gun fight in your neighbor hood where an innocent kid sleeping in bed gets shot or a traffic accident just pull out your gun and shoot someone in the back because you're pissed. This is what our country has come to. It isn't safe and its nothing to be proud of. It isn't a gun problem. That's just what they spin. It isn't an amendment issue. It is working just as it should. It isn't just there to overthrow the government if ever necessary. It is also there to defend the country. Japan’s Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto is rumored to have said: "You cannot invade mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass." Did he really say that? True or not I have no idea, but I wouldn't doubt it. People with MENTAL HEALTH issues shouldn't own guns. It is the elephant in the room, only nobody can get a vote for saying it out loud so nobody does. Danno, hagan714, WhoDat!656 and 2 others like this.
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04-12-2016, 12:56 PM	#4
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,839	Re: Saints coach Payton: 'I hate guns' Originally Posted by Euphoria I am quickly turning the corner on gun control. The amendment isn't being what it was designed for. It was suppose to protect the citizens from our own government. That has come and passed, you don't see citizens with air craft carriers and F-18's in their back yards? The problem with so many guns on the streets is that some knuckle head pisses off another knuckle head and we have a gun fight in your neighbor hood where an innocent kid sleeping in bed gets shot or a traffic accident just pull out your gun and shoot someone in the back because you're pissed. This is what our country has come to. It isn't safe and its nothing to be proud of. The deaths by ILLEGAL guns out number legal guns 10-1. My gun has never killed someone. My car has never ran somone over and my fork did not make me fat. It's the person. Don't punish me for their crimes. Danno likes this.
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04-12-2016, 07:08 AM	#5
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,853 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Saints coach Payton: 'I hate guns' I read (couldn't find the audio) the highlights of what Sean Payton said and I don't find it that inflammatory. He's speaking his mind about how he feels about guns. He's hurting right now. He's not simply repeating far-left sound bytes, which I respect. He's not saying they should come get everyone's guns a week from tomorrow. I'm cutting him some slack, at least for the time being. I think addressing culture and mental health are the main issue, but I also think improved background checks for guns would help. If you're in a big hurry to get a gun and can't wait for a background check - not a good sign. I support sensible 2A rights but I don't care for the NRA. They cloak themselves in 2A rights and their concern for the common man to defend themselves, but really it's all about the sale and movement of firearms and the easy money generated for them. OldMaid and rezburna like this.

04-12-2016, 07:49 AM	#6
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Saints coach Payton: 'I hate guns' Originally Posted by neugey I think addressing culture and mental health are the main issue, but I also think improved background checks for guns would help. If you're in a big hurry to get a gun and can't wait for a background check - not a good sign. Great point. But Laws are in place now that keep those mental health records locked away. Same goes for most felony records. Next time you fill out an application for a job you will soon notice the question of a felony record is no longer there. It happened to me and when I went to the interview I asked them if they can guarantee myself safety at work since they do not check felony records any more and the would not answer the question. I said no thank you and walked out. This was the brain child of the Obama administration, Hillary Clinton and the democratic party back when they controlled Washington. It was the indirect effect of the democrats stopping the trail of Guantanamo Bay detainees based of their confessions. Now they can pray in court and be giving creature comforts and more importantly rights they did not have before. This was inside that same crime bill. Besides Obama has made illegal guns sales a non violent felony offense since the day he opened the cell gates freed felonies he claimed were not dangerous. Grant some should have been freed but a good number of them just rewrote the criminal justice system with there release. Crack is also no more dangerous than powder cocaine. Yet another bill of goods sold to the American people. Washington, the states and a lack of common sense is to blame. Lawyers writing laws and voting on those same laws to perpetuate their own professions income should be illegal. People are responsible for their own actions. Politicians especially should be held to this same standard.
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04-12-2016, 08:14 AM	#7
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,086	Re: Saints coach Payton: 'I hate guns' Originally Posted by hagan714 Great point. But Laws are in place now that keep those mental health records locked away. Same goes for most felony records. Next time you fill out an application for a job you will soon notice the question of a felony record is no longer there. It happened to me and when I went to the interview I asked them if they can guarantee myself safety at work since they do not check felony records any more and the would not answer the question. I said no thank you and walked out. This was the brain child of the Obama administration, Hillary Clinton and the democratic party back when they controlled Washington. It was the indirect effect of the democrats stopping the trail of Guantanamo Bay detainees based of their confessions. Now they can pray in court and be giving creature comforts and more importantly rights they did not have before. This was inside that same crime bill. Besides Obama has made illegal guns sales a non violent felony offense since the day he opened the cell gates freed felonies he claimed were not dangerous. Grant some should have been freed but a good number of them just rewrote the criminal justice system with there release. Crack is also no more dangerous than powder cocaine. Yet another bill of goods sold to the American people. Washington, the states and a lack of common sense is to blame. Lawyers writing laws and voting on those same laws to perpetuate their own professions income should be illegal. People are responsible for their own actions. Politicians especially should be held to this same standard. They're just trying to find a way to keep convicted felons from being discriminated against when it comes to employment. Many are continously punished for their crimes long after they pay their debt to society. However, murder, rape, and child molestation should always have to be reported to potential employeers. SapperSaint, hagan714 and OldMaid like this.

04-12-2016, 08:42 AM	#8
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Saints coach Payton: 'I hate guns' Originally Posted by rezburna They're just trying to find a way to keep convicted felons from being discriminated against when it comes to employment. Many are continously punished for their crimes long after they pay their debt to society. However, murder, rape, and child molestation should always have to be reported to potential employeers. common sense is not allowed. OldMaid and rezburna like this.

04-12-2016, 08:49 AM	#9
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,086	Re: Saints coach Payton: 'I hate guns' Originally Posted by hagan714 common sense is not allowed. No arguing with that. hagan714 likes this.

04-12-2016, 12:21 PM	#10
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,853 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Saints coach Payton: 'I hate guns' Originally Posted by hagan714 Great point. But Laws are in place now that keep those mental health records locked away. Same goes for most felony records. Next time you fill out an application for a job you will soon notice the question of a felony record is no longer there. It happened to me and when I went to the interview I asked them if they can guarantee myself safety at work since they do not check felony records any more and the would not answer the question. I said no thank you and walked out. This was the brain child of the Obama administration, Hillary Clinton and the democratic party back when they controlled Washington. It was the indirect effect of the democrats stopping the trail of Guantanamo Bay detainees based of their confessions. Now they can pray in court and be giving creature comforts and more importantly rights they did not have before. This was inside that same crime bill. I was not aware of employers being no longer able to ask "Have You Been Convicted of a Felony" ... that is flat out wrong and dangerous. Of all the lawless things Obama has done, this one goes near the top of the list. I am steamed. hagan714 likes this.

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