Saints coach Payton: 'I hate guns'

73Saint · 04-12-2016, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by saintfan

I hate guns too. I don't like the sound, the kick, and the smell, and the weight, and anything else about them. Everybody in my family hunts but me. Hate 'em. Always have. Fired a few when I was younger. Pistols. Shotguns. Rifles. Hate 'em all.

But I have NO PROBLEM with other people owning them. I guess that's the difference between me and the 'do what we say' crowd.

I do hate 'em tho. And I'll eat anything you can kill with one. LOL

As a gun owner, and avid hunter, I appreciate this thought process. Not everyone has to like, or own a gun. But it doesn't mean those of us that do, shouldn't. And it also CERTAINLY doesn't mean that just because I do, you should!

foreverfan · 04-12-2016, 11:20 AM

Who cares about the guns? I want to give 73Saint's avatar a work out.

Seriously... Just remember the difference between Britian and the USA is we are citizens had have guns... they are Subjects.

burningmetal · 04-12-2016, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by Cruize

With the ease of getting guns in this country, legally and illegally, there's never going to be a "fix" to the problem of gun violence. There's also never going to be a "fix" to a terrorist blowing themselves up if they choose to do so. So what do we do? The ideas floated around range from doing nothing at all, arming everyone, all the way up to martial law. Doing nothing accepts it. Arming everyone is insane. And martial law of course will never fly. Thus, here we are.

You're exactly right. And that's always been, and always will be the problem. There isn't a "fix". The only thing you can do is be vigilant as citizens, and law enforcement has to do everything in their power to identify threats, short of randomly breaking into homes without a warrant to find suspects.

Unfortunately the government hinders law enforcement's ability to keep on top of things when we are being bombarded by illegal aliens, and nothing is legitimately being done to stop it.

That's why I consider the anger toward guns to be misguided. People need to recognize that our government does not have our best interests in mind, and lack of "proper" gun laws are only a fraction of the problem. There are drugs being brought in. You have widespread poverty, leading to desperation, which often leads to crime. All of these things trace back to irresponsibility, and downright neglect, by our government. We're in a generation full of uninformed people who will believe any lie that gives them hope. This whole anti-gun movement is just the latest rhetoric to get our attention away from the heart our problems.

It's truly sad to watch this country fall apart at the seams.

burningmetal · 04-12-2016, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

I am quickly turning the corner on gun control.

The amendment isn't being what it was designed for. It was suppose to protect the citizens from our own government. That has come and passed, you don't see citizens with air craft carriers and F-18's in their back yards?

The problem with so many guns on the streets is that some knuckle head pisses off another knuckle head and we have a gun fight in your neighbor hood where an innocent kid sleeping in bed gets shot or a traffic accident just pull out your gun and shoot someone in the back because you're pissed. This is what our country has come to. It isn't safe and its nothing to be proud of.

There is no argument against the violence being committed. It IS senseless and tragic. But, in my opinion, it's a sign of the times and not of the means used to commit these crimes. Gun or no gun, why would you want to kill someone who's done nothing to you? If a person is that demented, what difference does it make if they have a gun, or a license to own one? I doubt most criminals have even bought a gun legally. They get it second hand, which renders stricter gun laws useless.

Most importantly, in terms of what you said about the right to own guns being meant to protect ourselves from our government... It has always been my belief that removing guns from the public so that we CANNOT defend ourselves from our government has been the mission of Big Brother. People aren't just going to give up their rights, so it takes a lot of public pressure to start the process of removing said rights.

We have more than enough military force to put an end to the border problem. But that stone would only kill one bird. Turning Americans against each other until they "force the hand" of the government, is a much better plan.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, and don't claim that this is absolute fact, but I fully believe it is a very real and present danger that many Americans are blind to. They won't even consider the possibility.

saintfan · 04-12-2016, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

I am quickly turning the corner on gun control.

The amendment isn't being what it was designed for. It was suppose to protect the citizens from our own government. That has come and passed, you don't see citizens with air craft carriers and F-18's in their back yards?

The problem with so many guns on the streets is that some knuckle head pisses off another knuckle head and we have a gun fight in your neighbor hood where an innocent kid sleeping in bed gets shot or a traffic accident just pull out your gun and shoot someone in the back because you're pissed. This is what our country has come to. It isn't safe and its nothing to be proud of.

It isn't a gun problem. That's just what they spin. It isn't an amendment issue. It is working just as it should. It isn't just there to overthrow the government if ever necessary. It is also there to defend the country. Japan’s Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto is rumored to have said: "You cannot invade mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass."

Did he really say that? True or not I have no idea, but I wouldn't doubt it.

People with MENTAL HEALTH issues shouldn't own guns. It is the elephant in the room, only nobody can get a vote for saying it out loud so nobody does.

neugey · 04-12-2016, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Great point. But Laws are in place now that keep those mental health records locked away. Same goes for most felony records.

Next time you fill out an application for a job you will soon notice the question of a felony record is no longer there. It happened to me and when I went to the interview I asked them if they can guarantee myself safety at work since they do not check felony records any more and the would not answer the question. I said no thank you and walked out.

This was the brain child of the Obama administration, Hillary Clinton and the democratic party back when they controlled Washington.

It was the indirect effect of the democrats stopping the trail of Guantanamo Bay detainees based of their confessions. Now they can pray in court and be giving creature comforts and more importantly rights they did not have before. This was inside that same crime bill.

I was not aware of employers being no longer able to ask "Have You Been Convicted of a Felony" ... that is flat out wrong and dangerous. Of all the lawless things Obama has done, this one goes near the top of the list. I am steamed.

Rugby Saint II · 04-12-2016, 01:43 PM

I grew up in the NRA. It is my right to bear arms as an American. I hate that people confuse guns with motive.

voodooido · 04-12-2016, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

I am quickly turning the corner on gun control.

The amendment isn't being what it was designed for. It was suppose to protect the citizens from our own government. That has come and passed, you don't see citizens with air craft carriers and F-18's in their back yards?

The problem with so many guns on the streets is that some knuckle head pisses off another knuckle head and we have a gun fight in your neighbor hood where an innocent kid sleeping in bed gets shot or a traffic accident just pull out your gun and shoot someone in the back because you're pissed. This is what our country has come to. It isn't safe and its nothing to be proud of.

The deaths by ILLEGAL guns out number legal guns 10-1. My gun has never killed someone. My car has never ran somone over and my fork did not make me fat. It's the person. Don't punish me for their crimes.

Danno · 04-12-2016, 02:00 PM

IIRC America includes suicides in their gun violence statistics. Many other countries do not.

I also remember reading the vast majority of gun deaths are indeed suicides.

SloMotion · 04-12-2016, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

... My concern is eradicating the conditions that most often lead to violent crime.

I agree with you in theory, but probably not on the definition of "conditions", #shrug. This is every day in Detroit ... two guys (or a gal) got beef, one goes gets a gun and shoots up the place ... kids parties, family gatherings, at the mall, at the gas station, at the party store, on the block, in the house, while driving or just sitting in a car ... doesn't matter. The only reason this makes the news is because an NFL player is involved, and that condition has to change.

88% or more of young, Black men homicides are committed by other Black men ... that's the condition that has to change, IMO, that and the condition where we glorify "thug life" and perpetuate a culture of violence, that and the denial that this is purely a societal issue and also not a cultural one, #shrug. Everybody got to be an OG, #smh.

One guy was driving a Hummer, one guy a Mercedes ... I don't think poverty's necessarily a contributing condition in this situation. Both these guys had an education (Smith just completed his MBA?) ... I don't think you can pin it on lack of educational opportunities. Both guys were employed playing football, so it's not a lack of employment opportunities. If anything, I'd say both these guys took advantage of the opportunities afforded them and could reasonably be considered success stories, #shrug. The fact the shooter called 911, remained on the scene, had a registered firearm also speaks volumes, this guy wasn't the product of poor upbringing or social issues ... "lack of playgrounds" or whatever condition-of-the-week is going around wasn't the root cause behind this shooting, IMO.

I can't tell you how much I hate this shiot, reading about it, seeing it on the news every night ... it's just senseless,

.

My heart and my sincerest condolences go out to Saints Nation and all families involved,

.

04-12-2016, 10:52 AM	#31
73Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NOLA Posts: 2,336	Re: Saints coach Payton: 'I hate guns' Originally Posted by saintfan I hate guns too. I don't like the sound, the kick, and the smell, and the weight, and anything else about them. Everybody in my family hunts but me. Hate 'em. Always have. Fired a few when I was younger. Pistols. Shotguns. Rifles. Hate 'em all. But I have NO PROBLEM with other people owning them. I guess that's the difference between me and the 'do what we say' crowd. I do hate 'em tho. And I'll eat anything you can kill with one. LOL As a gun owner, and avid hunter, I appreciate this thought process. Not everyone has to like, or own a gun. But it doesn't mean those of us that do, shouldn't. And it also CERTAINLY doesn't mean that just because I do, you should! saintfan and ScottF like this.

04-12-2016, 11:20 AM	#32
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints coach Payton: 'I hate guns' Who cares about the guns? I want to give 73Saint's avatar a work out. Seriously... Just remember the difference between Britian and the USA is we are citizens had have guns... they are Subjects. hagan714, 73Saint and OldMaid like this.

04-12-2016, 12:23 PM	#33
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints coach Payton: 'I hate guns' Originally Posted by Cruize With the ease of getting guns in this country, legally and illegally, there's never going to be a "fix" to the problem of gun violence. There's also never going to be a "fix" to a terrorist blowing themselves up if they choose to do so. So what do we do? The ideas floated around range from doing nothing at all, arming everyone, all the way up to martial law. Doing nothing accepts it. Arming everyone is insane. And martial law of course will never fly. Thus, here we are. You're exactly right. And that's always been, and always will be the problem. There isn't a "fix". The only thing you can do is be vigilant as citizens, and law enforcement has to do everything in their power to identify threats, short of randomly breaking into homes without a warrant to find suspects. Unfortunately the government hinders law enforcement's ability to keep on top of things when we are being bombarded by illegal aliens, and nothing is legitimately being done to stop it. That's why I consider the anger toward guns to be misguided. People need to recognize that our government does not have our best interests in mind, and lack of "proper" gun laws are only a fraction of the problem. There are drugs being brought in. You have widespread poverty, leading to desperation, which often leads to crime. All of these things trace back to irresponsibility, and downright neglect, by our government. We're in a generation full of uninformed people who will believe any lie that gives them hope. This whole anti-gun movement is just the latest rhetoric to get our attention away from the heart our problems. It's truly sad to watch this country fall apart at the seams. hagan714 and OldMaid like this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

04-12-2016, 12:51 PM	#34
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints coach Payton: 'I hate guns' Originally Posted by Euphoria I am quickly turning the corner on gun control. The amendment isn't being what it was designed for. It was suppose to protect the citizens from our own government. That has come and passed, you don't see citizens with air craft carriers and F-18's in their back yards? The problem with so many guns on the streets is that some knuckle head pisses off another knuckle head and we have a gun fight in your neighbor hood where an innocent kid sleeping in bed gets shot or a traffic accident just pull out your gun and shoot someone in the back because you're pissed. This is what our country has come to. It isn't safe and its nothing to be proud of. There is no argument against the violence being committed. It IS senseless and tragic. But, in my opinion, it's a sign of the times and not of the means used to commit these crimes. Gun or no gun, why would you want to kill someone who's done nothing to you? If a person is that demented, what difference does it make if they have a gun, or a license to own one? I doubt most criminals have even bought a gun legally. They get it second hand, which renders stricter gun laws useless. Most importantly, in terms of what you said about the right to own guns being meant to protect ourselves from our government... It has always been my belief that removing guns from the public so that we CANNOT defend ourselves from our government has been the mission of Big Brother. People aren't just going to give up their rights, so it takes a lot of public pressure to start the process of removing said rights. We have more than enough military force to put an end to the border problem. But that stone would only kill one bird. Turning Americans against each other until they "force the hand" of the government, is a much better plan. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, and don't claim that this is absolute fact, but I fully believe it is a very real and present danger that many Americans are blind to. They won't even consider the possibility. hagan714 and frydaddy like this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

04-12-2016, 01:12 PM	#35
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints coach Payton: 'I hate guns' Originally Posted by Euphoria I am quickly turning the corner on gun control. The amendment isn't being what it was designed for. It was suppose to protect the citizens from our own government. That has come and passed, you don't see citizens with air craft carriers and F-18's in their back yards? The problem with so many guns on the streets is that some knuckle head pisses off another knuckle head and we have a gun fight in your neighbor hood where an innocent kid sleeping in bed gets shot or a traffic accident just pull out your gun and shoot someone in the back because you're pissed. This is what our country has come to. It isn't safe and its nothing to be proud of. It isn't a gun problem. That's just what they spin. It isn't an amendment issue. It is working just as it should. It isn't just there to overthrow the government if ever necessary. It is also there to defend the country. Japan’s Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto is rumored to have said: "You cannot invade mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass." Did he really say that? True or not I have no idea, but I wouldn't doubt it. People with MENTAL HEALTH issues shouldn't own guns. It is the elephant in the room, only nobody can get a vote for saying it out loud so nobody does. Danno, hagan714, WhoDat!656 and 2 others like this.
	C'mon Man...

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04-12-2016, 01:21 PM	#36
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,720 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Saints coach Payton: 'I hate guns' Originally Posted by hagan714 Great point. But Laws are in place now that keep those mental health records locked away. Same goes for most felony records. Next time you fill out an application for a job you will soon notice the question of a felony record is no longer there. It happened to me and when I went to the interview I asked them if they can guarantee myself safety at work since they do not check felony records any more and the would not answer the question. I said no thank you and walked out. This was the brain child of the Obama administration, Hillary Clinton and the democratic party back when they controlled Washington. It was the indirect effect of the democrats stopping the trail of Guantanamo Bay detainees based of their confessions. Now they can pray in court and be giving creature comforts and more importantly rights they did not have before. This was inside that same crime bill. I was not aware of employers being no longer able to ask "Have You Been Convicted of a Felony" ... that is flat out wrong and dangerous. Of all the lawless things Obama has done, this one goes near the top of the list. I am steamed. hagan714 likes this.

04-12-2016, 01:43 PM	#37
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: Saints coach Payton: 'I hate guns' I grew up in the NRA. It is my right to bear arms as an American. I hate that people confuse guns with motive. jnormand, hagan714 and voodooido like this.

04-12-2016, 01:56 PM	#38
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,770	Re: Saints coach Payton: 'I hate guns' Originally Posted by Euphoria I am quickly turning the corner on gun control. The amendment isn't being what it was designed for. It was suppose to protect the citizens from our own government. That has come and passed, you don't see citizens with air craft carriers and F-18's in their back yards? The problem with so many guns on the streets is that some knuckle head pisses off another knuckle head and we have a gun fight in your neighbor hood where an innocent kid sleeping in bed gets shot or a traffic accident just pull out your gun and shoot someone in the back because you're pissed. This is what our country has come to. It isn't safe and its nothing to be proud of. The deaths by ILLEGAL guns out number legal guns 10-1. My gun has never killed someone. My car has never ran somone over and my fork did not make me fat. It's the person. Don't punish me for their crimes. Danno likes this.
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04-12-2016, 02:00 PM	#39
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Re: Saints coach Payton: 'I hate guns' IIRC America includes suicides in their gun violence statistics. Many other countries do not. I also remember reading the vast majority of gun deaths are indeed suicides.

04-12-2016, 02:30 PM	#40
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: Saints coach Payton: 'I hate guns' Originally Posted by rezburna ... My concern is eradicating the conditions that most often lead to violent crime. I agree with you in theory, but probably not on the definition of "conditions", #shrug. This is every day in Detroit ... two guys (or a gal) got beef, one goes gets a gun and shoots up the place ... kids parties, family gatherings, at the mall, at the gas station, at the party store, on the block, in the house, while driving or just sitting in a car ... doesn't matter. The only reason this makes the news is because an NFL player is involved, and that condition has to change. 88% or more of young, Black men homicides are committed by other Black men ... that's the condition that has to change, IMO, that and the condition where we glorify "thug life" and perpetuate a culture of violence, that and the denial that this is purely a societal issue and also not a cultural one, #shrug. Everybody got to be an OG, #smh. One guy was driving a Hummer, one guy a Mercedes ... I don't think poverty's necessarily a contributing condition in this situation. Both these guys had an education (Smith just completed his MBA?) ... I don't think you can pin it on lack of educational opportunities. Both guys were employed playing football, so it's not a lack of employment opportunities. If anything, I'd say both these guys took advantage of the opportunities afforded them and could reasonably be considered success stories, #shrug. The fact the shooter called 911, remained on the scene, had a registered firearm also speaks volumes, this guy wasn't the product of poor upbringing or social issues ... "lack of playgrounds" or whatever condition-of-the-week is going around wasn't the root cause behind this shooting, IMO. I can't tell you how much I hate this shiot, reading about it, seeing it on the news every night ... it's just senseless, . My heart and my sincerest condolences go out to Saints Nation and all families involved, . neugey, Crusader, hagan714 and 2 others like this.

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