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Khalil Mack Jerry Hughes

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My point is that up until h got hurt Kikaha game overall was fine with me as a rookie, not saying it was perfect but I could live with it but to say he can't hold the edge because he's 250 when I seen him do it is odd

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Both of which are OLB's and not every down DE's

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Says who?

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Not consistently, I can't see Kikaha going up against tackles at 250 and consistently win. Tackles at 300 pounds would have him beat down at the end of a game if he were an every down end

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That's your response? NFL teams go to Canada all the time to check out CFL players. They saw a guy with "measurables" and, like any other prospect, they went to look at him. If they can fly to Minnesota, it won't hurt them to go a little farther north.

Again, what happened with Akiem Hicks? You're argument isn't very impressive.

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Did you ever watch the Raiders? Mack was a LB who would play at DE on passing downs.

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Your going off feelings, I'm going off what I've seen him do

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See the difference?

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He's a DE that's his position go look it up

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Also played DE in college so

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And other players get looked at by all 32 teams. That's the point. 17 teams doesn't tell me he's anything more than what I've described him as. This isn't unprecedented. Team's find players in weird places who wow them with raw skills, and very quickly other teams catch on. Ultimately, he went in the 4th. So it's not like he was that hot of a prospect. I would have been ok with it if it weren't for the fact that our guards are pretty bad.

And we all saw the evidence of that, so I don't think I'm imagining that problem.

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Nobody is saying they're throwing darts at a board. But trading up for extremely unproven players seems like a lot of wishful thinking. The amount of busts every year should tell you that this isn't the science you seem to think it is.

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Give OnyoMaMa a chance.... he might actually be good.

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lol. I think I'll adopt that nickname. And I will give him a chance. I hope he becomes the next in a long line of great players with confusing names.

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Hicks was a monster until injuries took their toll. You can never predict injury.

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Exactly how many busts did they have last year after dumping half of their scouting department? If I am not mistaken every pick is still on roster.

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I am not sold on Rankins, I like the two second rounders, no idea why we needed to give up next years 5th for this guy. Clearly hope I am way wrong and everyone is a stud, but our recent draft history, specifically having 3 players left on the roster from the '11,'12, and '14 draft is downright scary.

Although none of us may be in the know, the recent draft history points to the fact that the people in the draft room aren't too much in the know them damn selves.

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To you and I he may appear to be unproven. We have no where near the information on him as they do. Trading up to get him without a very firm belief in his ability would be stupid. These franchises spend dozens of hours on players they are planning on targeting where the rest of us cannot find more than 20 minutes worth of information on the web.

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Recent history is only 2015 and that one looked good. Payton cleaned house on the major players in scouting and brought in Ireland for last year. These are not the same people in the draft room beyond Payton and Loomis and Loomis is a pencil pusher.

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Bull crap, 'Guido. Hicks was never anything close to a "monster" and has had no more injuries then any typical player.

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I said the amount of busts every year. That's referring to all teams. Meaning that just because a team selects a player, doesn't make it the right choice. As for last year's draft? Two didn't play, so who knows with them, and one (Davidson) barely played. And Peat was a pick I couldn't stand, and he did not look good. It's kind of dumb to use last year's draft as an example after one year. I'm hopeful for a lot of those players, but we haven't seen much of them yet.

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48 games, 119 tackles 6.5 sacks.

Cam Jordan 47 games, 153 tackles, 23.5 sacks.

I am not going to say Hicks set the world on fire

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Didn't he end '14 on IR? The monster label was from his teammates. If I remember right he was very solid in '13 then was hampered by an ankle though most of '14. The crap on him came out in '15. He had the talent, but I guess you're right. They missed that. That was probably a big reason for the house cleaning in the scouting department.

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JR was a team captain

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You're right. He looked so good at times. Too bad he was a psycho.

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Of course they believe in him. That doesn't make them right. Just like I could be wrong... or right. He is nevertheless unproven. You seem to lack definition of certain words like "project" and "unproven". I don't care if the Saints have watched this guy sleep every night, eat in the morning, practice, take a dump and shower... Until you play somebody, you are unproven.

Myles Jack and Jaylon Jones were selected in the second round, despite the fact that they may never fully recover. Does that sound like teams doing homework, or hoping for the best? What's my point? You are naive if you think teams don't operate on gut feelings as much as film, when they see an athletic player.

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Yes, after he had already proven he couldn't produce. Every year was hype, followed by nothing. As for cleaning house. It remains to be seen what that did. Too early to tell.

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Sure they do. You can't hit a home run unless you give it a powerful swing. If they feel like he can be great then why not take the shot.

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Burning, you can't argue with that. He sits there and changes it to last year. How the hell can you evaluate the draft from last year right now, you can't. One of the players never played, williams, swann (who i really liked) has concussion issues, was it tull that didn't play or sat for a while too from injury. He conveniently alters it to last year to somehow remove the argument that (and we don't know about last year yet) 3 of the last 4 drafts have not been very good at all.

I am not saying this draft won't produce four really good players, but i can say that I am not sold on Rankins and thought the move back to the 4rth for the Nigerian Canuck doesn't seem to be a good one. Hope they are all good, hope I eat my words, but you can voice your displeasure, that is what the site is for

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You've got to admit last year has looked better than the previous seven or so.

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Right, so we've finally come to some agreement.

My sticking point in this particular case, is it didn't seem like the appropriate time to take a shot. But they did, so it's in the books now. Time to start looking forward.

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By default, I suppose. I actually felt good about several picks last year, unlike years past. But I just haven't seen much from anyone outside of Anthony and Kikaha, in actual games.

I also like some of the picks this year. I'm looking forward to seeing how they progress.

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true

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I feel quite underwhelmed too, there were 3 guards on the board when the Saints traded into the 4th and they take a DT from Canada. Did they forget they have a HoF QB to protect?

Seems like every year the Saints swing and miss in the draft or they out think themselves.

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Forget Canada he is from NIGERIA

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Yeah, Tull was the other guy along with Williams who didn't play. I forgot about Swann before you mentioned him. That was another who showed flashes, but those concussions made it hard to form a strong opinion.

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That is true they really pick sports up fast

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I will agree about hicks , they loved him to start the words were hes a monster hell make the difference then the injury, then hes hampered by nagging injuries and when he got clear of injury he got lazy taking off plays , then the trade for hoohiahamma that made us a better tight end set.