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Does anyone else feel like we only got 1 player of real value and 3 look squaders? We needed help all over the defense and yet again, no linebacker and no corner.

No one is projecting a playoff appearance this year, but damn, can't we at least be competitive?

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I thought we got good value with our first three picks... Rankins is an every down DT, the only other was Buckner, Thomas is a big receiver everyone was clamoring for, and Vonn Bell was arguably the best cover safety in the draft...

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Okay Smash, you're gonna have to explain this one to us...

Are you raiding Forever's Cloud or something?

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I'm just lost as to why they didn't select a guard with that last pick. As soon as I heard them say we had traded up, I thought surely they had to be doing that because they desperately needed a guard and saw someone they wanted.

Instead they drafted Sasquatch.

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I'm guessing an Evans re-signing is imminent

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I always like to think they know more then me. They do. But i'll always ask why?

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I guess. Not much else left out there.

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Why draft a guard just to draft a guard? Payton said after the second round that he was disappointed they hadn't added a guard yet. That tells me that they didn't have a guard that they felt was worthy on their board when their pick arrived. I would hope they would pick BPA over reaching.

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I dont think CB was a big a need as the media do. Obviously we need a healthy Lewis but PJ Williams will be back this year and he was ranked as a late 1st rounder by talent. Lewis-Breaux-Williams-Swan and Bell can play there too.

I dont think the LB were there in depth this year. Alot of 220lbers

I think its Anthony-Laurinaitis-Robertson this year.
You cant fix all the holes in one draft unless youve got the trade bait like the Browns and Titans

Lets be honest
-----Robertson-Laurinaitis-Anthony
Jordan--Rankins--Fairley--Richardson

Looks far better than what was on the field last year

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This wouldn't surprise me at all. He now knows his market value. An aging Evans would be far better in my book than raw rookie any day.

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I didn't say draft one just to draft one. There are quality guards at this point of the draft. It's one of the few positions that you can find value late in the draft. This team desperately needs guard help. They didn't select the best player available, they selected a project, whom they hope they can coach up. This team has made a ton of mistakes in recent years, trying the project route.

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Yeah i reckon you now get the Brees extension and Evans and Kevin Williams brought back in. Both would make sense another id like to kick the tires on is Sammie Lee Hill NT(former Titan/Lions)

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Typically fans being underwhelmed means great drafts. So that's awesome.

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How do you know he is a "project"? Because you heard some media type say so? How can you know that he isn't far closer than some believe. If he is so unknown how could people know he is a project. And correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the main objective of a DE to get to the QB? How much coaching up does that take if you are already proficient at it?

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Yup. Underwhelmed can also mean lack of understanding which is normal since none us are "in the know".

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This is true. Another reason to hold off on a Brees extension until after the draft.

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Im fine with all of that except Richardson... Richardson is a practice squad player at best, if he turns out to be the starter again I won't have much hope for the D.

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Because he's from a college in canada, and there is nothing he has ever faced in his life that is close to what he will face now? Could that make him a project, maybe? And since when did calling someone a project mean that no one could know who he is? You think that's what constitutes a project? C'mon man, you can't be serious on that one.

And who said he was proficient at getting to the QB? He had five sacks last year, from what I can find on him. Against THAT competition.

He is absolutely, 100% a project, and if you try to argue any other way you are clearly trolling.

They are going with his athleticism, and banking on the hope that they can develop him. Maybe they will. I would have much preferred to see them take a guy like Connor McGovern, instead of a project. Why? Because guard is a need that is beyond pressing.

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Not with this organization. Not in a few years. I'm ok with this draft overall, but that last pick... Was questionable.

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Good thing is he can play DE and DT in a 4-3 at 300 pounds. If it pans out:

Onyemata|Rankins|Fairley|Jordan will be a very strong run defense, with above average pass rush capabilities

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There were 17 teams at his pro day. So I guess we will find out.

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One amendment: The speed rush package:

Jordan--Rankins--Fairley--Kikaha

Here's hoping to a lot of 3 and longs to get that package in...

SFIAH

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He did run a 5 flat 40 at his pro day; pretty damn quick for 300 pounds, and benched 225 pounds 33 times...

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I would think 17 teams sending reps to Canada to see one guy means he is more than just a project. Wouldn't it be cool if they knew what they were doing and he actually was a positive addition?

:bandg:

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We picked arguably the best WR, DT and Safety in the draft. I think all of them will be starters this year.

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Championship

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One of two every down DTs, Buckner being the other; Mayock and others think Bell was the best cover safety in the draft; and Thomas arguably the most well rounded receiver...

:bng:

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There isn't a thing unusual about that. That leaves almost half the league that didn't bother. He's got athleticism, and teams want to get a closer look. Again, I hope he turns out great, but nothing about 17 teams sending scouts to look at him tells me anything different.

He's a project, and will continue to be until he proves something. All rookies have something to prove, but this kid comes from freaking Canada. How did Akiem Hicks work out there, smart guy?

I see the athleticism, and it's interesting. But there are times to take chances, and times to fill glaring needs. Now, any draft pick can be a bust. But you have to play the percentages.

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If it pans out, yes. It would be great.

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Where does this Kikaha can't contain edge come from?

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Kikaha is 250 pounds, TE's/FB's can block him out of his shoes... He has never shown to be able to set the edge in college. His whole claim to fame was that he was a terrific pass rusher, not an every down player.

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more than half did bother though so that's saying something , maybe guard isn't as glaring as you think it is or whatever pos you felt like we should've drafted instead

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I'm not talking about going to Indiana. I'm talking about going to Canada.

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Its doesnt matter who you take in these rounds. Some will be good others gone in a couple of years. Looks like we went with the guy with a big upside but bust potential rather than a safer lower cieking higher floor

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Kinda been what I've been thinking. Maybe they know what they are doing instead of throwing darts with a blindfold as a small minority around here think.

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So while starting in the NFL up until his ankle injury was Kikaha was "valuable" against the run, and I've seen plenty of DE big and small get blocked by TE RBs & FBs what's your point because I on numerous occasions "set the edge"

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Kikaha was a 250 pound 3-4 OLB LB! With Dennis Allen, we're transitioning back to a 4-3 which means a move back to DE which is what he played in college. And show me A 250 pound NFL DE who is able to consistently set the edge?

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I'd rather have a project at the position that requires the least amount of technique and intuition (DT) than say, trying SLB at corner or Fortt at LB

He's quick, takes up space, and can probably give us 25 snaps a game as a rookie

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You do know we ran majority 4-3 last year even before Rob Ryan got the boot but ok with Kikaha starting DA decided to put him in space terrible idea