Underwhelmed

AsylumGuido · 04-30-2016, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I didn't say draft one just to draft one. There are quality guards at this point of the draft. It's one of the few positions that you can find value late in the draft. This team desperately needs guard help. They didn't select the best player available, they selected a project, whom they hope they can coach up. This team has made a ton of mistakes in recent years, trying the project route.

How do you know he is a "project"? Because you heard some media type say so? How can you know that he isn't far closer than some believe. If he is so unknown how could people know he is a project. And correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the main objective of a DE to get to the QB? How much coaching up does that take if you are already proficient at it?

burningmetal · 04-30-2016, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

How do you know he is a "project"? Because you heard some media type say so? How can you know that he isn't far closer than some believe. If he is so unknown how could people know he is a project. And correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the main objective of a DE to get to the QB? How much coaching up does that take if you are already proficient at it?

Because he's from a college in canada, and there is nothing he has ever faced in his life that is close to what he will face now? Could that make him a project, maybe? And since when did calling someone a project mean that no one could know who he is? You think that's what constitutes a project? C'mon man, you can't be serious on that one.

And who said he was proficient at getting to the QB? He had five sacks last year, from what I can find on him. Against THAT competition.

He is absolutely, 100% a project, and if you try to argue any other way you are clearly trolling.

They are going with his athleticism, and banking on the hope that they can develop him. Maybe they will. I would have much preferred to see them take a guy like Connor McGovern, instead of a project. Why? Because guard is a need that is beyond pressing.

QBREES9 · 04-30-2016, 01:11 PM

I always like to think they know more then me. They do. But i'll always ask why?

lee909 · 04-30-2016, 01:13 PM

I dont think CB was a big a need as the media do. Obviously we need a healthy Lewis but PJ Williams will be back this year and he was ranked as a late 1st rounder by talent. Lewis-Breaux-Williams-Swan and Bell can play there too.

I dont think the LB were there in depth this year. Alot of 220lbers

I think its Anthony-Laurinaitis-Robertson this year.
You cant fix all the holes in one draft unless youve got the trade bait like the Browns and Titans

Lets be honest
-----Robertson-Laurinaitis-Anthony
Jordan--Rankins--Fairley--Richardson

Looks far better than what was on the field last year

blackangold · 04-30-2016, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

I dont think CB was a big a need as the media do. Obviously we need a healthy Lewis but PJ Williams will be back this year and he was ranked as a late 1st rounder by talent. Lewis-Breaux-Williams-Swan and Bell can play there too.

I dont think the LB were there in depth this year. Alot of 220lbers

I think its Anthony-Laurinaitis-Robertson this year.
You cant fix all the holes in one draft unless youve got the trade bait like the Browns and Titans

Lets be honest
-----Robertson-Laurinaitis-Anthony
Jordan--Rankins--Fairley--Richardson

Looks far better than what was on the field last year

Im fine with all of that except Richardson... Richardson is a practice squad player at best, if he turns out to be the starter again I won't have much hope for the D.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 04-30-2016, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

I dont think CB was a big a need as the media do. Obviously we need a healthy Lewis but PJ Williams will be back this year and he was ranked as a late 1st rounder by talent. Lewis-Breaux-Williams-Swan and Bell can play there too.

I dont think the LB were there in depth this year. Alot of 220lbers

I think its Anthony-Laurinaitis-Robertson this year.
You cant fix all the holes in one draft unless youve got the trade bait like the Browns and Titans

Lets be honest
-----Robertson-Laurinaitis-Anthony
Jordan--Rankins--Fairley--Richardson

Looks far better than what was on the field last year

One amendment: The speed rush package:

Jordan--Rankins--Fairley--Kikaha

Here's hoping to a lot of 3 and longs to get that package in...

SFIAH

skymike · 04-30-2016, 08:49 PM

I dont get drafting safeties so high. You could have Ronnie Lott & the
'89 49ers secondary, but w/o a strong front 7, it does no good.

Conversely, you a strong front 7, can turn an average secondary into ball hawks.
Unless you can get a shutdown corner, secondary, to me, is.. secondary.

I want LBs

blackangold · 04-30-2016, 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by skymike

I dont get drafting safeties so high. You could have Ronnie Lott & the
'89 49ers secondary, but w/o a strong front 7, it does no good.

Conversely, you a strong front 7, can turn an average secondary into ball hawks.
Unless you can get a shutdown corner, secondary, to me, is.. secondary.

I want LBs

I do think we have our best group of LBs since 2009.

Hell the might be better then that group.

hagan714 · 05-01-2016, 04:10 AM

Originally Posted by skymike

I dont get drafting safeties so high. You could have Ronnie Lott & the
'89 49ers secondary, but w/o a strong front 7, it does no good.

Conversely, you a strong front 7, can turn an average secondary into ball hawks.
Unless you can get a shutdown corner, secondary, to me, is.. secondary.

I want LBs

I am still trying to wrap my head around this move myself. The silly oh he mailed me tapes was sweet does not fly. he mailed them over night to make millions . sounds like a solid investment plan. Sorry SP he mailed them to all 32 teams on the same day. you got spammed.

lee909 · 04-30-2016, 01:21 PM

Yeah i reckon you now get the Brees extension and Evans and Kevin Williams brought back in. Both would make sense another id like to kick the tires on is Sammie Lee Hill NT(former Titan/Lions)

04-30-2016, 01:35 PM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Underwhelmed Originally Posted by burningmetal I didn't say draft one just to draft one. There are quality guards at this point of the draft. It's one of the few positions that you can find value late in the draft. This team desperately needs guard help. They didn't select the best player available, they selected a project, whom they hope they can coach up. This team has made a ton of mistakes in recent years, trying the project route. How do you know he is a "project"? Because you heard some media type say so? How can you know that he isn't far closer than some believe. If he is so unknown how could people know he is a project. And correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the main objective of a DE to get to the QB? How much coaching up does that take if you are already proficient at it?

04-30-2016, 01:47 PM	#2
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Underwhelmed Originally Posted by AsylumGuido How do you know he is a "project"? Because you heard some media type say so? How can you know that he isn't far closer than some believe. If he is so unknown how could people know he is a project. And correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the main objective of a DE to get to the QB? How much coaching up does that take if you are already proficient at it? Because he's from a college in canada, and there is nothing he has ever faced in his life that is close to what he will face now? Could that make him a project, maybe? And since when did calling someone a project mean that no one could know who he is? You think that's what constitutes a project? C'mon man, you can't be serious on that one. And who said he was proficient at getting to the QB? He had five sacks last year, from what I can find on him. Against THAT competition. He is absolutely, 100% a project, and if you try to argue any other way you are clearly trolling. They are going with his athleticism, and banking on the hope that they can develop him. Maybe they will. I would have much preferred to see them take a guy like Connor McGovern, instead of a project. Why? Because guard is a need that is beyond pressing. frydaddy likes this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

04-30-2016, 01:11 PM	#3
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,989	Re: Underwhelmed I always like to think they know more then me. They do. But i'll always ask why? jnormand and SapperSaint like this.

04-30-2016, 01:13 PM	#4
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,860 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Underwhelmed I dont think CB was a big a need as the media do. Obviously we need a healthy Lewis but PJ Williams will be back this year and he was ranked as a late 1st rounder by talent. Lewis-Breaux-Williams-Swan and Bell can play there too. I dont think the LB were there in depth this year. Alot of 220lbers I think its Anthony-Laurinaitis-Robertson this year. You cant fix all the holes in one draft unless youve got the trade bait like the Browns and Titans Lets be honest -----Robertson-Laurinaitis-Anthony Jordan--Rankins--Fairley--Richardson Looks far better than what was on the field last year jnormand, Barry from MS, B_Dub_Saint and 5 others like this.
	"Two receivers to the left, Garcon to the right. Manning in the shotgun, puts Collie in motion. Looks in his direction...it's picked off! It's picked off! It's Tracy Porter again! He's runnin' free! He's gonna go all the way!

04-30-2016, 01:40 PM	#5
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Underwhelmed Originally Posted by lee909 I dont think CB was a big a need as the media do. Obviously we need a healthy Lewis but PJ Williams will be back this year and he was ranked as a late 1st rounder by talent. Lewis-Breaux-Williams-Swan and Bell can play there too. I dont think the LB were there in depth this year. Alot of 220lbers I think its Anthony-Laurinaitis-Robertson this year. You cant fix all the holes in one draft unless youve got the trade bait like the Browns and Titans Lets be honest -----Robertson-Laurinaitis-Anthony Jordan--Rankins--Fairley--Richardson Looks far better than what was on the field last year Im fine with all of that except Richardson... Richardson is a practice squad player at best, if he turns out to be the starter again I won't have much hope for the D.

04-30-2016, 02:04 PM	#6
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Underwhelmed Originally Posted by lee909 I dont think CB was a big a need as the media do. Obviously we need a healthy Lewis but PJ Williams will be back this year and he was ranked as a late 1st rounder by talent. Lewis-Breaux-Williams-Swan and Bell can play there too. I dont think the LB were there in depth this year. Alot of 220lbers I think its Anthony-Laurinaitis-Robertson this year. You cant fix all the holes in one draft unless youve got the trade bait like the Browns and Titans Lets be honest -----Robertson-Laurinaitis-Anthony Jordan--Rankins--Fairley--Richardson Looks far better than what was on the field last year One amendment: The speed rush package: Jordan--Rankins--Fairley--Kikaha Here's hoping to a lot of 3 and longs to get that package in... SFIAH

04-30-2016, 08:49 PM	#7
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: Underwhelmed I dont get drafting safeties so high. You could have Ronnie Lott & the '89 49ers secondary, but w/o a strong front 7, it does no good. Conversely, you a strong front 7, can turn an average secondary into ball hawks. Unless you can get a shutdown corner, secondary, to me, is.. secondary. I want LBs hagan714 likes this.

04-30-2016, 09:02 PM	#8
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Underwhelmed Originally Posted by skymike I dont get drafting safeties so high. You could have Ronnie Lott & the '89 49ers secondary, but w/o a strong front 7, it does no good. Conversely, you a strong front 7, can turn an average secondary into ball hawks. Unless you can get a shutdown corner, secondary, to me, is.. secondary. I want LBs I do think we have our best group of LBs since 2009. Hell the might be better then that group. skymike and Rell&Gold like this.

05-01-2016, 04:10 AM	#9
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Underwhelmed Originally Posted by skymike I dont get drafting safeties so high. You could have Ronnie Lott & the '89 49ers secondary, but w/o a strong front 7, it does no good. Conversely, you a strong front 7, can turn an average secondary into ball hawks. Unless you can get a shutdown corner, secondary, to me, is.. secondary. I want LBs I am still trying to wrap my head around this move myself. The silly oh he mailed me tapes was sweet does not fly. he mailed them over night to make millions . sounds like a solid investment plan. Sorry SP he mailed them to all 32 teams on the same day. you got spammed.

04-30-2016, 01:21 PM	#10
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,860 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Underwhelmed Yeah i reckon you now get the Brees extension and Evans and Kevin Williams brought back in. Both would make sense another id like to kick the tires on is Sammie Lee Hill NT(former Titan/Lions)

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