Underwhelmed

AsylumGuido · 04-30-2016, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

I'm guessing an Evans re-signing is imminent

This wouldn't surprise me at all. He now knows his market value. An aging Evans would be far better in my book than raw rookie any day.

burningmetal · 04-30-2016, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Why draft a guard just to draft a guard? Payton said after the second round that he was disappointed they hadn't added a guard yet. That tells me that they didn't have a guard that they felt was worthy on their board when their pick arrived. I would hope they would pick BPA over reaching.

I didn't say draft one just to draft one. There are quality guards at this point of the draft. It's one of the few positions that you can find value late in the draft. This team desperately needs guard help. They didn't select the best player available, they selected a project, whom they hope they can coach up. This team has made a ton of mistakes in recent years, trying the project route.

lee909 · 04-30-2016, 01:21 PM

Yeah i reckon you now get the Brees extension and Evans and Kevin Williams brought back in. Both would make sense another id like to kick the tires on is Sammie Lee Hill NT(former Titan/Lions)

exile · 04-30-2016, 01:34 PM

Typically fans being underwhelmed means great drafts. So that's awesome.

AsylumGuido · 04-30-2016, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I didn't say draft one just to draft one. There are quality guards at this point of the draft. It's one of the few positions that you can find value late in the draft. This team desperately needs guard help. They didn't select the best player available, they selected a project, whom they hope they can coach up. This team has made a ton of mistakes in recent years, trying the project route.

How do you know he is a "project"? Because you heard some media type say so? How can you know that he isn't far closer than some believe. If he is so unknown how could people know he is a project. And correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the main objective of a DE to get to the QB? How much coaching up does that take if you are already proficient at it?

AsylumGuido · 04-30-2016, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by exile

Typically fans being underwhelmed means great drafts. So that's awesome.

Yup. Underwhelmed can also mean lack of understanding which is normal since none us are "in the know".

AsylumGuido · 04-30-2016, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

Yeah i reckon you now get the Brees extension and Evans and Kevin Williams brought back in. Both would make sense another id like to kick the tires on is Sammie Lee Hill NT(former Titan/Lions)

This is true. Another reason to hold off on a Brees extension until after the draft.

blackangold · 04-30-2016, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

I dont think CB was a big a need as the media do. Obviously we need a healthy Lewis but PJ Williams will be back this year and he was ranked as a late 1st rounder by talent. Lewis-Breaux-Williams-Swan and Bell can play there too.

I dont think the LB were there in depth this year. Alot of 220lbers

I think its Anthony-Laurinaitis-Robertson this year.
You cant fix all the holes in one draft unless youve got the trade bait like the Browns and Titans

Lets be honest
-----Robertson-Laurinaitis-Anthony
Jordan--Rankins--Fairley--Richardson

Looks far better than what was on the field last year

Im fine with all of that except Richardson... Richardson is a practice squad player at best, if he turns out to be the starter again I won't have much hope for the D.

burningmetal · 04-30-2016, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

How do you know he is a "project"? Because you heard some media type say so? How can you know that he isn't far closer than some believe. If he is so unknown how could people know he is a project. And correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the main objective of a DE to get to the QB? How much coaching up does that take if you are already proficient at it?

Because he's from a college in canada, and there is nothing he has ever faced in his life that is close to what he will face now? Could that make him a project, maybe? And since when did calling someone a project mean that no one could know who he is? You think that's what constitutes a project? C'mon man, you can't be serious on that one.

And who said he was proficient at getting to the QB? He had five sacks last year, from what I can find on him. Against THAT competition.

He is absolutely, 100% a project, and if you try to argue any other way you are clearly trolling.

They are going with his athleticism, and banking on the hope that they can develop him. Maybe they will. I would have much preferred to see them take a guy like Connor McGovern, instead of a project. Why? Because guard is a need that is beyond pressing.

burningmetal · 04-30-2016, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by exile

Typically fans being underwhelmed means great drafts. So that's awesome.

Not with this organization. Not in a few years. I'm ok with this draft overall, but that last pick... Was questionable.

04-30-2016, 01:14 PM	#11
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Underwhelmed Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| I'm guessing an Evans re-signing is imminent This wouldn't surprise me at all. He now knows his market value. An aging Evans would be far better in my book than raw rookie any day.

04-30-2016, 01:16 PM	#12
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,905 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Underwhelmed Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Why draft a guard just to draft a guard? Payton said after the second round that he was disappointed they hadn't added a guard yet. That tells me that they didn't have a guard that they felt was worthy on their board when their pick arrived. I would hope they would pick BPA over reaching. I didn't say draft one just to draft one. There are quality guards at this point of the draft. It's one of the few positions that you can find value late in the draft. This team desperately needs guard help. They didn't select the best player available, they selected a project, whom they hope they can coach up. This team has made a ton of mistakes in recent years, trying the project route. MarchingOn likes this.

04-30-2016, 01:21 PM	#13
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,725 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Underwhelmed Yeah i reckon you now get the Brees extension and Evans and Kevin Williams brought back in. Both would make sense another id like to kick the tires on is Sammie Lee Hill NT(former Titan/Lions)

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Underwhelmed Originally Posted by burningmetal I didn't say draft one just to draft one. There are quality guards at this point of the draft. It's one of the few positions that you can find value late in the draft. This team desperately needs guard help. They didn't select the best player available, they selected a project, whom they hope they can coach up. This team has made a ton of mistakes in recent years, trying the project route. How do you know he is a "project"? Because you heard some media type say so? How can you know that he isn't far closer than some believe. If he is so unknown how could people know he is a project. And correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the main objective of a DE to get to the QB? How much coaching up does that take if you are already proficient at it?

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04-30-2016, 01:37 PM	#16
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Underwhelmed Originally Posted by exile Typically fans being underwhelmed means great drafts. So that's awesome. Yup. Underwhelmed can also mean lack of understanding which is normal since none us are "in the know".

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Underwhelmed Originally Posted by lee909 Yeah i reckon you now get the Brees extension and Evans and Kevin Williams brought back in. Both would make sense another id like to kick the tires on is Sammie Lee Hill NT(former Titan/Lions) This is true. Another reason to hold off on a Brees extension until after the draft.

04-30-2016, 01:40 PM	#18
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Underwhelmed Originally Posted by lee909 I dont think CB was a big a need as the media do. Obviously we need a healthy Lewis but PJ Williams will be back this year and he was ranked as a late 1st rounder by talent. Lewis-Breaux-Williams-Swan and Bell can play there too. I dont think the LB were there in depth this year. Alot of 220lbers I think its Anthony-Laurinaitis-Robertson this year. You cant fix all the holes in one draft unless youve got the trade bait like the Browns and Titans Lets be honest -----Robertson-Laurinaitis-Anthony Jordan--Rankins--Fairley--Richardson Looks far better than what was on the field last year Im fine with all of that except Richardson... Richardson is a practice squad player at best, if he turns out to be the starter again I won't have much hope for the D.

04-30-2016, 01:47 PM	#19
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,905 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Underwhelmed Originally Posted by AsylumGuido How do you know he is a "project"? Because you heard some media type say so? How can you know that he isn't far closer than some believe. If he is so unknown how could people know he is a project. And correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the main objective of a DE to get to the QB? How much coaching up does that take if you are already proficient at it? Because he's from a college in canada, and there is nothing he has ever faced in his life that is close to what he will face now? Could that make him a project, maybe? And since when did calling someone a project mean that no one could know who he is? You think that's what constitutes a project? C'mon man, you can't be serious on that one. And who said he was proficient at getting to the QB? He had five sacks last year, from what I can find on him. Against THAT competition. He is absolutely, 100% a project, and if you try to argue any other way you are clearly trolling. They are going with his athleticism, and banking on the hope that they can develop him. Maybe they will. I would have much preferred to see them take a guy like Connor McGovern, instead of a project. Why? Because guard is a need that is beyond pressing. frydaddy likes this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

04-30-2016, 01:50 PM	#20
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,905 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Underwhelmed Originally Posted by exile Typically fans being underwhelmed means great drafts. So that's awesome. Not with this organization. Not in a few years. I'm ok with this draft overall, but that last pick... Was questionable.

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