Why not Delhomme?

WhoDat · 01-28-2003, 01:12 PM

Gator

To answer you\'re question - yes and no. I have no idea who will be the better quarterback in the long run. I started this particular thread to talk about the Saints off-season dealings with Delhomme. I just don\'t know who they think they\'re going to sign to replace him if he goes and I wonder why they aren\'t trying harder to resign him.

As for the entire Brooks/Delhomme argument, I won\'t rehash that. Overall, I think both are quarterbacks of a higher caliber than the New Orleans Saints are used to. I fear that, as you put it, too much time, money, and energy has been invested in Brooks and now the organization is sticking with him b/c reputations are on the line. Maybe not... regardless it\'s a gamble that will either pay off big or blow up huge for Haslett.

My bottom line is this: Delhomme is young, talented, and smart. He has a lot of intangibles that make quarterbacks good, sometimes great, in this league. The type of system the Saints are running is more catered to his specific abilities than Brooks\'. That\'s it. Now, can we please move on from the Brooks/Delhomme talk once and for all?

saintfan · 01-28-2003, 03:25 PM

I\'ll move on when you get off it WhoDat. I\'m not trying to change your mind...thats pointless. Honestly I get a kick out of pointing things out to you. I don\'t think you\'re aware of some of the stuff you type. I did NOT bring Brooks into this thread...YOU did! As long as you attempt to compare one by attacking the other I\'m gonna be here to point it out to you.

WhoDat · 01-28-2003, 05:23 PM

Dude, I didn\'t take a pot-shot at your lover in any way... the things I said are true and I was using them as a hypothetical argument that the Saints could make to Jake to convince him he\'ll have a shot in New Orleans. I suggest that you print that avitar and carry it in your wallet, wall paper your house with life size Aaron Brooks pictures, and go down to the court house and change your name... I\'ll tell you what Saintfan, I\'ll meet you in the bushes outside of Brooks\' house tomorrow night... then you can show me your club house, where you and the other \"members\" pray to the Aaron Brooks shrine.

WhoDat · 01-28-2003, 05:24 PM

Gator - thanks for trying man. I knew what you were doing, I just wanted to clarify. Even when you tell this guy his golden boy is a good quarterback he complains. Thanks anyway man.

saintz08 · 01-29-2003, 02:24 AM

Delhomme as a starter is a risk Haslett will not take , not after he backed Brooks .

That would be like Ditka saying Ricky Williams is not really a starting runningback .

Haslett can come up with a thousand excuses if Delhomme lights up his defense in a Cowboys uniform, but not too many if he becomes the starter in New Orleans . If Jake turned out to be better then Brooks , Benson would run Haslett out of the NFL .
Mueller signed where ??????

saintfan · 01-29-2003, 07:55 AM

Now now WhoDat, no reason to go there my friend. I have stated before and I\'ll state it again since your memory is so poor. I\'m not gonna sit back and watch you insinuate, assume, guess, hint, or otherwise indicate all the crap you post about Brooks is factual. You\'ll need to know I have no desire to reduce myself to to the level in which you\'re now attempting to take this debate.

Ya know, quoting coaches and players and posting stats don\'t do any more good than showing you your very own quotes. You can accuse me of bringing Brooks into this debate when it\'s there in the first post is this thread, made by YOU. I know you\'re not ignorant, you just play that way when it suits you.

Now if you wanna reduce the debate to grade-school level I\'m sorry to tell you you\'ll be there alone...well, maybe Saintz08 will ride the bus with you, but I won\'t be going there. Need I also remind you that it was only after I changed my avitar that you changed yours? hehe...you know what they say about imitation, or have they taught you that yet?

saintfan · 01-29-2003, 08:00 AM

Gatorman --
Doesn\'t look like the Broncos are looking at Delhomme. Word is they have their eye on another Jake...Plummer. Personally, I think Delhomme would be a better move, but I\'m guessing they haven\'t seen enough of him.

saintfan · 01-29-2003, 08:37 AM

I\'d like to see Jake stay. I just don\'t think we have anything beyond he and Aaron, but if/when he goes...go ANYWHERE out of the NFC and I\'m happy. I hear the niners are talking to the bucs D coordinator about their head coaching position. I also hear that a Deal for Mooch is all but done in Detroit too.

WhoDat · 01-29-2003, 09:01 AM

The one good thing we have going for us is that the free agent market and the draft are saturated with quarterbacks. I mean, some of the ones that I know about include:

Tony Banks, Charlie Batch, Jeff Blake, Marc Bulger, Koy Detmer, Gus Ferotte, Jeff George, Kent Graham, Jarious Jackson, Doug Johnson, Shaun King, Shane Mathews, Rick Mirer, Doug Peterson, Rodney Peete, Jake Plummer, Tim Rattay, Chris Redman, and Danny Wuerffel.

There are also at least as many QBs who I have never heard of... these could very well be nobodies, or they could be other teams\' Jake Delhommes. You add in the draft, and that\'s a LOT of QBs.

I would think that if you want a proven starter you\'re going with Blake or Plummer. If you want a vet. you\'re going with a guy like Gus Ferotte or Jeff George, Finally, there are a LOT of QBs out there like Delhomme. Guys who are still relatively young with little playing time who want to prove themselves and compete for starting jobs - Bulger, Detmer, Johnson, King, Redman, etc... Not to mention the rookies in the draft.

Maybe this way Delhomme gets a lower offer from other teams than he might in other years b/c there are so many QBs out there. If so, the Saints should be able to match it. And regardless of what Saintfan wants to say, the Saints are using the fact that Brooks is hurt to give quarterbacks hope about competing. They did it with Finlen, so they could do it with Delhomme. They can say, look Jake, who knows how long it will take Aaron to get back to full form. Who knows if he\'ll ever be the same again. Stay here and the best man in camp will start in week 1. I don\'t think any other team will promise him more than that.

saintfan · 01-29-2003, 09:41 AM

WhoDat says:
\"And regardless of what Saintfan wants to say, the Saints are using the fact that Brooks is hurt to give quarterbacks hope about competing.\"

Now that insinuated that I (A) actually said that, which I didn\'t (yet) and (B) that WhoDat has some sort of inside info on the Saints that the rest of us don\'t have. How else would he be able to state that as a fact? All the info coming out of the Saints organization is indicating that the team thinks Aaron will be just fine. If what you say is true, WhoDat, and the Saints were really trying to mis-represent the situation in an effort to lure some guy in like Finlen don\'t you think they\'d have press releases indicating their doubt about his recovery?

You just couldn\'t resist could ya WhoDat? You had to take another shot huh? Does it make you feel any better to know that I\'m smiling while I type this. To make the statememnt you\'re making means that you believe that the Saints gave Brooks the starting position without considering anyone else. You can keep goin with your conspiracy theory if it keeps you warm at night.

01-28-2003, 01:12 PM	#1
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Why not Delhomme? Gator To answer you\'re question - yes and no. I have no idea who will be the better quarterback in the long run. I started this particular thread to talk about the Saints off-season dealings with Delhomme. I just don\'t know who they think they\'re going to sign to replace him if he goes and I wonder why they aren\'t trying harder to resign him. As for the entire Brooks/Delhomme argument, I won\'t rehash that. Overall, I think both are quarterbacks of a higher caliber than the New Orleans Saints are used to. I fear that, as you put it, too much time, money, and energy has been invested in Brooks and now the organization is sticking with him b/c reputations are on the line. Maybe not... regardless it\'s a gamble that will either pay off big or blow up huge for Haslett. My bottom line is this: Delhomme is young, talented, and smart. He has a lot of intangibles that make quarterbacks good, sometimes great, in this league. The type of system the Saints are running is more catered to his specific abilities than Brooks\'. That\'s it. Now, can we please move on from the Brooks/Delhomme talk once and for all?
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

01-28-2003, 03:25 PM	#2
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Why not Delhomme? I\'ll move on when you get off it WhoDat. I\'m not trying to change your mind...thats pointless. Honestly I get a kick out of pointing things out to you. I don\'t think you\'re aware of some of the stuff you type. I did NOT bring Brooks into this thread...YOU did! As long as you attempt to compare one by attacking the other I\'m gonna be here to point it out to you.

01-28-2003, 05:23 PM	#3
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Why not Delhomme? Dude, I didn\'t take a pot-shot at your lover in any way... the things I said are true and I was using them as a hypothetical argument that the Saints could make to Jake to convince him he\'ll have a shot in New Orleans. I suggest that you print that avitar and carry it in your wallet, wall paper your house with life size Aaron Brooks pictures, and go down to the court house and change your name... I\'ll tell you what Saintfan, I\'ll meet you in the bushes outside of Brooks\' house tomorrow night... then you can show me your club house, where you and the other \"members\" pray to the Aaron Brooks shrine.
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

01-28-2003, 05:24 PM	#4
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Why not Delhomme? Gator - thanks for trying man. I knew what you were doing, I just wanted to clarify. Even when you tell this guy his golden boy is a good quarterback he complains. Thanks anyway man.
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01-29-2003, 02:24 AM	#5
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Why not Delhomme? Delhomme as a starter is a risk Haslett will not take , not after he backed Brooks . That would be like Ditka saying Ricky Williams is not really a starting runningback . Haslett can come up with a thousand excuses if Delhomme lights up his defense in a Cowboys uniform, but not too many if he becomes the starter in New Orleans . If Jake turned out to be better then Brooks , Benson would run Haslett out of the NFL . Mueller signed where ??????
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01-29-2003, 07:55 AM	#6
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Why not Delhomme? Now now WhoDat, no reason to go there my friend. I have stated before and I\'ll state it again since your memory is so poor. I\'m not gonna sit back and watch you insinuate, assume, guess, hint, or otherwise indicate all the crap you post about Brooks is factual. You\'ll need to know I have no desire to reduce myself to to the level in which you\'re now attempting to take this debate. Ya know, quoting coaches and players and posting stats don\'t do any more good than showing you your very own quotes. You can accuse me of bringing Brooks into this debate when it\'s there in the first post is this thread, made by YOU. I know you\'re not ignorant, you just play that way when it suits you. Now if you wanna reduce the debate to grade-school level I\'m sorry to tell you you\'ll be there alone...well, maybe Saintz08 will ride the bus with you, but I won\'t be going there. Need I also remind you that it was only after I changed my avitar that you changed yours? hehe...you know what they say about imitation, or have they taught you that yet?
	C'mon Man...

01-29-2003, 08:00 AM	#7
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Why not Delhomme? Gatorman -- Doesn\'t look like the Broncos are looking at Delhomme. Word is they have their eye on another Jake...Plummer. Personally, I think Delhomme would be a better move, but I\'m guessing they haven\'t seen enough of him.

01-29-2003, 08:37 AM	#8
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Why not Delhomme? I\'d like to see Jake stay. I just don\'t think we have anything beyond he and Aaron, but if/when he goes...go ANYWHERE out of the NFC and I\'m happy. I hear the niners are talking to the bucs D coordinator about their head coaching position. I also hear that a Deal for Mooch is all but done in Detroit too.

01-29-2003, 09:01 AM	#9
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Why not Delhomme? The one good thing we have going for us is that the free agent market and the draft are saturated with quarterbacks. I mean, some of the ones that I know about include: Tony Banks, Charlie Batch, Jeff Blake, Marc Bulger, Koy Detmer, Gus Ferotte, Jeff George, Kent Graham, Jarious Jackson, Doug Johnson, Shaun King, Shane Mathews, Rick Mirer, Doug Peterson, Rodney Peete, Jake Plummer, Tim Rattay, Chris Redman, and Danny Wuerffel. There are also at least as many QBs who I have never heard of... these could very well be nobodies, or they could be other teams\' Jake Delhommes. You add in the draft, and that\'s a LOT of QBs. I would think that if you want a proven starter you\'re going with Blake or Plummer. If you want a vet. you\'re going with a guy like Gus Ferotte or Jeff George, Finally, there are a LOT of QBs out there like Delhomme. Guys who are still relatively young with little playing time who want to prove themselves and compete for starting jobs - Bulger, Detmer, Johnson, King, Redman, etc... Not to mention the rookies in the draft. Maybe this way Delhomme gets a lower offer from other teams than he might in other years b/c there are so many QBs out there. If so, the Saints should be able to match it. And regardless of what Saintfan wants to say, the Saints are using the fact that Brooks is hurt to give quarterbacks hope about competing. They did it with Finlen, so they could do it with Delhomme. They can say, look Jake, who knows how long it will take Aaron to get back to full form. Who knows if he\'ll ever be the same again. Stay here and the best man in camp will start in week 1. I don\'t think any other team will promise him more than that.
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

01-29-2003, 09:41 AM	#10
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Why not Delhomme? WhoDat says: \"And regardless of what Saintfan wants to say, the Saints are using the fact that Brooks is hurt to give quarterbacks hope about competing.\" Now that insinuated that I (A) actually said that, which I didn\'t (yet) and (B) that WhoDat has some sort of inside info on the Saints that the rest of us don\'t have. How else would he be able to state that as a fact? All the info coming out of the Saints organization is indicating that the team thinks Aaron will be just fine. If what you say is true, WhoDat, and the Saints were really trying to mis-represent the situation in an effort to lure some guy in like Finlen don\'t you think they\'d have press releases indicating their doubt about his recovery? You just couldn\'t resist could ya WhoDat? You had to take another shot huh? Does it make you feel any better to know that I\'m smiling while I type this. To make the statememnt you\'re making means that you believe that the Saints gave Brooks the starting position without considering anyone else. You can keep goin with your conspiracy theory if it keeps you warm at night.
	C'mon Man...