Re-Grading the New Orleans Saints 2013 Draft Class

05-10-2016, 05:11 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Need more pop than just Armstead.

Grade F

This just in from Sean Payton with a grade for your grade.

He gives you a "F" you.

hagan714 · 05-10-2016, 06:00 AM

Almost gave it a B rating.

Kenny Vaccaro is still a work in progress and I am wondering if this is as good as it gets. As usual I wanted to trade down. Alec Ogletree was my man.

Terron Armstead we all saw the writing on the wall

John Jenkins did not like it then and he has done little to change my mind. Trading up to get him only made matters worse. He is the only big butted player on the team still so that is the biggest reason he is a starter. He get pushed around way to much for a man this big. Maybe DA is his savior. My pick was to stay put and draft Jesse Williams in round 4

Kenny Stills caught me by surprise. Stills has a gift. But he is a dolphin now and the Dannell Ellerbe and a third in 2015 on P.J. Williams is full of unanswered questions because of IR issues. A.J.Klein was my pick. He was everything he was billed as. A Swiss Army Knife LB.

Rufus Johnson say what? shame part about it is the Pats love the kid for special teams and DE depth. Never understood Rob trying to make a OLB out of a kid 6'5/272.

So 5 players with 7 picks and one of those goes Roger Goodell so by 2014 standards this was a home run.

Trading up for John Jenkins and losing both Rufus Johnson and to some extent Sills made me drop the grade to C.

Lets see how players do under DA. getting rid of rob alone could change everything

With Rob thrown into the evaluations I should have included an Incomplete as an option

K Major · 05-10-2016, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

John Jenkins did not like it then and he has done little to change my mind. Trading up to get him only made matters worse. He is the only big butted player on the team still so that is the biggest reason he is a starter. He get pushed around way to much for a man this big. Maybe DA is his savior. My pick was to stay put and draft Jesse Williams in round 4

Yep. JJ isn't horrible be he certainly isn't good either. Kind of soft (wanted Brandon Williams in the draft), Kevin Williams played limited minutes had almost as many tackles. In my mind, an upgrade is necessary.

If anything we need a pocket closing NT to help the ends.

Danno · 05-10-2016, 05:18 PM

Where does the JJenkins hate come from?
I thought he played just fine and PFF ranked him as our 4th best defensive player on the entire team. He also had the 4th most snaps on our team.

Ya'll wonder why we didn't draft a NT? Because we already have a pretty damn good one on the team already.

hagan714 · 05-11-2016, 12:21 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Where does the JJenkins hate come from?
I thought he played just fine and PFF ranked him as our 4th best defensive player on the entire team. He also had the 4th most snaps on our team.

Ya'll wonder why we didn't draft a NT? Because we already have a pretty damn good one on the team already.

That would be saying something if the defense as a whole did not stink up front.

never was a huge fan. year one i was pulling crow from the freezer. It did not take long before he went back to being the player he was in college and the crow went right back in the freezer.

I am giving him and any player that had Rob Ryan as their coach a pass.

lee909 · 05-11-2016, 01:32 AM

Not been that impressed with Jenkins. Teams have been tunning through the front regularly and he hasn't exactly freed up anyone else to rush but taking on more than one blocker. As has been said lets see what he does under a new DC

SmashMouth · 05-11-2016, 01:41 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

It confounds me how dumb someone has to be to give a draft an F when after three years 4 of the 5 picks are NFL starters. Every team would kill for that success rate.

Armstead may be an All-Pro (not just Pro-Bowl) this year
Vaccaro may flirt with a probowl if he continues to improve.
JJenkins may be the most under-rated player on our entire defense.
KStills looks to be a starter again next year.
Rufus was a late round gamble that didn't pan out. Shocker? Hardly

How anyone could rate that draft anything lower than a B indicates they have absolutely no freaking idea about the NFL or the NFL Draft.

Not shocking however, given the comments by our so called draft gurus about this current draft.

As much as I'd like to sport your Saints beer goggles, put the pipe down.

KVac should be the best in the NFL for where he was picked; not a question mark or situational player he seems to have become. He did kick arse his rookie year. We'll see this year if he steps it up. Grade C

Armstead just got his money. Something KVac did not get, a second contract. Armstead improved as a third rounder, exactly what you want. Grade A+

No second rounder. Grade F.

Jenkins was good his rookie year then disappeared. Too many shrimp poboys, or chickenz wings. He's still here only because there is no one else... until this year. We had to get Williams last year to help him out. Maybe his best role is as a situational player. That means his days are numbered. Grade C

Stills and Rufus are no longer on the team. So that's a fail with a big F.

The big fat F brings the average down to an F.. maybe an F+.

lee909 · 05-11-2016, 02:02 AM

How is Stills a F
He was drafted in the 5th round made to look good by Brees and traded for a 3rd round (PJ Williams) and Ellerbe

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SmashMouth · 05-11-2016, 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by lee909

How is Stills a F
He was drafted in the 5th round made to look good by Brees and traded for a 3rd round (PJ Williams) and Ellerbe

Well, he's not on our team for one. If he were the chiznit, he'd "stills" be here. Simply because SP and Loomie applied their used car salesman skill set to get something for Stills does not necessarily upgrade the pick.

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05-10-2016, 05:11 AM	#21
Threaded by foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by SmashMouth Need more pop than just Armstead. Grade F This just in from Sean Payton with a grade for your grade. He gives you a "F" you.
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05-10-2016, 06:00 AM	#22
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Re-Grading the New Orleans Saints 2013 Draft Class Almost gave it a B rating. Kenny Vaccaro is still a work in progress and I am wondering if this is as good as it gets. As usual I wanted to trade down. Alec Ogletree was my man. Terron Armstead we all saw the writing on the wall John Jenkins did not like it then and he has done little to change my mind. Trading up to get him only made matters worse. He is the only big butted player on the team still so that is the biggest reason he is a starter. He get pushed around way to much for a man this big. Maybe DA is his savior. My pick was to stay put and draft Jesse Williams in round 4 Kenny Stills caught me by surprise. Stills has a gift. But he is a dolphin now and the Dannell Ellerbe and a third in 2015 on P.J. Williams is full of unanswered questions because of IR issues. A.J.Klein was my pick. He was everything he was billed as. A Swiss Army Knife LB. Rufus Johnson say what? shame part about it is the Pats love the kid for special teams and DE depth. Never understood Rob trying to make a OLB out of a kid 6'5/272. So 5 players with 7 picks and one of those goes Roger Goodell so by 2014 standards this was a home run. Trading up for John Jenkins and losing both Rufus Johnson and to some extent Sills made me drop the grade to C. Lets see how players do under DA. getting rid of rob alone could change everything With Rob thrown into the evaluations I should have included an Incomplete as an option
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05-10-2016, 04:53 PM	#23
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Re-Grading the New Orleans Saints 2013 Draft Class Originally Posted by hagan714 John Jenkins did not like it then and he has done little to change my mind. Trading up to get him only made matters worse. He is the only big butted player on the team still so that is the biggest reason he is a starter. He get pushed around way to much for a man this big. Maybe DA is his savior. My pick was to stay put and draft Jesse Williams in round 4 Yep. JJ isn't horrible be he certainly isn't good either. Kind of soft (wanted Brandon Williams in the draft), Kevin Williams played limited minutes had almost as many tackles. In my mind, an upgrade is necessary. If anything we need a pocket closing NT to help the ends.

05-10-2016, 05:18 PM	#24
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Re-Grading the New Orleans Saints 2013 Draft Class Where does the JJenkins hate come from? I thought he played just fine and PFF ranked him as our 4th best defensive player on the entire team. He also had the 4th most snaps on our team. Ya'll wonder why we didn't draft a NT? Because we already have a pretty damn good one on the team already. voodooido likes this.

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05-11-2016, 12:21 AM	#25
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Re-Grading the New Orleans Saints 2013 Draft Class Originally Posted by Danno Where does the JJenkins hate come from? I thought he played just fine and PFF ranked him as our 4th best defensive player on the entire team. He also had the 4th most snaps on our team. Ya'll wonder why we didn't draft a NT? Because we already have a pretty damn good one on the team already. That would be saying something if the defense as a whole did not stink up front. never was a huge fan. year one i was pulling crow from the freezer. It did not take long before he went back to being the player he was in college and the crow went right back in the freezer. I am giving him and any player that had Rob Ryan as their coach a pass.

05-11-2016, 01:32 AM	#26
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,803 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Re-Grading the New Orleans Saints 2013 Draft Class Not been that impressed with Jenkins. Teams have been tunning through the front regularly and he hasn't exactly freed up anyone else to rush but taking on more than one blocker. As has been said lets see what he does under a new DC

05-11-2016, 01:41 AM	#27
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,125 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Re-Grading the New Orleans Saints 2013 Draft Class Originally Posted by Danno It confounds me how dumb someone has to be to give a draft an F when after three years 4 of the 5 picks are NFL starters. Every team would kill for that success rate. Armstead may be an All-Pro (not just Pro-Bowl) this year Vaccaro may flirt with a probowl if he continues to improve. JJenkins may be the most under-rated player on our entire defense. KStills looks to be a starter again next year. Rufus was a late round gamble that didn't pan out. Shocker? Hardly How anyone could rate that draft anything lower than a B indicates they have absolutely no freaking idea about the NFL or the NFL Draft. Not shocking however, given the comments by our so called draft gurus about this current draft. As much as I'd like to sport your Saints beer goggles, put the pipe down. KVac should be the best in the NFL for where he was picked; not a question mark or situational player he seems to have become. He did kick arse his rookie year. We'll see this year if he steps it up. Grade C Armstead just got his money. Something KVac did not get, a second contract. Armstead improved as a third rounder, exactly what you want. Grade A+ No second rounder. Grade F. Jenkins was good his rookie year then disappeared. Too many shrimp poboys, or chickenz wings. He's still here only because there is no one else... until this year. We had to get Williams last year to help him out. Maybe his best role is as a situational player. That means his days are numbered. Grade C Stills and Rufus are no longer on the team. So that's a fail with a big F. The big fat F brings the average down to an F.. maybe an F+. K Major likes this.

05-11-2016, 02:02 AM	#28
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,803 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Re-Grading the New Orleans Saints 2013 Draft Class How is Stills a F He was drafted in the 5th round made to look good by Brees and traded for a 3rd round (PJ Williams) and Ellerbe mleg1972 and voodooido like this.

05-11-2016, 08:18 AM	#30
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,125 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Re-Grading the New Orleans Saints 2013 Draft Class Originally Posted by lee909 How is Stills a F He was drafted in the 5th round made to look good by Brees and traded for a 3rd round (PJ Williams) and Ellerbe Well, he's not on our team for one. If he were the chiznit, he'd "stills" be here. Simply because SP and Loomie applied their used car salesman skill set to get something for Stills does not necessarily upgrade the pick.

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