Mike D - Antonio Pierce rejected Saints.

WhoDat · 03-03-2005, 10:55 PM

quote: our organization is so screwed up from the outside players won\'t even visit.

This is exactly what scares the hell out of me. There has been nothing positive out of the Saints organization in so long it tends to make me wonder if this might not be a fact. All this talk of trouble between the offense and defense. The owner calling it a high school team. The head coach damn near being fired. A defensive co-ordinator that is impossible to figure out. And to top it all off, when they do get rid of someone, they don\'t even look outside the organization for a replacement. I\'m really at a loss about this team.

M-I-C.... K-E-Y....

Seems like someone said this a long time ago. Maybe Kyle Turley proved once again that crazy don\'t mean dumb.

Saint_LB · 03-03-2005, 11:12 PM

Why don\'t FA\'s come here? These guys do have agents, and I would think that they would want to get some kind of idea about what kind of money or deal they are talking about before they put their guy on a plane...just a theory, but there is some truth to the phrase, \"Money talks... BS walks.\"

shadowdrinker · 03-04-2005, 03:03 AM

They don\'t come here because..

1. THE OWNER CALLED HIS OWN TEAM HIGH SCHOOLERS!!!!!!...That\'s like Ford calling the Mustang a \'\'Sissy Car\'\'...Think about it..

2. L.A. is still looming...and we are top on the list

3. Haslett..for whatever reason, is still Coaching...so is Venturi..these guys are considered a joke...and the players are showing it by blowing off any invite...

It\'s not a good time to be a Saint....

[Edited on 4/3/2005 by shadowdrinker]

WhoDat · 03-04-2005, 09:33 AM

There are three good reasons why a player would blow off the Saints.

First - money. The Saints don\'t pay. Period. We may have some big names, but AB was the last guy to get a \"big\" contract, and that was a guy already with the team. The Saints tend to underpay deserving players and overpay bums (see Sullivan, Tebucky, cough Brooks cough)... Why waste your time if the money ain\'t coming?

Second, even if you think the money may come, why go to New Orleans? Money isn\'t the only way players make decisions. For the most part, a highly sought after player is going to get offers that, over the long run, don\'t differ a ton. If you have to think about other factors, do you really want to play for a perinial loser with a bunch of underachievers, problems top to bottom, in one of the league\'s smallest and poorest markets with no real shot at playing for a championship? The New Orleans Saints are the LA Clippers, without the benefits of LA....

Third, if you\'re not likely to get paid, you don\'t believe in the coaches, other players, FO, or team\'s ability to succeed, and see NO as a place players come to die, that\'s probably enough to make you stay away. But if you need even more incentive - this is a very volitile franchise. Negotiations with the State, coaches leaving, GMs fired at the drop of a hat, you never know who the next team cancer will be, players fitiing on planes... There\'s just no security or professionalism in New Orleans - and maybe a player isn\'t wise enough to see that, but his agent certainly is.

GumboBC · 03-04-2005, 09:42 AM

Well, as it turns out, Pierce was scheduled to visit many teams but the Giants called and made him an offer that was more than he was seeking. He then informed his agent to get the deal done and cancel all talks and visits with all teams. Including the Saints.

But, carry on telling us why the Saints suck!

[Edited on 4/3/2005 by GumboBC]

WhoDat · 03-04-2005, 10:06 AM

I will. And you just keep on explaining how OG, TE, and RB will fix all the team\'s problems. You seem to have \"flopped\" back over from the \"I don\'t like what I\'m seeing\" side to the \"Sunny\" side of the street. What did that take, 10 seconds?

GumboBC · 03-04-2005, 10:14 AM

More great insight from WhoDat. Seems you have more of an axe to grind than talk any of the players in free-agency. Carrry on.... :casstet:

WhoDat · 03-04-2005, 10:17 AM

Oh, I\'m sorry. Did I interrupt you? Please, by all means, carry on. You were just about to explain to all of us how Ron Dayne would solve all of the Saints problems...

GumboBC · 03-04-2005, 10:30 AM

Oh, I\'m sorry. Did I interrupt you? Please, by all means, carry on. You were just about to explain to all of us how Ron Dayne would solve all of the Saints problems...

I\'m here to talk about the players the Saints are interested in and how they would fit in and help at certain positions.

You, and many others, seem like you have an axe to grind with the Saints\' organization. And you bring it in every thread. Why?

03-03-2005, 10:55 PM	#21
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Mike D - Antonio Pierce rejected Saints. quote: our organization is so screwed up from the outside players won\'t even visit. This is exactly what scares the hell out of me. There has been nothing positive out of the Saints organization in so long it tends to make me wonder if this might not be a fact. All this talk of trouble between the offense and defense. The owner calling it a high school team. The head coach damn near being fired. A defensive co-ordinator that is impossible to figure out. And to top it all off, when they do get rid of someone, they don\'t even look outside the organization for a replacement. I\'m really at a loss about this team. M-I-C.... K-E-Y.... Seems like someone said this a long time ago. Maybe Kyle Turley proved once again that crazy don\'t mean dumb.
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03-03-2005, 11:12 PM	#22
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	Mike D - Antonio Pierce rejected Saints. Why don\'t FA\'s come here? These guys do have agents, and I would think that they would want to get some kind of idea about what kind of money or deal they are talking about before they put their guy on a plane...just a theory, but there is some truth to the phrase, \"Money talks... BS walks.\"
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03-04-2005, 03:03 AM	#23
shadowdrinker Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 517	Mike D - Antonio Pierce rejected Saints. They don\'t come here because.. 1. THE OWNER CALLED HIS OWN TEAM HIGH SCHOOLERS!!!!!!...That\'s like Ford calling the Mustang a \'\'Sissy Car\'\'...Think about it.. 2. L.A. is still looming...and we are top on the list 3. Haslett..for whatever reason, is still Coaching...so is Venturi..these guys are considered a joke...and the players are showing it by blowing off any invite... It\'s not a good time to be a Saint.... [Edited on 4/3/2005 by shadowdrinker]
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03-04-2005, 09:33 AM	#24
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Mike D - Antonio Pierce rejected Saints. There are three good reasons why a player would blow off the Saints. First - money. The Saints don\'t pay. Period. We may have some big names, but AB was the last guy to get a \"big\" contract, and that was a guy already with the team. The Saints tend to underpay deserving players and overpay bums (see Sullivan, Tebucky, cough Brooks cough)... Why waste your time if the money ain\'t coming? Second, even if you think the money may come, why go to New Orleans? Money isn\'t the only way players make decisions. For the most part, a highly sought after player is going to get offers that, over the long run, don\'t differ a ton. If you have to think about other factors, do you really want to play for a perinial loser with a bunch of underachievers, problems top to bottom, in one of the league\'s smallest and poorest markets with no real shot at playing for a championship? The New Orleans Saints are the LA Clippers, without the benefits of LA.... Third, if you\'re not likely to get paid, you don\'t believe in the coaches, other players, FO, or team\'s ability to succeed, and see NO as a place players come to die, that\'s probably enough to make you stay away. But if you need even more incentive - this is a very volitile franchise. Negotiations with the State, coaches leaving, GMs fired at the drop of a hat, you never know who the next team cancer will be, players fitiing on planes... There\'s just no security or professionalism in New Orleans - and maybe a player isn\'t wise enough to see that, but his agent certainly is.
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

03-04-2005, 09:42 AM	#25
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Mike D - Antonio Pierce rejected Saints. Well, as it turns out, Pierce was scheduled to visit many teams but the Giants called and made him an offer that was more than he was seeking. He then informed his agent to get the deal done and cancel all talks and visits with all teams. Including the Saints. But, carry on telling us why the Saints suck! [Edited on 4/3/2005 by GumboBC]
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03-04-2005, 10:06 AM	#26
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Mike D - Antonio Pierce rejected Saints. I will. And you just keep on explaining how OG, TE, and RB will fix all the team\'s problems. You seem to have \"flopped\" back over from the \"I don\'t like what I\'m seeing\" side to the \"Sunny\" side of the street. What did that take, 10 seconds?
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03-04-2005, 10:14 AM	#27
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Mike D - Antonio Pierce rejected Saints. More great insight from WhoDat. Seems you have more of an axe to grind than talk any of the players in free-agency. Carrry on.... :casstet:
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03-04-2005, 10:17 AM	#28
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Mike D - Antonio Pierce rejected Saints. Oh, I\'m sorry. Did I interrupt you? Please, by all means, carry on. You were just about to explain to all of us how Ron Dayne would solve all of the Saints problems...
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03-04-2005, 10:30 AM	#29
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Mike D - Antonio Pierce rejected Saints. Oh, I\'m sorry. Did I interrupt you? Please, by all means, carry on. You were just about to explain to all of us how Ron Dayne would solve all of the Saints problems... I\'m here to talk about the players the Saints are interested in and how they would fit in and help at certain positions. You, and many others, seem like you have an axe to grind with the Saints\' organization. And you bring it in every thread. Why?
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