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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; As it stands Ryan Nassib Mike Glennon Kirk Cousins Are all FA next year. Not saying any are franchise QBs but if my theory is right about thr front office waiting to see what happens they could be worth a ...
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Re: Drew Brees applies deadline to talks with Saints on a new deal
As it stands
Ryan Nassib Mike Glennon Kirk Cousins Are all FA next year. Not saying any are franchise QBs but if my theory is right about thr front office waiting to see what happens they could be worth a look Of a EJ Manuel and Geno Smith and we can all pretend its the 85-05 again |
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Re: Drew Brees applies deadline to talks with Saints on a new deal
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Re: Drew Brees applies deadline to talks with Saints on a new deal
I would like to observe that the same was said of Farve in Green Bay and Manning in Indianapolis.
I really feel that many folks here are misreading today's NFL QB market. Frankly many Saints fans have gotten so used to Brees being so good and so consistent for so long they really do not realize how valuable a commodity he is, even at 39,40, and 41 years old. As pointed out earlier, Brees has all the leverage here. A $75 million, 3 year, all guaranteed contract isn't out of the question next year for Brees. There are teams out there that have both the cap space and the desperation to make that offer. There are only 3 or 4 elite NFL QBs. Brees is in that category. And I reiterate that Brees isn't in the same situation as Brady. Brady's wife literally makes $40 million+ a year. Brady can afford to be flexible. Like Farve and Manning, Brees' legacy is already cemented. He doesn't have to finish as a Saint to be considered one of the greatest QBs in NFL history. He already has the stats and track record to ensure that no matter what happens from 2017 to 2020. Like everyone, NFL players want to be paid worth their value and to have safety and security. Just take a look at Joe Flacco last year to see why multiple years and guaranteed money are important. So just to put it in perspective. Think about the type of dollars it would take to get Brady, Luck, or Rodgers to come and play for the Saints. Think about the total contract value, years, and guaranteed money. That's what's going to have to be put on the table to keep Brees beyond 2016. And it's a worthless argument to try to mitigate this with age. 10 years of elite performance, including being in the top 3 in every passing category last year means the age is just a number in this instance. So the only question is whether or not the Saints are prepared to pony up $25 million or so per year for at least 3 years with most of the dollars guaranteed. At $44 million, franchising isn't an option. SFIAH |
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Re: Drew Brees applies deadline to talks with Saints on a new deal
I stand corrected. we can not play that tagging with Drew. I forgot we lost the arbitration claim in 2012, Crap
That’s the closest Brees or his agent have come to pointing out the reality that, if the Saints allow Brees to play out the final year of his five-year, $100 million contract, the circumstances will change, dramatically. They’ll change thanks to the arbitration claim filed by Brees after the Saints applied the franchise tag to him in 2012, which resulted in a ruling that the next application of the tag to Brees will be the third of his career. Drew Brees applies deadline to talks with Saints on a new deal | ProFootballTalk Need to read slower i guess |
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Re: Drew Brees applies deadline to talks with Saints on a new deal
This feels like extortion to me. Remember Drew Brees is who hired Tom Condon in the first place. He was advised by Condon and held out at camp last time while missing the reps with his team. I don't believe that Drew Brees is team oriented anymore.
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Re: Drew Brees applies deadline to talks with Saints on a new deal
Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II
I'm sorry, but you are totally wrong about that. It was the NFLPA that wanted Brees to hold out until a ruling could be made on the franchise tag issue. Brees agreed when asked by the PA to force the Saints to apply the tag by not committing to an early deal. If you remember, Brees was previously tagged by the Chargers. The league argued that a Saints tag was not a second tag and therefore only carried the average of the top five players at the position. The PA insisted that a second tag by ANY team, not only the first to apply one, should be subject to the increased level of compensation. After several weeks it was determined that the PA was correct and Brees signed the new deal almost immediately thereafter.![]()
Brees took that hit for all players in the league. The Saints front office knew exactly what was going on. To imply that Brees is not team oriented is crazy. Brees has said he is more than willing to finalize an extension on several occasions. It is Loomis that is holding things up, not Condon and Brees. |
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Re: Drew Brees applies deadline to talks with Saints on a new deal
Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II
You can believe that Brees isn't team oriented. However, it is dead flat wrong to assert that Brees held out at camp.![]()
At the beginning of the league year in 2012 Drew Brees became a free agent. He was not a Saint from March of 2012 until July when he signed his contract. While he was tagged and tendered as exclusive franchise player, since the tender wasn't signed during that time Brees was not a part of the organization and could not participate in team activities because he was not under contract. The arbitration case for number of times Brees was tagged wasn't settled until the first week in July. Brees signed one week later. All this happened before training camp started. So at no time during that period did Brees hold out because of his agent. C'mon folks. Just for a minute stop thinking like fans and understand this is a career and a business. The next contract Drew Brees signs is likely going to be his last in the NFL. Even at 38 he is one of the top three QBs in the league. The value of such QBs is approaching $25 million a year. If your current job was offering a 10% reduction of salary while some other organization was offering a 25% raise and all your dollars guaranteed, people would consider you a fool to stay "out of loyalty to the team". In fact they would tell you that you should consider that offer an insult because it clearly shows that your current organization doesn't value your contributions. Just because the money is on a different scale doesn't change the reasoning of why people consider offers or why market price is important. It's not extorsion. It's just a tough situation. Brees is playing at a level where a team that only needs a QB piece may be willing to pony up that type money on a 2-3 year contract to get the brass ring. Think about a team that is close to the same situation as the Houston Texans were this year. The Saints will have to decide if they are one of those teams in that situation. This upcoming 2016 season can tell us a lot about that. SFIAH |
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Re: Drew Brees applies deadline to talks with Saints on a new deal
Drew deserved his contract at the end of 2011, but now he knows he's nearing the end of his career he should try and think about the team more than himself. He's already more than set up his family for several lifetimes, why hold out, sign a two year contract, coach up your replacement and retire a saint.
I still believe Brees' contract was the reason we lost Carl Nick's, our O line was incredible in those years, now Brees runs for his life and won't give the team any money as they try to help him get more super bowls before his time is up. |
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Re: Drew Brees applies deadline to talks with Saints on a new deal
Brees has already made a helluva lot of money w the Saints. Saints showed him the love in 2011 and he is set for life plus some. It's time for Drew to do the same if he's really sincere about wanting to retire as a Saint.
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