Akiem Hicks backs Rob Ryan, says Ryan’s power was stripped

dizzle88 · 06-02-2016, 12:54 AM

I wish we had signed Romeo Crennel, I thought I was wrong after Ryans first year and he put up decent numbers, Crennel is still fielding a top ten D every year.

spkb25 · 06-02-2016, 04:29 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I wish we had signed Romeo Crennel, I thought I was wrong after Ryans first year and he put up decent numbers, Crennel is still fielding a top ten D every year.

That was who I wanted, him or wade

WillSaints81 · 06-02-2016, 01:55 AM

At some point it's got to be true. I mean as I said SP panicked after losing to Seattle and tried to copy their defense. And I hate doing this but in 2014 we had no number 2 corner, a hurt starting safety, one who had a sophomore slump, and were in our first year without Vilma, Harper, Greer, Jenkins. How can RR make a defense with those missing pieces better? And by taking RR's power away I don't think we are necesarrily talking about when Allen came in but that SP got involved in RR's playcalling and I could see that being the season after 2013. If not it was because Byrd got hurt.

We might be fixing it now but it's honestly time we accept that SP screwed up the 2014 offseason.

spkb25 · 06-02-2016, 04:32 AM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

At some point it's got to be true. I mean as I said SP panicked after losing to Seattle and tried to copy their defense. And I hate doing this but in 2014 we had no number 2 corner, a hurt starting safety, one who had a sophomore slump, and were in our first year without Vilma, Harper, Greer, Jenkins. How can RR make a defense with those missing pieces better? And by taking RR's power away I don't think we are necesarrily talking about when Allen came in but that SP got involved in RR's playcalling and I could see that being the season after 2013. If not it was because Byrd got hurt.

We might be fixing it now but it's honestly time we accept that SP screwed up the 2014 offseason.

Vilma did not play in '13, and he was well on the down swing in '11 and '12. The signal his career was over starte two years prior to '13 as he didn't play full seasons and had half the tackles he previously did
Harper wasn't a loss.
I would agree that Jenkins was only because his best season for the Saints was his final season. You could see he had finally put it together. I didn't like letting him go.
Greer was a huge loss, but he didn't take us from 4rth to 32. That loss wasn't on anyone, however, it was an injury.

Finally, What happened in Oakland?

WillSaints81 · 06-02-2016, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

Vilma did not play in '13, and he was well on the down swing in '11 and '12. The signal his career was over starte two years prior to '13 as he didn't play full seasons and had half the tackles he previously did
Harper wasn't a loss.
I would agree that Jenkins was only because his best season for the Saints was his final season. You could see he had finally put it together. I didn't like letting him go.
Greer was a huge loss, but he didn't take us from 4rth to 32. That loss wasn't on anyone, however, it was an injury.

Finally, What happened in Oakland?

Oakland was a bad team. Their offense was pathetic. I'm not defending Ryan. But we need to quit acting like we are so perfect.

spkb25 · 06-02-2016, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

Oakland was a bad team. Their offense was pathetic. I'm not defending Ryan. But we need to quit acting like we are so perfect.

Dude you can't have it both ways. It can't be Sean did it and when it happens in Oakland it was because the team stunk. He has had two top 10 defenses and 2 top 20 defenses in 12 years. That means 2/3 of the time his d is in the other side of 20. No, it wasn't Sean

spkb25 · 06-02-2016, 04:32 AM

Funny how this comes from a guy whose career tanked right about the same time...
29 tackles and 4.5 sacks is his best season. Yeah...

MatthewT · 06-02-2016, 05:04 AM

None of us will ever know the real truth, but something hasn't been right since day 1. Gary Gibbs, Gregg Williams, Steve Spagnuolo, Rob Ryan, and now Dennis Allen. We are only talking since 2006, that is not a long time. What is really going on?

jeanpierre · 06-02-2016, 07:31 AM

Hey, look, it is what it is and I'm not surprised...

The fact that Payton rolled out a defense last year with two defensive coordinators speaks volumes - that was horrible, horrible management...

One vision, one direction, one leader - what Payton did was wrong...

Payton is the greatest offensive mind/playcaller since Bill Walsh - bar none...

But this is why you need a strong general manager, not to rubber stamp everything, but to reign in the coach from his own dastardly genius...

And it should tell you something that Romeo had misgivens about coming to work for Sean Payton...

As I said earlier, I don't blame Ryan for being hurt, he just shouldn't have aired it out there unless he felt he felt the risk of losing job opportunities was greater than staying silent and being loyal, taking the hit full...

CheramieIII · 06-02-2016, 08:44 AM

Payton needs to let the DC do his job and when he screws up correct the screw up not the entire defense. Consistency wins!

06-02-2016, 12:54 AM	#1
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,523	Re: Akiem Hicks backs Rob Ryan, says Ryan’s power was stripped I wish we had signed Romeo Crennel, I thought I was wrong after Ryans first year and he put up decent numbers, Crennel is still fielding a top ten D every year. jnormand, spkb25, MatthewT and 1 others like this.

06-02-2016, 04:29 AM	#2
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,123	Re: Akiem Hicks backs Rob Ryan, says Ryan’s power was stripped Originally Posted by dizzle88 I wish we had signed Romeo Crennel, I thought I was wrong after Ryans first year and he put up decent numbers, Crennel is still fielding a top ten D every year. That was who I wanted, him or wade jnormand and MatthewT like this.

06-02-2016, 01:55 AM	#3
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,276	Re: Akiem Hicks backs Rob Ryan, says Ryan’s power was stripped At some point it's got to be true. I mean as I said SP panicked after losing to Seattle and tried to copy their defense. And I hate doing this but in 2014 we had no number 2 corner, a hurt starting safety, one who had a sophomore slump, and were in our first year without Vilma, Harper, Greer, Jenkins. How can RR make a defense with those missing pieces better? And by taking RR's power away I don't think we are necesarrily talking about when Allen came in but that SP got involved in RR's playcalling and I could see that being the season after 2013. If not it was because Byrd got hurt. We might be fixing it now but it's honestly time we accept that SP screwed up the 2014 offseason. MatthewT and WhoDatFan26 like this.

06-02-2016, 04:32 AM	#4
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,123	Re: Akiem Hicks backs Rob Ryan, says Ryan’s power was stripped Originally Posted by WillSaints81 At some point it's got to be true. I mean as I said SP panicked after losing to Seattle and tried to copy their defense. And I hate doing this but in 2014 we had no number 2 corner, a hurt starting safety, one who had a sophomore slump, and were in our first year without Vilma, Harper, Greer, Jenkins. How can RR make a defense with those missing pieces better? And by taking RR's power away I don't think we are necesarrily talking about when Allen came in but that SP got involved in RR's playcalling and I could see that being the season after 2013. If not it was because Byrd got hurt. We might be fixing it now but it's honestly time we accept that SP screwed up the 2014 offseason. Vilma did not play in '13, and he was well on the down swing in '11 and '12. The signal his career was over starte two years prior to '13 as he didn't play full seasons and had half the tackles he previously did Harper wasn't a loss. I would agree that Jenkins was only because his best season for the Saints was his final season. You could see he had finally put it together. I didn't like letting him go. Greer was a huge loss, but he didn't take us from 4rth to 32. That loss wasn't on anyone, however, it was an injury. Finally, What happened in Oakland?
	Your team stinks

06-02-2016, 01:21 PM	#5
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,276	Re: Akiem Hicks backs Rob Ryan, says Ryan’s power was stripped Originally Posted by spkb25 Vilma did not play in '13, and he was well on the down swing in '11 and '12. The signal his career was over starte two years prior to '13 as he didn't play full seasons and had half the tackles he previously did Harper wasn't a loss. I would agree that Jenkins was only because his best season for the Saints was his final season. You could see he had finally put it together. I didn't like letting him go. Greer was a huge loss, but he didn't take us from 4rth to 32. That loss wasn't on anyone, however, it was an injury. Finally, What happened in Oakland? Oakland was a bad team. Their offense was pathetic. I'm not defending Ryan. But we need to quit acting like we are so perfect.

06-02-2016, 04:13 PM	#6
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,123	Re: Akiem Hicks backs Rob Ryan, says Ryan’s power was stripped Originally Posted by WillSaints81 Oakland was a bad team. Their offense was pathetic. I'm not defending Ryan. But we need to quit acting like we are so perfect. Dude you can't have it both ways. It can't be Sean did it and when it happens in Oakland it was because the team stunk. He has had two top 10 defenses and 2 top 20 defenses in 12 years. That means 2/3 of the time his d is in the other side of 20. No, it wasn't Sean jnormand and Beastmode like this.

06-02-2016, 05:04 AM	#8
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: Akiem Hicks backs Rob Ryan, says Ryan’s power was stripped None of us will ever know the real truth, but something hasn't been right since day 1. Gary Gibbs, Gregg Williams, Steve Spagnuolo, Rob Ryan, and now Dennis Allen. We are only talking since 2006, that is not a long time. What is really going on? neugey, Rugby Saint II and Seer1 like this.

06-02-2016, 07:31 AM	#9
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Akiem Hicks backs Rob Ryan, says Ryan’s power was stripped Hey, look, it is what it is and I'm not surprised... The fact that Payton rolled out a defense last year with two defensive coordinators speaks volumes - that was horrible, horrible management... One vision, one direction, one leader - what Payton did was wrong... Payton is the greatest offensive mind/playcaller since Bill Walsh - bar none... *But this is why you need a strong* general manager**, not to rubber stamp everything, but to reign in the coach from his own dastardly genius... And it should tell you something that Romeo had misgivens about coming to work for Sean Payton... As I said earlier, I don't blame Ryan for being hurt, he just shouldn't have aired it out there unless he felt he felt the risk of losing job opportunities was greater than staying silent and being loyal, taking the hit full... SmashMouth, Rugby Saint II, K Major and 2 others like this.
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06-02-2016, 08:44 AM	#10
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,496 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Akiem Hicks backs Rob Ryan, says Ryan’s power was stripped Payton needs to let the DC do his job and when he screws up correct the screw up not the entire defense. Consistency wins! SmashMouth, halloween 65 and WhoDatFan26 like this.

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