Notes and observations from Thursday’s organized team activity

SaintFanInATLHELL · 06-04-2016, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by CheramieIII

GIGI will be the starter next year if Drew doesn't sign a new contract at a lot less money then he's getting now. If he hits FA he will get a 2 or 3 year deal that will be totally skewed to the signing team. Drew has always said he wants to stay in New Orleans. PROVE IT!

If after all is said and done Drew plays hardball with the team and city that took him in when no one else would then he deserves to end his career getting beat up in Cleveland.

WOW! It's amazing to watch how quickly someone can turn from hero to goat. Don't you think that 10 years of HOF excellence, playoff performances, and a SB win is sufficient repayment for the "team taking him in"?

Also let's not forget that Brees took a depressed, team skewed contract when he came in 2006. 6 years/$60 million was literally theft by the Saints for what they got in return. And 5 years in, even the second contract at $100 million turn out to be middle of the road in 2016.

I guess that anything other than complete capitulation to the team and the fans against your own self interest is playing "hardball". Does anyone really think that Brees retiring a Saint is worth shortening his career by two years and giving up $50 million? I mean really?

Let me propose an alternative for you to think about. John Elway and Gary Kubiak recognize that the window is still open for Denver after 2016. They offer Brees 3 years at market rates. The offense rises to top 5 status matching the top 5 defense that's already in place. The Broncos go on to win consecutive championships and Brees goes into the hall of fame as a 3 time winning SB QB as a Bronco.

Don't get it twisted. Negotiating near market rates isn't hardball. Hardball would be asking for a contract that's 5 year/$150 million/$100 million guaranteed with $75 million at signing. That's hardball. There is no indication that's what Brees and Condon are asking for.

I'm really glad that the cool, reasonable head of Mickey Loomis is managing this negotiation. That way something reasonable that is actually in the ballpark of the market will actually get done instead throwing out an insulting lowball offer and then waving "Bye!" to the best QB that this organization may ever see.

I think everyone needs to get wrapped around their heads that the market rate for top 5 NFL HOF level QBs (Brees, Brady, Rodgers) is $25 million a year. That's the market. The Saints can rightfully decide that they cannot afford paying Brees at that rate. But it's really disingenuous to say that asking for a contract at that rate level is playing "hardball"

SFIAH

CheramieIII · 06-05-2016, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

WOW! It's amazing to watch how quickly someone can turn from hero to goat. Don't you think that 10 years of HOF excellence, playoff performances, and a SB win is sufficient repayment for the "team taking him in"?

Also let's not forget that Brees took a depressed, team skewed contract when he came in 2006. 6 years/$60 million was literally theft by the Saints for what they got in return. And 5 years in, even the second contract at $100 million turn out to be middle of the road in 2016.

I guess that anything other than complete capitulation to the team and the fans against your own self interest is playing "hardball". Does anyone really think that Brees retiring a Saint is worth shortening his career by two years and giving up $50 million? I mean really?

Let me propose an alternative for you to think about. John Elway and Gary Kubiak recognize that the window is still open for Denver after 2016. They offer Brees 3 years at market rates. The offense rises to top 5 status matching the top 5 defense that's already in place. The Broncos go on to win consecutive championships and Brees goes into the hall of fame as a 3 time winning SB QB as a Bronco.

Don't get it twisted. Negotiating near market rates isn't hardball. Hardball would be asking for a contract that's 5 year/$150 million/$100 million guaranteed with $75 million at signing. That's hardball. There is no indication that's what Brees and Condon are asking for.

I'm really glad that the cool, reasonable head of Mickey Loomis is managing this negotiation. That way something reasonable that is actually in the ballpark of the market will actually get done instead throwing out an insulting lowball offer and then waving "Bye!" to the best QB that this organization may ever see.

I think everyone needs to get wrapped around their heads that the market rate for top 5 NFL HOF level QBs (Brees, Brady, Rodgers) is $25 million a year. That's the market. The Saints can rightfully decide that they cannot afford paying Brees at that rate. But it's really disingenuous to say that asking for a contract at that rate level is playing "hardball"

SFIAH

Look I didn't say Brees didn't do anything for the Saints or the city. I'm saying that the Saints don't have the money, period. That Drew needs to recognize what we really did for him. If we hadn't sign him NO ONE ELSE WOULD HAVE and you think that wasn't a lot?

I think it's time for Drew to consider taking a lower salary, NO PLAYER IS WORTH 25 MILLION A YEAR TO PLAY FOOTBALL!

and if the Broncos want to pay that then let them have at it. I'm not going to worry about 10 years from now when we need to worry about today and the Saints current situation.

spkb25 · 06-05-2016, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by CheramieIII

NO PLAYER IS WORTH 25 MILLION A YEAR TO PLAY FOOTBALL!

Says who?

AsylumGuido · 06-05-2016, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

Says who?

Exactly!

CheramieIII · 06-05-2016, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

Says who?

Says me and remember opinions are objective and everyone has one.

spkb25 · 06-05-2016, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by CheramieIII

Says me and remember opinions are objective and everyone has one.

There's less than 3,000 people in the entire world that can play professional football. He plays the position that is considered the most important on the field and generally is the highest paid. He does this as one of the absolute best in the game.

The marketplace decides value.
But unless you're writing checks it doesn't really matter...

AsylumGuido · 06-05-2016, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by CheramieIII

Look I didn't say Brees didn't do anything for the Saints or the city. I'm saying that the Saints don't have the money, period. That Drew needs to recognize what we really did for him. If we hadn't sign him NO ONE ELSE WOULD HAVE and you think that wasn't a lot?

I think it's time for Drew to consider taking a lower salary, NO PLAYER IS WORTH 25 MILLION A YEAR TO PLAY FOOTBALL!

and if the Broncos want to pay that then let them have at it. I'm not going to worry about 10 years from now when we need to worry about today and the Saints current situation.

Where in the hell did you get the idea that the Saints don't have the money? Are you basing that on rambling by some members here that do not have a clue? It is not based at all upon fact. After this season the Saints can afford to pay Brees as much as the market bears. Easily!

And if we wouldn't have signed him he most definitely would have signed elsewhere,and maybe for even more than the lowball figure we signed him at.

And where do you come up with the statement that no player is worth $25 million a years to play football? The NFL has revenues approaching $10 BILLION per year and that number keeps rapidly climbing while the rosters stay frozen at 53 players. The average value of an NFL franchise tops a BILLION dollars! Top fashion models get paid $25 million per year. Top actors regularly bring in $100 million per year. Top CEO's can make $50-$100 million per year. What you personally feel a football player is worth is totally meaningless. If an NFL team is ready and willing to pay that amount then that is what that player is worth. Believing anything different is living in a fantasy world.

And I AM thinking about today. Today the only chance the Saints have of being winners is with Brees under center. We are finally clearing the slate clean, so we can hopefully not throw more money away on BAD personnel moves and stick to the best personnel move in the history of the franchise, the acquisition and retention of Drew Brees!

The Dude · 06-05-2016, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by CheramieIII

Look I didn't say Brees didn't do anything for the Saints or the city. I'm saying that the Saints don't have the money, period. That Drew needs to recognize what we really did for him. If we hadn't sign him NO ONE ELSE WOULD HAVE and you think that wasn't a lot?

I think it's time for Drew to consider taking a lower salary, NO PLAYER IS WORTH 25 MILLION A YEAR TO PLAY FOOTBALL!

and if the Broncos want to pay that then let them have at it. I'm not going to worry about 10 years from now when we need to worry about today and the Saints current situation.

Why on earth does it matter to you how much he gets paid? It's not your money. If he gets a new deal it will be front loaded and cap friendly, plus the cap goes up next year AND a lot of the dead money we have now will be done with.
It has no effect on the teams ability to sign players in the future.
You take this way too personal, but I am sure you would walk up to your boss and say "hey boss, I know I am worth more but I would like to take a pay cut or forgo my next raise for the good of the company. I think you are paying too much out of pocket for my salary"

AsylumGuido · 06-05-2016, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Why on earth does it matter to you how much he gets paid? It's not your money. If he gets a new deal it will be front loaded and cap friendly, plus the cap goes up next year AND a lot of the dead money we have now will be done with.
It has no effect on the teams ability to sign players in the future.
You take this way too personal, but I am sure you would walk up to your boss and say "hey boss, I know I am worth more but I would like to take a pay cut or forgo my next raise for the good of the company. I think you are paying too much out of pocket for my salary"

This seems obvious to most, but our friend here is one of the irrational few that cannot accept reality.

CheramieIII · 06-05-2016, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

This seems obvious to most, but our friend here is one of the irrational few that cannot accept reality.

Reality. come on Guido you've been out there a few times yourself and like I said everyone has their own opinion.

06-04-2016, 09:13 AM	#1
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,790	Re: Notes and observations from Thursday’s organized team activity Originally Posted by CheramieIII GIGI will be the starter next year if Drew doesn't sign a new contract at a lot less money then he's getting now. If he hits FA he will get a 2 or 3 year deal that will be totally skewed to the signing team. Drew has always said he wants to stay in New Orleans. PROVE IT! If after all is said and done Drew plays hardball with the team and city that took him in when no one else would then he deserves to end his career getting beat up in Cleveland. WOW! It's amazing to watch how quickly someone can turn from hero to goat. Don't you think that 10 years of HOF excellence, playoff performances, and a SB win is sufficient repayment for the "team taking him in"? Also let's not forget that Brees took a depressed, team skewed contract when he came in 2006. 6 years/$60 million was literally theft by the Saints for what they got in return. And 5 years in, even the second contract at $100 million turn out to be middle of the road in 2016. I guess that anything other than complete capitulation to the team and the fans against your own self interest is playing "hardball". Does anyone really think that Brees retiring a Saint is worth shortening his career by two years and giving up $50 million? I mean really? Let me propose an alternative for you to think about. John Elway and Gary Kubiak recognize that the window is still open for Denver after 2016. They offer Brees 3 years at market rates. The offense rises to top 5 status matching the top 5 defense that's already in place. The Broncos go on to win consecutive championships and Brees goes into the hall of fame as a 3 time winning SB QB as a Bronco. Don't get it twisted. Negotiating near market rates isn't hardball. Hardball would be asking for a contract that's 5 year/$150 million/$100 million guaranteed with $75 million at signing. That's hardball. There is no indication that's what Brees and Condon are asking for. I'm really glad that the cool, reasonable head of Mickey Loomis is managing this negotiation. That way something reasonable that is actually in the ballpark of the market will actually get done instead throwing out an insulting lowball offer and then waving "Bye!" to the best QB that this organization may ever see. I think everyone needs to get wrapped around their heads that the market rate for top 5 NFL HOF level QBs (Brees, Brady, Rodgers) is $25 million a year. That's the market. The Saints can rightfully decide that they cannot afford paying Brees at that rate. But it's really disingenuous to say that asking for a contract at that rate level is playing "hardball" SFIAH jnormand, AsylumGuido, Seer1 and 2 others like this.
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06-05-2016, 10:34 AM	#2
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,497 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Notes and observations from Thursday’s organized team activity Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL WOW! It's amazing to watch how quickly someone can turn from hero to goat. Don't you think that 10 years of HOF excellence, playoff performances, and a SB win is sufficient repayment for the "team taking him in"? Also let's not forget that Brees took a depressed, team skewed contract when he came in 2006. 6 years/$60 million was literally theft by the Saints for what they got in return. And 5 years in, even the second contract at $100 million turn out to be middle of the road in 2016. I guess that anything other than complete capitulation to the team and the fans against your own self interest is playing "hardball". Does anyone really think that Brees retiring a Saint is worth shortening his career by two years and giving up $50 million? I mean really? Let me propose an alternative for you to think about. John Elway and Gary Kubiak recognize that the window is still open for Denver after 2016. They offer Brees 3 years at market rates. The offense rises to top 5 status matching the top 5 defense that's already in place. The Broncos go on to win consecutive championships and Brees goes into the hall of fame as a 3 time winning SB QB as a Bronco. Don't get it twisted. Negotiating near market rates isn't hardball. Hardball would be asking for a contract that's 5 year/$150 million/$100 million guaranteed with $75 million at signing. That's hardball. There is no indication that's what Brees and Condon are asking for. I'm really glad that the cool, reasonable head of Mickey Loomis is managing this negotiation. That way something reasonable that is actually in the ballpark of the market will actually get done instead throwing out an insulting lowball offer and then waving "Bye!" to the best QB that this organization may ever see. I think everyone needs to get wrapped around their heads that the market rate for top 5 NFL HOF level QBs (Brees, Brady, Rodgers) is $25 million a year. That's the market. The Saints can rightfully decide that they cannot afford paying Brees at that rate. But it's really disingenuous to say that asking for a contract at that rate level is playing "hardball" SFIAH Look I didn't say Brees didn't do anything for the Saints or the city. I'm saying that the Saints don't have the money, period. That Drew needs to recognize what we really did for him. If we hadn't sign him NO ONE ELSE WOULD HAVE and you think that wasn't a lot? I think it's time for Drew to consider taking a lower salary, NO PLAYER IS WORTH 25 MILLION A YEAR TO PLAY FOOTBALL! and if the Broncos want to pay that then let them have at it. I'm not going to worry about 10 years from now when we need to worry about today and the Saints current situation. dizzle88 likes this.
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06-05-2016, 11:17 AM	#3
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,147	Re: Notes and observations from Thursday’s organized team activity Originally Posted by CheramieIII NO PLAYER IS WORTH 25 MILLION A YEAR TO PLAY FOOTBALL! Says who? AsylumGuido likes this.

06-05-2016, 11:23 AM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,954	Re: Notes and observations from Thursday’s organized team activity Originally Posted by spkb25 Says who? Exactly!

06-05-2016, 12:26 PM	#5
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,497 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Notes and observations from Thursday’s organized team activity Originally Posted by spkb25 Says who? Says me and remember opinions are objective and everyone has one.

06-05-2016, 02:15 PM	#6
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,147	Re: Notes and observations from Thursday’s organized team activity Originally Posted by CheramieIII Says me and remember opinions are objective and everyone has one. There's less than 3,000 people in the entire world that can play professional football. He plays the position that is considered the most important on the field and generally is the highest paid. He does this as one of the absolute best in the game. The marketplace decides value. But unless you're writing checks it doesn't really matter... SaintFanInATLHELL, CheramieIII and AsylumGuido like this.

06-05-2016, 11:22 AM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,954	Re: Notes and observations from Thursday’s organized team activity Originally Posted by CheramieIII Look I didn't say Brees didn't do anything for the Saints or the city. I'm saying that the Saints don't have the money, period. That Drew needs to recognize what we really did for him. If we hadn't sign him NO ONE ELSE WOULD HAVE and you think that wasn't a lot? I think it's time for Drew to consider taking a lower salary, NO PLAYER IS WORTH 25 MILLION A YEAR TO PLAY FOOTBALL! and if the Broncos want to pay that then let them have at it. I'm not going to worry about 10 years from now when we need to worry about today and the Saints current situation. Where in the hell did you get the idea that the Saints don't have the money? Are you basing that on rambling by some members here that do not have a clue? It is not based at all upon fact. After this season the Saints can afford to pay Brees as much as the market bears. Easily! And if we wouldn't have signed him he most definitely would have signed elsewhere,and maybe for even more than the lowball figure we signed him at. And where do you come up with the statement that no player is worth $25 million a years to play football? The NFL has revenues approaching $10 BILLION per year and that number keeps rapidly climbing while the rosters stay frozen at 53 players. The average value of an NFL franchise tops a BILLION dollars! Top fashion models get paid $25 million per year. Top actors regularly bring in $100 million per year. Top CEO's can make $50-$100 million per year. What you personally feel a football player is worth is totally meaningless. If an NFL team is ready and willing to pay that amount then that is what that player is worth. Believing anything different is living in a fantasy world. And I AM thinking about today. Today the only chance the Saints have of being winners is with Brees under center. We are finally clearing the slate clean, so we can hopefully not throw more money away on BAD personnel moves and stick to the best personnel move in the history of the franchise, the acquisition and retention of Drew Brees! spkb25 and The Dude like this.

06-05-2016, 11:24 AM	#8
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,076	Re: Notes and observations from Thursday’s organized team activity Originally Posted by CheramieIII Look I didn't say Brees didn't do anything for the Saints or the city. I'm saying that the Saints don't have the money, period. That Drew needs to recognize what we really did for him. If we hadn't sign him NO ONE ELSE WOULD HAVE and you think that wasn't a lot? I think it's time for Drew to consider taking a lower salary, NO PLAYER IS WORTH 25 MILLION A YEAR TO PLAY FOOTBALL! and if the Broncos want to pay that then let them have at it. I'm not going to worry about 10 years from now when we need to worry about today and the Saints current situation. Why on earth does it matter to you how much he gets paid? It's not your money. If he gets a new deal it will be front loaded and cap friendly, plus the cap goes up next year AND a lot of the dead money we have now will be done with. It has no effect on the teams ability to sign players in the future. You take this way too personal, but I am sure you would walk up to your boss and say "hey boss, I know I am worth more but I would like to take a pay cut or forgo my next raise for the good of the company. I think you are paying too much out of pocket for my salary" AsylumGuido likes this.
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06-05-2016, 11:27 AM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,954	Re: Notes and observations from Thursday’s organized team activity Originally Posted by The Dude Why on earth does it matter to you how much he gets paid? It's not your money. If he gets a new deal it will be front loaded and cap friendly, plus the cap goes up next year AND a lot of the dead money we have now will be done with. It has no effect on the teams ability to sign players in the future. You take this way too personal, but I am sure you would walk up to your boss and say "hey boss, I know I am worth more but I would like to take a pay cut or forgo my next raise for the good of the company. I think you are paying too much out of pocket for my salary" This seems obvious to most, but our friend here is one of the irrational few that cannot accept reality.

06-05-2016, 12:27 PM	#10
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,497 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Notes and observations from Thursday’s organized team activity Originally Posted by AsylumGuido This seems obvious to most, but our friend here is one of the irrational few that cannot accept reality. Reality. come on Guido you've been out there a few times yourself and like I said everyone has their own opinion.

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