Since the FO is not looking at defense anyway,

saintswhodi · 03-04-2005, 05:04 PM

how about we trade Deuce to Miami or San Fran for their number one pick and draft Ronnie Brown? Deuce is due a big contract probably, and Benson doesn't wanna pay that money. Brown is a beast and has never been mentioned with conditioning problems(Danno). Since the team is eschewing defense to become more like the Colts anyway, why wouldn't we do this? If there was one player in the draft I woudl trade Deuce to get, it would be Brown. 230 lbs with a 4.40 40 time, built like a truck with great hands. Thoughts?

GumboBC · 03-04-2005, 05:11 PM

Thoughts?

Post another \"I\'m pissed off\" thread \'cause it ain\'t gonna happen. I\'m just kiddin\' w/ya whodi...

In all seriousness, though ... at some point, as a Saints\' fan, you\'ve got to have some loyalty to some of the players. Otherwise - you\'re just a fan of the Saints\' logo.

No matter how many better runningbacks MAY be out there, I will ALWAYS want Deuce to be our guy. That is, as long as he\'s still producing.

And that\'s the way I feel about all the players on the Saints. There are better defensive ends than Charles Grant, but Charles Grant is my guy. I\'ll live with him and I\'ll die with him.

So long as they are producing, I\'m with \'em all the way.

papz · 03-04-2005, 05:16 PM

Interesting idea which doesn\'t make bad sense at all... even though I love screaming DeUUUUCCCEEeeEEEEEEEEEeeeEEEE!!!!! everytime he touches the ball at the games. On the other hand, he is the face of our offense. Actually he\'s the face of our team and yea we do need to show loyalty to him. What would other free agents think if we did trade him away? Also, why would we trade a Probowler away for a rookie? There are lots of pros and cons with this idea, and I wouldn\'t mind having him here for the next 5-6 years. I also wouldn\'t cry about it if he wasn\'t.

Euphoria · 03-04-2005, 05:16 PM

I am not oppose to trading deuce. However whats the mess with Benson not paying the money... Tagging Howard isn\'t cheap and when you are something like a millions under the cap how the hell can he pay anymore than what he is.

zachsaints52 · 03-04-2005, 05:17 PM

Very true Gumbo, as I have told people Stallworth will be a top 10 WR in the next three years, I am still loyal. But I also see Whodi\'s side..... we just might not be able to afford (spelling?) Deuce later on in his career.

saintswhodi · 03-04-2005, 05:22 PM

However whats the mess with Benson not paying the money... Tagging Howard isn\'t cheap and when you are something like a millions under the cap how the hell can he pay anymore than what he is.

Tagging Howard costs nothing. It just puts a hold on that amount of cap money. Gives them time to trade him or work out a long term deal for less. Benson does not want to pay that money either.

I agree with you guys. I love Deuce, and I am loyal to him. But with decisions like his and Joe\'s contract looming, it is obvious no free agents are gonna get big money here. So we move Deuce\'s contract, it\'s no longer a worry. And we get a stud RB at a lower contract. allows us to devote money to getting better in other areas. I would be very sad to see Deuce go, truly, but if it is the only way for them to feel free to pony up the bucks to get us better on defense, so be it. This franchise doesn\'t know the meaning of the word loyalty anyway. I can name 20 players who should have retired Saints but didn\'t. Don\'t start the loyalty train now.

Euphoria · 03-04-2005, 05:39 PM

a hold... come on be more imaginitive than that. Duh... you trade Howard you trade the cap hit... if you are stuck with Howard you pay the money a duh... he paid it this past year... are we forget ful Howard was Tagged last year?

saintswhodi · 03-04-2005, 05:47 PM

a hold... come on be more imaginitive than that. Duh... you trade Howard you trade the cap hit... if you are stuck with Howard you pay the money a duh... he paid it this past year... are we forget ful Howard was Tagged last year?

Are you serious? Do you know what a hold is or how it works? Let me help you, it temporarily suspends money until the transaction it was presented for goes through. Why would I need more imagination when that is EXACTLY what the tag does? He hasn\'t signed the offer yet, so it is still a hold. He is guaranteed it IF HE SIGNS THE OFFER, not just cause they placed the tag on him. They could take the tag off of him before he signs the offer, he becomes a UFA, and the cap HOLD is gone for that amount.

Euphoria · 03-04-2005, 05:55 PM

Dude you act like you are the only smart one here I got news for you there are at least 3 of us here... LOL.

Not to get off point here but... he was tagged last year as well. gets 120 percent what he got last year. If ya pay him last year what makes you thing Benson isn\'t willing to pay him for tagging him yet again. That is the point I am making.

[Edited on 4/3/2005 by Euphoria]

Danno · 03-04-2005, 05:57 PM

Brown is a beast and has never been mentioned with conditioning problems(Danno).

:shrug:

03-04-2005, 05:04 PM	#1
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Since the FO is not looking at defense anyway, how about we trade Deuce to Miami or San Fran for their number one pick and draft Ronnie Brown? Deuce is due a big contract probably, and Benson doesn't wanna pay that money. Brown is a beast and has never been mentioned with conditioning problems(Danno). Since the team is eschewing defense to become more like the Colts anyway, why wouldn't we do this? If there was one player in the draft I woudl trade Deuce to get, it would be Brown. 230 lbs with a 4.40 40 time, built like a truck with great hands. Thoughts?

03-04-2005, 05:11 PM	#2
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Since the FO is not looking at defense anyway, Thoughts? Post another \"I\'m pissed off\" thread \'cause it ain\'t gonna happen. I\'m just kiddin\' w/ya whodi... In all seriousness, though ... at some point, as a Saints\' fan, you\'ve got to have some loyalty to some of the players. Otherwise - you\'re just a fan of the Saints\' logo. No matter how many better runningbacks MAY be out there, I will ALWAYS want Deuce to be our guy. That is, as long as he\'s still producing. And that\'s the way I feel about all the players on the Saints. There are better defensive ends than Charles Grant, but Charles Grant is my guy. I\'ll live with him and I\'ll die with him. So long as they are producing, I\'m with \'em all the way.
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03-04-2005, 05:16 PM	#3
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	Since the FO is not looking at defense anyway, Interesting idea which doesn\'t make bad sense at all... even though I love screaming DeUUUUCCCEEeeEEEEEEEEEeeeEEEE!!!!! everytime he touches the ball at the games. On the other hand, he is the face of our offense. Actually he\'s the face of our team and yea we do need to show loyalty to him. What would other free agents think if we did trade him away? Also, why would we trade a Probowler away for a rookie? There are lots of pros and cons with this idea, and I wouldn\'t mind having him here for the next 5-6 years. I also wouldn\'t cry about it if he wasn\'t.
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03-04-2005, 05:16 PM	#4
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Since the FO is not looking at defense anyway, I am not oppose to trading deuce. However whats the mess with Benson not paying the money... Tagging Howard isn\'t cheap and when you are something like a millions under the cap how the hell can he pay anymore than what he is.

03-04-2005, 05:17 PM	#5
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03-04-2005, 05:22 PM	#6
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Since the FO is not looking at defense anyway, However whats the mess with Benson not paying the money... Tagging Howard isn\'t cheap and when you are something like a millions under the cap how the hell can he pay anymore than what he is. Tagging Howard costs nothing. It just puts a hold on that amount of cap money. Gives them time to trade him or work out a long term deal for less. Benson does not want to pay that money either. I agree with you guys. I love Deuce, and I am loyal to him. But with decisions like his and Joe\'s contract looming, it is obvious no free agents are gonna get big money here. So we move Deuce\'s contract, it\'s no longer a worry. And we get a stud RB at a lower contract. allows us to devote money to getting better in other areas. I would be very sad to see Deuce go, truly, but if it is the only way for them to feel free to pony up the bucks to get us better on defense, so be it. This franchise doesn\'t know the meaning of the word loyalty anyway. I can name 20 players who should have retired Saints but didn\'t. Don\'t start the loyalty train now.

03-04-2005, 05:39 PM	#7
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Since the FO is not looking at defense anyway, a hold... come on be more imaginitive than that. Duh... you trade Howard you trade the cap hit... if you are stuck with Howard you pay the money a duh... he paid it this past year... are we forget ful Howard was Tagged last year?

03-04-2005, 05:47 PM	#8
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Since the FO is not looking at defense anyway, a hold... come on be more imaginitive than that. Duh... you trade Howard you trade the cap hit... if you are stuck with Howard you pay the money a duh... he paid it this past year... are we forget ful Howard was Tagged last year? Are you serious? Do you know what a hold is or how it works? Let me help you, it temporarily suspends money until the transaction it was presented for goes through. Why would I need more imagination when that is EXACTLY what the tag does? He hasn\'t signed the offer yet, so it is still a hold. He is guaranteed it IF HE SIGNS THE OFFER, not just cause they placed the tag on him. They could take the tag off of him before he signs the offer, he becomes a UFA, and the cap HOLD is gone for that amount.

03-04-2005, 05:55 PM	#9
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Since the FO is not looking at defense anyway, Dude you act like you are the only smart one here I got news for you there are at least 3 of us here... LOL. Not to get off point here but... he was tagged last year as well. gets 120 percent what he got last year. If ya pay him last year what makes you thing Benson isn\'t willing to pay him for tagging him yet again. That is the point I am making. [Edited on 4/3/2005 by Euphoria]

03-04-2005, 05:57 PM	#10
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Since the FO is not looking at defense anyway, Brown is a beast and has never been mentioned with conditioning problems(Danno). :shrug: