Saints tackle Andrus Peat is in shape and playing well at his second training camp

44Champs · 08-03-2016, 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

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I agree with this. It's like we're trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. We're gonna ruin this guy's career.

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Crusader · 08-04-2016, 04:43 AM

Originally Posted by 44Champs

I agree with this. It's like we're trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. We're gonna ruin this guy's career.

Bah! Humbug! And I'll explain why I think that. Playing guard is a lot less demanding from an athletic standpoint, speed, hip flexibility and such isn't nearly as important as for a tackle. Peat however have those skills and they will only benefit him.
The most important thing for any oline player after being big and strong (obviously, duh!) is being able to move in an efficient manner and placing your body in the best position to succeed against the defender. Understanding the concepts of each play, how you take the best angles, to position yourself. That is what he needs to learn, it will not ruin his career in any way but it might take a little while for him to adjust to it.

jeanpierre · 08-04-2016, 06:24 AM

Originally Posted by Crusader

Bah! Humbug! And I'll explain why I think that. Playing guard is a lot less demanding from an athletic standpoint, speed, hip flexibility and such isn't nearly as important as for a tackle. Peat however have those skills and they will only benefit him.
The most important thing for any oline player after being big and strong (obviously, duh!) is being able to move in an efficient manner and placing your body in the best position to succeed against the defender. Understanding the concepts of each play, how you take the best angles, to position yourself. That is what he needs to learn, it will not ruin his career in any way but it might take a little while for him to adjust to it.

Really? So the whole pulling down the line, getting downfield and maintaining run alleys that's not demanding?

Or swinging underneath, or jumping ahead of a defender to trap block a big strong man, without holding him, is not athletically demanding?

Guards, Centers usually engage defenders near post-snap; whereas Tackles often read defenders and move to seal them out of an area - Peat is used to a more read, react style of play rather than pre-snap read and react upon snap...

Believe Peat's length is also giving him problems at guard where he's more naturally suited as a Tackle; so, I'm not surprised he's really impressed more at Left Tackle...

No one wants to say it, but Peat needs to be at Left Tackle if he's to maximize his potential...

Crusader · 08-04-2016, 07:37 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Really? So the whole pulling down the line, getting downfield and maintaining run alleys that's not demanding?

Or swinging underneath, or jumping ahead of a defender to trap block a big strong man, without holding him, is not athletically demanding?

Guards, Centers usually engage defenders near post-snap; whereas Tackles often read defenders and move to seal them out of an area - Peat is used to a more read, react style of play rather than pre-snap read and react upon snap...

Believe Peat's length is also giving him problems at guard where he's more naturally suited as a Tackle; so, I'm not surprised he's really impressed more at Left Tackle...

No one wants to say it, but Peat needs to be at Left Tackle if he's to maximize his potential...

Playing guard is athletically demanding but not as demanding as playing tackle.

There is a reason why less athletic guys play on the interior instead of on the edge. As a tackle you have to protect a whole lot more space than what you do as a guard or center. You go up against guys that are very much faster than most DTs. As a OT you have to move backwards almost as fast as the DEs are moving forward. Its athletically demanding in a whole different way than the interior play that is a lot more about anchoring.

I do however agree with your point about G/C and T engaging the defender in different ways. The interior dictates a lot more than what tackles do, but from personal experience I can say that it has very much to do with how you as a tackle plays the position.

The Dude · 08-04-2016, 01:54 AM

Bout time.

The Dude · 08-04-2016, 01:58 AM

I'm sure they will put him in the best position to help the team. They aren't going to put him anywhere that another player would be better. Coaches know what they are doing. I think they are moving him around so he gets a better picture of the working parts of the oline as a whole.

Crusader · 08-04-2016, 04:43 AM

Ross Tucker wrote a pretty good piece on young o-line players in the NFL that I recommend reading.

What's the problem with NFL OL development? | Sports on Earth

lee909 · 08-04-2016, 06:30 AM

He may well be a better tackle than guard but as it stands is the line stronger with Him at guard and Strief at RT or with Strief dropped snd one of the unproven guards starting. Thats the big question abd still a worry for me. So much of the offense needs a pocket for Brees so the interior needs to be strong

jeanpierre · 08-04-2016, 06:39 AM

Originally Posted by lee909

He may well be a better tackle than guard but as it stands is the line stronger with Him at guard and Strief at RT or with Strief dropped snd one of the unproven guards starting. Thats the big question abd still a worry for me. So much of the offense needs a pocket for Brees so the interior needs to be strong

Well, that's on Payton and Loomis for pi**-poor planning...

Terrific guard was on the market in Clint Boling and we instead signed DB Browner who was left off the Patriot's active roster for their championship run in favor of a UDRFA...

And I get drafting the BPA in the draft, but if we don't have what we need on the roster for interior lineman, we should have signed, drafted a guard rather than try the fitting the provervial square peg into a round hole...

It's obvious Peat is a tackle, he's more natural and plays better at tackle; and if maximizing his talent is at tackle, we should consider or try looking at Strief as a guard, maybe...

Rugby Saint II · 08-04-2016, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Well, that's on Payton and Loomis for pi**-poor planning...

Terrific guard was on the market in Clint Boling and we instead signed DB Browner who was left off the Patriot's active roster for their championship run in favor of a UDRFA...

And I get drafting the BPA in the draft, but if we don't have what we need on the roster for interior lineman, we should have signed, drafted a guard rather than try the fitting the provervial square peg into a round hole...

It's obvious Peat is a tackle, he's more natural and plays better at tackle; and if maximizing his talent is at tackle, we should consider or try looking at Strief as a guard, maybe...

The front office has bungled the offensive line after the first couple of strong drafts with reaches on injured or under performing players. Armstead was a steal in the third though. Peat was the BPA after the DT we wanted went one pick before our selection to the Browns at 12.

It was unfortunate that he came in out of shape after graduating from a college on the quarter system where he got to camp late. He looks really good this year and worthy of a first round pick from what I hear at training camp. He will be a stud on the O-line for years.......hopefully at RT not guard.

He should be playing RT where he was drafted to play. Strief was supposed to groom him last year and prepare him to take over at RT while Strief played swing tackle. Instead Peat played all over the line because we are so thin and limited athletically at guard.

With Armstead at LT.....Unger at Center.....and Peart at RT we have a great center tackle combo. The problem is Payton has gambled on UDFA's to fill the O-line for so long now that the lack of talent is evident at Guard. Lelito put one over on Payton and never developed into the potential Payton saw. Kelemete(Calamity) isn't getting it done either. Both were pulled for sloppy play last year and we still didn't draft or trade for a starting guard or two who could get the job done.

Edit: Strief is not a guard. He is a serviceable tackle. Leave him where he is.

08-03-2016, 10:42 PM	#1
44Champs Site Donor Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,589	Re: Saints tackle Andrus Peat is in shape and playing well at his second training camp Originally Posted by jeanpierre https://twitter.com/skooks/status/760559498679365632 I agree with this. It's like we're trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. We're gonna ruin this guy's career. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk
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08-04-2016, 04:43 AM	#2
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,033	Re: Saints tackle Andrus Peat is in shape and playing well at his second training camp Originally Posted by 44Champs I agree with this. It's like we're trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. We're gonna ruin this guy's career. Bah! Humbug! And I'll explain why I think that. Playing guard is a lot less demanding from an athletic standpoint, speed, hip flexibility and such isn't nearly as important as for a tackle. Peat however have those skills and they will only benefit him. The most important thing for any oline player after being big and strong (obviously, duh!) is being able to move in an efficient manner and placing your body in the best position to succeed against the defender. Understanding the concepts of each play, how you take the best angles, to position yourself. That is what he needs to learn, it will not ruin his career in any way but it might take a little while for him to adjust to it. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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08-04-2016, 06:24 AM	#3
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints tackle Andrus Peat is in shape and playing well at his second training camp Originally Posted by Crusader Bah! Humbug! And I'll explain why I think that. Playing guard is a lot less demanding from an athletic standpoint, speed, hip flexibility and such isn't nearly as important as for a tackle. Peat however have those skills and they will only benefit him. The most important thing for any oline player after being big and strong (obviously, duh!) is being able to move in an efficient manner and placing your body in the best position to succeed against the defender. Understanding the concepts of each play, how you take the best angles, to position yourself. That is what he needs to learn, it will not ruin his career in any way but it might take a little while for him to adjust to it. Really? So the whole pulling down the line, getting downfield and maintaining run alleys that's not demanding? Or swinging underneath, or jumping ahead of a defender to trap block a big strong man, without holding him, is not athletically demanding? Guards, Centers usually engage defenders near post-snap; whereas Tackles often read defenders and move to seal them out of an area - Peat is used to a more read, react style of play rather than pre-snap read and react upon snap... Believe Peat's length is also giving him problems at guard where he's more naturally suited as a Tackle; so, I'm not surprised he's really impressed more at Left Tackle... No one wants to say it, but Peat needs to be at Left Tackle if he's to maximize his potential...
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08-04-2016, 07:37 AM	#4
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,033	Re: Saints tackle Andrus Peat is in shape and playing well at his second training camp Originally Posted by jeanpierre Really? So the whole pulling down the line, getting downfield and maintaining run alleys that's not demanding? Or swinging underneath, or jumping ahead of a defender to trap block a big strong man, without holding him, is not athletically demanding? Guards, Centers usually engage defenders near post-snap; whereas Tackles often read defenders and move to seal them out of an area - Peat is used to a more read, react style of play rather than pre-snap read and react upon snap... Believe Peat's length is also giving him problems at guard where he's more naturally suited as a Tackle; so, I'm not surprised he's really impressed more at Left Tackle... No one wants to say it, but Peat needs to be at Left Tackle if he's to maximize his potential... Playing guard is athletically demanding but not as demanding as playing tackle. There is a reason why less athletic guys play on the interior instead of on the edge. As a tackle you have to protect a whole lot more space than what you do as a guard or center. You go up against guys that are very much faster than most DTs. As a OT you have to move backwards almost as fast as the DEs are moving forward. Its athletically demanding in a whole different way than the interior play that is a lot more about anchoring. I do however agree with your point about G/C and T engaging the defender in different ways. The interior dictates a lot more than what tackles do, but from personal experience I can say that it has very much to do with how you as a tackle plays the position.
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08-04-2016, 01:54 AM	#5
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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: Saints tackle Andrus Peat is in shape and playing well at his second training camp I'm sure they will put him in the best position to help the team. They aren't going to put him anywhere that another player would be better. Coaches know what they are doing. I think they are moving him around so he gets a better picture of the working parts of the oline as a whole.
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lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,860 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints tackle Andrus Peat is in shape and playing well at his second training camp He may well be a better tackle than guard but as it stands is the line stronger with Him at guard and Strief at RT or with Strief dropped snd one of the unproven guards starting. Thats the big question abd still a worry for me. So much of the offense needs a pocket for Brees so the interior needs to be strong Rugby Saint II likes this.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints tackle Andrus Peat is in shape and playing well at his second training camp Originally Posted by lee909 He may well be a better tackle than guard but as it stands is the line stronger with Him at guard and Strief at RT or with Strief dropped snd one of the unproven guards starting. Thats the big question abd still a worry for me. So much of the offense needs a pocket for Brees so the interior needs to be strong Well, that's on Payton and Loomis for pi**-poor planning... Terrific guard was on the market in Clint Boling and we instead signed DB Browner who was left off the Patriot's active roster for their championship run in favor of a UDRFA... And I get drafting the BPA in the draft, but if we don't have what we need on the roster for interior lineman, we should have signed, drafted a guard rather than try the fitting the provervial square peg into a round hole... It's obvious Peat is a tackle, he's more natural and plays better at tackle; and if maximizing his talent is at tackle, we should consider or try looking at Strief as a guard, maybe...
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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,133	Re: Saints tackle Andrus Peat is in shape and playing well at his second training camp Originally Posted by jeanpierre Well, that's on Payton and Loomis for pi**-poor planning... Terrific guard was on the market in Clint Boling and we instead signed DB Browner who was left off the Patriot's active roster for their championship run in favor of a UDRFA... And I get drafting the BPA in the draft, but if we don't have what we need on the roster for interior lineman, we should have signed, drafted a guard rather than try the fitting the provervial square peg into a round hole... It's obvious Peat is a tackle, he's more natural and plays better at tackle; and if maximizing his talent is at tackle, we should consider or try looking at Strief as a guard, maybe... The front office has bungled the offensive line after the first couple of strong drafts with reaches on injured or under performing players. Armstead was a steal in the third though. Peat was the BPA after the DT we wanted went one pick before our selection to the Browns at 12. It was unfortunate that he came in out of shape after graduating from a college on the quarter system where he got to camp late. He looks really good this year and worthy of a first round pick from what I hear at training camp. He will be a stud on the O-line for years.......hopefully at RT not guard. He should be playing RT where he was drafted to play. Strief was supposed to groom him last year and prepare him to take over at RT while Strief played swing tackle. Instead Peat played all over the line because we are so thin and limited athletically at guard. With Armstead at LT.....Unger at Center.....and Peart at RT we have a great center tackle combo. The problem is Payton has gambled on UDFA's to fill the O-line for so long now that the lack of talent is evident at Guard. Lelito put one over on Payton and never developed into the potential Payton saw. Kelemete(Calamity) isn't getting it done either. Both were pulled for sloppy play last year and we still didn't draft or trade for a starting guard or two who could get the job done. Edit: Strief is not a guard. He is a serviceable tackle. Leave him where he is. Crusader likes this.
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