NO SUGAR-COATING IT: Saints O-Line is TERRIBLE

nutria · 08-23-2016, 10:29 PM

No running game is a problem.

No pass protection is a problem.

The Saints coaches probably know this.

Lets hope they have a rabbit up their sleeve.

halloween 65 · 08-23-2016, 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Its encouraging that the improvement is at nearly every position

DE's look better than last year with Edebali, Tull and Gwatchum improving
The DT's look phenomenally better with Fairley, Davison, Rankins and even Jenkins looking solid

The LBs? Wow, we can actually cover now, and we have speed. Whens the last time speed and Saints LB"s were used in the same sentence?

The CB's... may actually be the strength of our Defense. Wow, did I just say that?

The safeties look as strong and deep as anytime I can remember. I think our final cut at safety could probably start on numerous teams.

Disclaimer... YES, WE ALL KNOW ITS ONLY PRE-SEASON so give it a rest already.

Question for you? Is it looking better because our O is sputtering without a good run game making things one dimentional? I didn't think they were a ball of fire in the Texans game and thats with joint practice for a few days, just my opionion.

WhoDatFan26 · 08-23-2016, 11:03 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

So you admit that you don't care what statistics say, but then follow it with faulty statistics.

We were rarely down by more than a score or two so the whole garbage points argument is severely flawed.

How many games were we down 35 points and put up a ton of garbage points? Uhh, none. "Get out of here with that BS!!"

Bring something relevant or STFU. When you're buried in a hole, quit digging.

Danno, from one fan to the next...learn how to humble yourself. Dude, there's a reason why every analyst is saying that our Offensive Line needs to be fixed. There is a reason why The Saints are still being attached to every rumor regarding this Leary guy in Dallas. If Strief is as good as you say, then we wouldn't shade Tight Ends and Backs to his side to chip the defenders before they come at Strief. One more thing, I wont be disrespected but if you feel the need to curse me send me a private message. Then lets see what you have to say.

Danno · 08-24-2016, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by WhoDatFan26

Danno, from one fan to the next...learn how to humble yourself. Dude, there's a reason why every analyst is saying that our Offensive Line needs to be fixed. There is a reason why The Saints are still being attached to every rumor regarding this Leary guy in Dallas. If Strief is as good as you say, then we wouldn't shade Tight Ends and Backs to his side to chip the defenders before they come at Strief. One more thing, I wont be disrespected but if you feel the need to curse me send me a private message. Then lets see what you have to say.

Humble myself? From the guy who said "get over yourself" hmmm ok

Don't change the discussion. Yes our Oline looks bad, but that's not the same as saying strief sucked for the last two years. OG is the main culprit for the line problems. It's why we're trying an OT at LG

44Champs · 08-24-2016, 10:03 AM

I think we all agree that the OLine needs improvement. At this time, only Armstead and Unger are solid. Every other player and position is a question mark. Whether Strief is "done" or not is irrelevant - he may not be the best RT in the league, but he's serviceable and the best one on our team until someone else can beat him out. It was my opinion during FA and the draft that OLine was more of a priority than the skill positions, and now that neglect is showing on the field. I love Can't Guard Mike, and I'm glad we have him, but what good will it do if Drew doesn't have the time to get the ball to him? What good is Lasko if our line can't open running lanes? As much as I hate Dallas, they've done a good job of building a top notch OLine that they make their mediocre skill players look good. Our offensive dominance from 2006 - 2013 was mainly due to our Oline and all of the options it gave Drew to make changes at the LOS if needed. "The game is won in the trenches"

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vpheughan · 08-24-2016, 11:21 AM

Coach Cliche here, "There is no tomorrow" "You can't coach that" "Our backs are against the wall" "Teamwork makes the Dream work" "He's not fast, he's quick" "It is what it is" last but not least "We have to get UN-tracked"

Utah_Saint · 08-24-2016, 11:31 AM

Maybe the Saints should work on luring Aaron Kromer back.

AsylumGuido · 08-24-2016, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

So you admit that you don't care what statistics say, but then follow it with faulty statistics.

We were rarely down by more than a score or two so the whole garbage points argument is severely flawed.

How many games were we down 35 points and put up a ton of garbage points? Uhh, none. "Get out of here with that BS!!"

Bring something relevant or STFU. When you're buried in a hole, quit digging.

Give up, Danno. The guy obviously doesn't let facts stand in the way of a flawed viewpoint.

saintfan · 08-24-2016, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDatFan26

Strief has been done since 2013. I don't care what statistic say. According to Statistics the offense was just as explosive last year as it was in the previous 2 years. Do you believe that also? I can throw for 500 yards after being down 35 and lose by 7, does that make it close? Get out of here with that BS!! Can you honestly say that watching Strief the last 2 years, you feel that he is as good as they statistically say he is? Seriously?!

I think he's over the hill a bit, and I'm leading the 'stats' parade, meaning I agree with you in that stats can be misleading. But I do think you're a bit over the top with your assessment. Strief isn't even the biggest problem on the o-line at this time, so to call him 'done' just doesn't ring true to me.

A.8Manning · 08-24-2016, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by vpheughan

Coach Cliche here, "There is no tomorrow" "You can't coach that" "Our backs are against the wall" "Teamwork makes the Dream work" "He's not fast, he's quick" "It is what it is" last but not least "We have to get UN-tracked"

Teamwork makes the Dream work"

dont ever say that in public,never,ever again..just dont

(where the hell are the editing tools so I can convey i'm not being mean? I dont see anything above for bold,coloring,smileys etc)

08-23-2016, 10:29 PM	#51
nutria Sac-A-Lait Join Date: May 2006 Location: Prairieville, LA Posts: 262	Re: NO SUGAR-COATING IT: Saints O-Line is TERRIBLE No running game is a problem. No pass protection is a problem. The Saints coaches probably know this. Lets hope they have a rabbit up their sleeve.

08-23-2016, 10:48 PM	#52
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: NO SUGAR-COATING IT: Saints O-Line is TERRIBLE Originally Posted by Danno Its encouraging that the improvement is at nearly every position DE's look better than last year with Edebali, Tull and Gwatchum improving The DT's look phenomenally better with Fairley, Davison, Rankins and even Jenkins looking solid The LBs? Wow, we can actually cover now, and we have speed. Whens the last time speed and Saints LB"s were used in the same sentence? The CB's... may actually be the strength of our Defense. Wow, did I just say that? The safeties look as strong and deep as anytime I can remember. I think our final cut at safety could probably start on numerous teams. Disclaimer... YES, WE ALL KNOW ITS ONLY PRE-SEASON so give it a rest already. Question for you? Is it looking better because our O is sputtering without a good run game making things one dimentional? I didn't think they were a ball of fire in the Texans game and thats with joint practice for a few days, just my opionion.

08-23-2016, 11:03 PM	#53
WhoDatFan26 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 365	Re: NO SUGAR-COATING IT: Saints O-Line is TERRIBLE Originally Posted by Danno So you admit that you don't care what statistics say, but then follow it with faulty statistics. We were rarely down by more than a score or two so the whole garbage points argument is severely flawed. How many games were we down 35 points and put up a ton of garbage points? Uhh, none. "Get out of here with that BS!!" Bring something relevant or STFU. When you're buried in a hole, quit digging. Danno, from one fan to the next...learn how to humble yourself. Dude, there's a reason why every analyst is saying that our Offensive Line needs to be fixed. There is a reason why The Saints are still being attached to every rumor regarding this Leary guy in Dallas. If Strief is as good as you say, then we wouldn't shade Tight Ends and Backs to his side to chip the defenders before they come at Strief. One more thing, I wont be disrespected but if you feel the need to curse me send me a private message. Then lets see what you have to say.
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08-24-2016, 08:43 AM	#54
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: NO SUGAR-COATING IT: Saints O-Line is TERRIBLE Originally Posted by WhoDatFan26 Danno, from one fan to the next...learn how to humble yourself. Dude, there's a reason why every analyst is saying that our Offensive Line needs to be fixed. There is a reason why The Saints are still being attached to every rumor regarding this Leary guy in Dallas. If Strief is as good as you say, then we wouldn't shade Tight Ends and Backs to his side to chip the defenders before they come at Strief. One more thing, I wont be disrespected but if you feel the need to curse me send me a private message. Then lets see what you have to say. Humble myself? From the guy who said "get over yourself" hmmm ok Don't change the discussion. Yes our Oline looks bad, but that's not the same as saying strief sucked for the last two years. OG is the main culprit for the line problems. It's why we're trying an OT at LG

08-24-2016, 10:03 AM	#55
44Champs Site Donor Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,589	Re: NO SUGAR-COATING IT: Saints O-Line is TERRIBLE I think we all agree that the OLine needs improvement. At this time, only Armstead and Unger are solid. Every other player and position is a question mark. Whether Strief is "done" or not is irrelevant - he may not be the best RT in the league, but he's serviceable and the best one on our team until someone else can beat him out. It was my opinion during FA and the draft that OLine was more of a priority than the skill positions, and now that neglect is showing on the field. I love Can't Guard Mike, and I'm glad we have him, but what good will it do if Drew doesn't have the time to get the ball to him? What good is Lasko if our line can't open running lanes? As much as I hate Dallas, they've done a good job of building a top notch OLine that they make their mediocre skill players look good. Our offensive dominance from 2006 - 2013 was mainly due to our Oline and all of the options it gave Drew to make changes at the LOS if needed. "The game is won in the trenches" Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk Danno likes this.
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: NO SUGAR-COATING IT: Saints O-Line is TERRIBLE Originally Posted by Danno So you admit that you don't care what statistics say, but then follow it with faulty statistics. We were rarely down by more than a score or two so the whole garbage points argument is severely flawed. How many games were we down 35 points and put up a ton of garbage points? Uhh, none. "Get out of here with that BS!!" Bring something relevant or STFU. When you're buried in a hole, quit digging. Give up, Danno. The guy obviously doesn't let facts stand in the way of a flawed viewpoint.

08-24-2016, 02:56 PM	#59
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: NO SUGAR-COATING IT: Saints O-Line is TERRIBLE Originally Posted by WhoDatFan26 Strief has been done since 2013. I don't care what statistic say. According to Statistics the offense was just as explosive last year as it was in the previous 2 years. Do you believe that also? I can throw for 500 yards after being down 35 and lose by 7, does that make it close? Get out of here with that BS!! Can you honestly say that watching Strief the last 2 years, you feel that he is as good as they statistically say he is? Seriously?! I think he's over the hill a bit, and I'm leading the 'stats' parade, meaning I agree with you in that stats can be misleading. But I do think you're a bit over the top with your assessment. Strief isn't even the biggest problem on the o-line at this time, so to call him 'done' just doesn't ring true to me.

08-24-2016, 05:37 PM	#60
A.8Manning 100th Post Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 120	Re: NO SUGAR-COATING IT: Saints O-Line is TERRIBLE Originally Posted by vpheughan Coach Cliche here, "There is no tomorrow" "You can't coach that" "Our backs are against the wall" "Teamwork makes the Dream work" "He's not fast, he's quick" "It is what it is" last but not least "We have to get UN-tracked" Teamwork makes the Dream work" dont ever say that in public,never,ever again..just dont (where the hell are the editing tools so I can convey i'm not being mean? I dont see anything above for bold,coloring,smileys etc)
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