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The 1990 Buffalo Bills and the 2000 Giant both lost all 4 preseason games and made it to the Super Bowl. They both lost the big game.

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 714550)

PFF stats showed Kelemete had a pretty good game against Pittsburgh, but Lelito was awful again for the 3rd straight game.

I think Lelito may be the primary problem.

And Peat

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Originally Posted by CharityMike (Post 714557)

And Peat

Not sure about that. Peat is a LT who is being shifted around because both of our OG's suck. Is that Peat's fault?

If we had decent OG's Peat would be developed as an OT. Its what his skill set says he is. Ideally he'd learn behind Strief (or Armstead) for a few years then take over. But since our OG's suck and he's got talent he's being thrown into a situation that doesn't play to his strengths.

Peat playing OG isn't the issue. Peat being forced to play OG because our OG's suck is the issue.

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Originally Posted by captainshawn (Post 714556)

The 1990 Buffalo Bills and the 2000 Giant both lost all 4 preseason games and made it to the Super Bowl. They both lost the big game.

it's not losing preseason games I think anyone here cares about. At least I don't. It is that our team looks sloppy and unprepared, that is an issue

Definitely not 'the losing'. I have accepted the bar I set was too high. I am calmer now. Look no LT, Peat learning on the job, young DBs, and big ben owned them. We get no credit for pressure either but jeesh ben was cat quick and impressive.

We're going to suck some, and then we get to see if the talent we all (most) think we have is truly there.

In our case 8-8 might just be the win.

I can see another 7-9 to 9-7. The problem with that is yet another draft when you miss the players that can change the team while still missing the playoffs. We have missed out on some very good players the past few years by one or two wins

2013
Chance Warmack
D. J. Fluker
D. J. Hayden
Sheldon Richardson
Star Lotulelei

2015
Danny Shelton
Todd Gurley
Vic Beasley
could have moved up for Leonard Williams

Its not about wins and losses in pre-season. We are getting our asses handed to us in match up situations. Whether it be the opponent D-Line vs our O-line, their DB's vs our Wr's or their Wr's vs our DB's. I'm strictly looking at match ups here.

When our 1st team offense was in there it was pretty awful. I'm not throwing in the towel or jumping ship. We all can see an obvious problem here. I have not seen a whole lot of improvement collectively on this team. I truly hope I eat the hell out of crow this season.

I think like all of you, I just want to see improvement.

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 714560)

Once again, Peat has been terrible everywhere. Enough excuses.

Let me give two good examples right here with our beloved Saints. Jahri Evans was a left tackle from a small school, no less. He comes to the Saints and is immediately one of the best guards in the league as a rookie.

Carl Nicks: Left tackle in college. Comes here, becomes one of the best guards in the league as a rookie.

Peat was a FIRST ROUND pick. If he is worth his salt, he should be showing some type of improvement by now, and moving around shouldn't be a problem. I've said over and over that he's a bad fit for the interior. But he hasn't shown that he can handle anything else.

Now look, Jon Stinchcomb looked like a bust for years before he finally became decent. Not great, but decent. He was a second rounder. Maybe Peat becomes decent 2 or 3 years from now. But who the heck wants to wait that long on a guy you drafted in the top 15? He's struggling, and it's a disappointment. Period.

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 714697)

Once again, Peat has been terrible everywhere. Enough excuses.

Let me give two good examples right here with our beloved Saints. Jahri Evans was a left tackle from a small school, no less. He comes to the Saints and is immediately one of the best guards in the league as a rookie.

Carl Nicks: Left tackle in college. Comes here, becomes one of the best guards in the league as a rookie.

Peat was a FIRST ROUND pick. If he is worth his salt, he should be showing some type of improvement by now, and moving around shouldn't be a problem. I've said over and over that he's a bad fit for the interior. But he hasn't shown that he can handle anything else.

Now look, Jon Stinchcomb looked like a bust for years before he finally became decent. Not great, but decent. He was a second rounder. Maybe Peat becomes decent 2 or three years from now. But who the heck wants to wait that long on a guy you drafted in the top 15? He's struggling, and it's a disappointment. Period.

Well said!!Thats the problem I have with Vaccarro, he has regressed instead of getting better.

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 714697)

Maybe Peat becomes decent 2 or 3 years from now. But who the heck wants to wait that long on a guy you drafted in the top 15? He's struggling, and it's a disappointment. Period.

Damn 2 or 3 years & all we get is decent? If this turns out to be true, boy what a bad first round selection we've made.