We don't even know it's that bad.

halloween 65 · 08-28-2016, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

I seriously think there are players that or worth every dime they make. However that hurts teams.

A team has to decided ok we need to trade so and so because we can't afford him lets find someone serviceable to fill his shows. Why having a great QB is a great thing... when you don't have a line to protect him or a running game to help him... yikes. that 20 million you put in your QB's pocket is going to waste.

I think we could be just as we have been if not better off trading Bree's and building the lines... YEAH I SAID IT. He isn't getting younger and we haven't put a team around him to win NOW. Which is what he needs.

Going to be curious how Bree's ends his career.

I don't see us resigning him.

AsylumGuido · 08-28-2016, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

I don't see us resigning him.

And replacing him with what?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

halloween 65 · 08-28-2016, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

And replacing him with what?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Honestly, not sure but if we actually build a stout D and get a strong O-line with a good run game things could work out pretty well. Brees isn't going to play at a high level forever and sooner than later he will leave and so will his era. I'm not expecting a new qb to put up # like Brees but there have been alot of contenders and SB championship teams with lesser qb over the years. I just don't see us resigning him at top qb scale and stay in the hunt.

AsylumGuido · 08-28-2016, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Honestly, not sure but if we actually build a stout D and get a strong O-line with a good run game things could work out pretty well. Brees isn't going to play at a high level forever and sooner than later he will leave and so will his era. I'm not expecting a new qb to put up # like Brees but there have been alot of contenders and SB championship teams with lesser qb over the years. I just don't see us resigning him at top qb scale and stay in the hunt.

The ONLY way we can stay in the hunt is to re-sign him.

lee909 · 08-28-2016, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

The ONLY way we can stay in the hunt is to re-sign him.

Im sure the Colts said the same. Im sure most 49ers thought the world ended after Montana. The Pats were up a creak when Bledsoe went down. Succesful team long term move on a year too early thsn s year too late

AsylumGuido · 08-28-2016, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

Im sure the Colts said the same. Im sure most 49ers thought the world ended after Montana. The Pats were up a creak when Bledsoe went down. Succesful team long term move on a year too early thsn s year too late

The 49er's already had what they knew was something special in reserve on the roster. The Colts knew they had what was widely accepted as the most sure fire QB in decades as the first pick. The Pats example is not even relevant because Bledsoe couldn't hold Brees' jockstrap and they already had Brady on the roster. Getting rid of Brees might not be one year early and may end up being ten years too early. Hell, we may never luck up upon another QB as good as Brees will most likely still be three years from now for twenty years.

Your examples suck.

burningmetal · 08-28-2016, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

The ONLY way we can stay in the hunt is to re-sign him.

What are you going to do with yourself when he retires? You poo poo the idea of him leaving all the time. I'm not saying he's leaving after this year... But some day he is. If we're at the point that there is NO chance without Brees, then that should tell you something about this organization. You don't know what's going to happen, nothing you have said about the negotiations has come to pass. But I guess whatever happens, and when that happens, you will tell everyone you knew it.

There is going to be a replacement for Drew WHENEVER he leaves or retires. You know how I know that? Because there is no other choice. I get tired of reading the pompous "who are we gonna replace him with, hahahaha". The answer is whoever it takes.

AsylumGuido · 08-28-2016, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

What are you going to do with yourself when he retires? You poo poo the idea of him leaving all the time. I'm not saying he's leaving after this year... But some day he is. If we're at the point that there is NO chance without Brees, then that should tell you something about this organization. You don't know what's going to happen, nothing you have said about the negotiations has come to pass. But I guess whatever happens, and when that happens, you will tell everyone you knew it.

There is going to be a replacement for Drew WHENEVER he leaves or retires. You know how I know that? Because there is no other choice. I get tired of reading the pompous "who are we gonna replace him with, hahahaha". The answer is whoever it takes.

No kidding. Now just isn't the time, as you said yourself. I have no doubt there will be someone there to take over when Brees does retire. I fully expect the Saints to either draft a QB every year, or pick up UDFA QB's, or both. Hopefully one of those will not be too much of a downgrade.

My response to which you referred was talking about this coming off-season. That is laughable thinking Brees could be replaced with what is going to be available.

burningmetal · 08-28-2016, 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

No kidding. Now just isn't the time, as you said yourself. I have no doubt there will be someone there to take over when Brees does retire. I fully expect the Saints to either draft a QB every year, or pick up UDFA QB's, or both. Hopefully one of those will not be too much of a downgrade.

My response to which you referred was talking about this coming off-season. That is laughable thinking Brees could be replaced with what is going to be available.

Suppose they draft a QB in the first round next year? You never know what you're going to get with draft picks. So it's not like you can wait until there is a guaranteed replacement. Because guarantees don't exist.

Ideally, Brees stays healthy and productive. But it's difficult to project how many years a QB has left once they get into their late 30's. I've made that point before. Peyton was 37 and breaking records a couple years ago, and it seemed like his career would never end. But he went downhill fast. Now, I'm not suggesting that we should assume that Brees will have that drastic of a drop, and that the Saints will, or should, just send him packing. But that's something that you know they have to think about. That's how you avoid going into years of disaster.

When the Packers drafted Rodgers, it's not like they were picking in the top 5. They drafted him in the mid 20's, and Favre was coming off another very strong season. They didn't HAVE to draft a QB, but they did, and it worked out. So when you ask who will they replace him with this coming off season, no one can say for sure who that will be, but there will be some options if they choose to go that way, which I don't expect.

One advantage we wouldn't have is having the QB sit and learn for a year. But that's what happens when you wait too long. At some point you have to plan for the future. Saying that we might not have another player of Brees' caliber is irrelevant. Because Drew isn't going to play for another 20 years. Nor will he play 10 years, regardless of what he says. So you still have to prepare.

08-28-2016, 07:36 PM	#1
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: We don't even know it's that bad. Originally Posted by Euphoria I seriously think there are players that or worth every dime they make. However that hurts teams. A team has to decided ok we need to trade so and so because we can't afford him lets find someone serviceable to fill his shows. Why having a great QB is a great thing... when you don't have a line to protect him or a running game to help him... yikes. that 20 million you put in your QB's pocket is going to waste. I think we could be just as we have been if not better off trading Bree's and building the lines... YEAH I SAID IT. He isn't getting younger and we haven't put a team around him to win NOW. Which is what he needs. Going to be curious how Bree's ends his career. I don't see us resigning him.

08-28-2016, 07:37 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,709	Re: We don't even know it's that bad. Originally Posted by halloween 65 I don't see us resigning him. And replacing him with what? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

08-28-2016, 07:47 PM	#3
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: We don't even know it's that bad. Originally Posted by AsylumGuido And replacing him with what? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Honestly, not sure but if we actually build a stout D and get a strong O-line with a good run game things could work out pretty well. Brees isn't going to play at a high level forever and sooner than later he will leave and so will his era. I'm not expecting a new qb to put up # like Brees but there have been alot of contenders and SB championship teams with lesser qb over the years. I just don't see us resigning him at top qb scale and stay in the hunt.

08-28-2016, 08:14 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,709	Re: We don't even know it's that bad. Originally Posted by halloween 65 Honestly, not sure but if we actually build a stout D and get a strong O-line with a good run game things could work out pretty well. Brees isn't going to play at a high level forever and sooner than later he will leave and so will his era. I'm not expecting a new qb to put up # like Brees but there have been alot of contenders and SB championship teams with lesser qb over the years. I just don't see us resigning him at top qb scale and stay in the hunt. The ONLY way we can stay in the hunt is to re-sign him. Rugby Saint II likes this.

08-28-2016, 08:15 PM	#5
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	Re: We don't even know it's that bad. Originally Posted by AsylumGuido The ONLY way we can stay in the hunt is to re-sign him. Im sure the Colts said the same. Im sure most 49ers thought the world ended after Montana. The Pats were up a creak when Bledsoe went down. Succesful team long term move on a year too early thsn s year too late

08-28-2016, 08:24 PM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,709	Re: We don't even know it's that bad. Originally Posted by lee909 Im sure the Colts said the same. Im sure most 49ers thought the world ended after Montana. The Pats were up a creak when Bledsoe went down. Succesful team long term move on a year too early thsn s year too late The 49er's already had what they knew was something special in reserve on the roster. The Colts knew they had what was widely accepted as the most sure fire QB in decades as the first pick. The Pats example is not even relevant because Bledsoe couldn't hold Brees' jockstrap and they already had Brady on the roster. Getting rid of Brees might not be one year early and may end up being ten years too early. Hell, we may never luck up upon another QB as good as Brees will most likely still be three years from now for twenty years. Your examples suck.
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08-28-2016, 10:57 PM	#7
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: We don't even know it's that bad. Originally Posted by AsylumGuido The ONLY way we can stay in the hunt is to re-sign him. What are you going to do with yourself when he retires? You poo poo the idea of him leaving all the time. I'm not saying he's leaving after this year... But some day he is. If we're at the point that there is NO chance without Brees, then that should tell you something about this organization. You don't know what's going to happen, nothing you have said about the negotiations has come to pass. But I guess whatever happens, and when that happens, you will tell everyone you knew it. There is going to be a replacement for Drew WHENEVER he leaves or retires. You know how I know that? Because there is no other choice. I get tired of reading the pompous "who are we gonna replace him with, hahahaha". The answer is whoever it takes.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

08-28-2016, 11:06 PM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,709	Re: We don't even know it's that bad. Originally Posted by burningmetal What are you going to do with yourself when he retires? You poo poo the idea of him leaving all the time. I'm not saying he's leaving after this year... But some day he is. If we're at the point that there is NO chance without Brees, then that should tell you something about this organization. You don't know what's going to happen, nothing you have said about the negotiations has come to pass. But I guess whatever happens, and when that happens, you will tell everyone you knew it. There is going to be a replacement for Drew WHENEVER he leaves or retires. You know how I know that? Because there is no other choice. I get tired of reading the pompous "who are we gonna replace him with, hahahaha". The answer is whoever it takes. No kidding. Now just isn't the time, as you said yourself. I have no doubt there will be someone there to take over when Brees does retire. I fully expect the Saints to either draft a QB every year, or pick up UDFA QB's, or both. Hopefully one of those will not be too much of a downgrade. My response to which you referred was talking about this coming off-season. That is laughable thinking Brees could be replaced with what is going to be available.

08-28-2016, 11:35 PM	#9
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: We don't even know it's that bad. Originally Posted by AsylumGuido No kidding. Now just isn't the time, as you said yourself. I have no doubt there will be someone there to take over when Brees does retire. I fully expect the Saints to either draft a QB every year, or pick up UDFA QB's, or both. Hopefully one of those will not be too much of a downgrade. My response to which you referred was talking about this coming off-season. That is laughable thinking Brees could be replaced with what is going to be available. Suppose they draft a QB in the first round next year? You never know what you're going to get with draft picks. So it's not like you can wait until there is a guaranteed replacement. Because guarantees don't exist. Ideally, Brees stays healthy and productive. But it's difficult to project how many years a QB has left once they get into their late 30's. I've made that point before. Peyton was 37 and breaking records a couple years ago, and it seemed like his career would never end. But he went downhill fast. Now, I'm not suggesting that we should assume that Brees will have that drastic of a drop, and that the Saints will, or should, just send him packing. But that's something that you know they have to think about. That's how you avoid going into years of disaster. When the Packers drafted Rodgers, it's not like they were picking in the top 5. They drafted him in the mid 20's, and Favre was coming off another very strong season. They didn't HAVE to draft a QB, but they did, and it worked out. So when you ask who will they replace him with this coming off season, no one can say for sure who that will be, but there will be some options if they choose to go that way, which I don't expect. One advantage we wouldn't have is having the QB sit and learn for a year. But that's what happens when you wait too long. At some point you have to plan for the future. Saying that we might not have another player of Brees' caliber is irrelevant. Because Drew isn't going to play for another 20 years. Nor will he play 10 years, regardless of what he says. So you still have to prepare.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

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