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My my how a week or two changes minds around here.couple weeks ago when I said it I was a idiot. imho the whole house needs to go not just Sean . Everyone I don't wanna see Sean fired and Dennis Allen promoted everyone needs to go

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theyll be in the positive this year. His job is fine.
he isnt Jeff Fisher

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Do what you always done. Get what you always got. I love Sean and hope he stays. It's a cultural change that's needed We need a spark plug / fire cracker type personality of influence. Whether it be a player or a coach.

Re: Is Sean Paytons Job safe if we miss the playoffs?
 

You guys know the season hasn't started yet right?

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If we miss the playoffs at 10-6, yes his job is safe.

If we finish 6-10, he's a goner and should be as well as Loomis.

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Season's over. I was surprised too but I read it here a few times so it must be true.

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You aren't paying attention. Despite all the upgrades we made at nearly every position, and finishing 7-9 last year, we're obviously gonna finish with less than 5 wins. /sarcasm

We have way too many fan-pussies on this site.

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I was in favor of keeping Sean at the end of last season. When he said he felt reinvigorated I felt we would be on the right track this season. However the preseason has been shockingly bad. I'm surprised by Drew's in completion stats and am seriously concerned about what their performance will be for the season. Should we loose the first regular season game at home we would have reason to think we will perform at the same level we have for the last 2 seasons.
I don't want to see Sean go and the verdict is still pending.

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SP is too serious now and it's just not the same. He's no longer the kind of character coach he used to be. The one that would joke with the sportscasters on draft day, make jokes in press conferences. That Payton is gone.

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Payton's job isn't safe if the ownership feels his job isn't safe.

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To say who is out there to get is a dumb as thing to say there is always somebody out there. Just a few off the top of the head . Josh McDaniel's, Sean mcdermott, Nick Sabah,Bob Stoops,Urban Meyer,Tom Coughlin, wade Phillips, etc there is guys out there that would be lining up to take the job so to say who is out there is just Dumb cause if they wanna make a change they will have a guy to do it. The NFL is a what have you done for me lately thing and Sean hasn't done alot lately so it could happen. I feel it's time but until Tom Benson feels it's time. Sean will be here as much as we may suck that decision is Tom Benson's and his people.
Coaches have been fired for a lot less hell Marty Schotenhiemer was fired after a 14-2 year let's be serious.Tom Coughlin fired after he won two Superbowl. The great Chuck knoll fired as well bottom line if you don't win youll be unemployed sooner or later just a matter of time


I see them staring the season 3-6 finishing around 5-11 so yeah it may be time

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Bum made the playoffs 3 years in a row, and still got fired.

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That's because Bud Adams was a *** **** idiot

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You know that it's just a question the OP has posed, right? You don't ask this kind of question AFTER the season. That's not how predictions work, and I assume you know that.

For someone who used to have catastrophe syndrome around the clock in this site, you sure like to complain about others. It's great to be positive, but for crap sake... Relax. It's just a preseason thread.

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We might be 12-4 and we might by 6-10... Who knows? This isn't the first offseason that this team brought in a bunch of new players. The last time didn't work so well. You have no idea how these guys will play together until we see it in a real game. We don't have much to go on in pre-season, but the little we get to see hasn't indicated much on the positive side, other than the defense looking generally improved.

It amazes me how many people play the moral high ground card just before the season starts, and a few games into the season, if it isn't going well, THEN it's cool to say as many negative things as you feel like. Provided it aligns with your own negative feelings. If it's a different negative feeling, then the other guy is just a wuss.

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Marty Shoenheimer

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John Gruden, my sons little league coach, the guy working the counter at the last Blockbuster and this roast beef sandwhich im eating.

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very good post. absolutely true. No one knows how the season will go, no one is saying throw in the towel, and we all hope we pull it together, but from what we have seen in the preseason it look as bad as the start of the last two seasons.

If you asked me right now how I feel about this team I would say I think this may be the worst team we have fielded under SP. I Keep praying Barnes comes in and makes the oline good enough. That would fix a lot right there. So it is possible that if the oline is serviceable we could salvage a 10-6 season with playoff run , but from preseason it looks terrible, really terrible.

There is not one person on this board that should feel bad about their outlook on the team right now or expressing it, and if you don't believe me look at the bags under SP's eyes, we are not alone

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This thread will be fun to refer back to and maybe keep alive throughout the season.

:popcorn:

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Certainly. The idea that anyone on this board is giving an honest assessment of what they have seen of the team is somehow negative just to be negative is absurd. We all hope for the best because we are all Saints fans, but you can't look at how we dominated the 2009 Preseason and then look at how absolutely horrid we have been this preseason and pretend that neither matter. Preseason by no way dictates the season, I agree, but the sloppy play and the oline looking like an open gate does not instill confidence. Plus, this is a team that has had back to back 7-9 seasons, and looked exactly how we look in preseason to start the last two years. It is becoming trend. Can we have a winning season, of course. Can we do that if the play of the oline remains the same, absolutely not. There are real concerns with this team, real concerns, and none of them are more worrisome then what we have seen from the oline. Better hope Barnes starts at guard and helps it because right now we look like shat, absolute shat.

For the record there are people running around on here somehow pretending this is the 09-11 team, and have some false sense of bravado. None better than the reply to a post about how you could recognize this team was not ready for the season because SP had the starters playing the first quarter of the 4rth preseason game- "Eh payton just wants to show we still got it". delusional.

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Step aside rookies!!! Here's how you do it!

The Saints will win between 0 - 16 regular seasons games and the front office and coaching staff may or may not be here!

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Super Dome is still sold out, Payton hasn't done anything overly embarrassing, won a Super Bowl, Benson still making a ton of money, that pretty much gives Payton a life time contract. Now that can change if say only 50k people show up for Saints home games, Payton starts acting like Ditka did, and perhaps Benson would run him at that point.

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LMAO

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You almost need to demote him down to OC only.

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I like Joe Vitt. The Joe Vitt and Pete Carmichael combo did a pretty good job in Payton absence. So we don't necessarily need to pick up an unemployed coach.

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I dont like Vitt as a coach at all.
How many LB under him have improved?

All i have seen are his players not wrap up in tackles and constantly get ran over.

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Payton's job is safe..........Loomis could be on the hot seat though.

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Wow!!

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That is the only thing he is good for. And maybe his FO decision making. If Payton does not regain his old form, then we won't win a sb. Unless, Brees or someone fills that void of his that's been left behind.

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If he gets a guard or two that can actually frigan play he will look like a genius again...absent that we're likely in holy trouble

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So, an 0-3 start

Two back to back 7-9 seasons, defense is worse than last year in terms of points allowed and Brees is once again having to try to score every possession.

Payton not getting the team prepared, bad drafts and a failure to stick to schemes (drafting 3-4 players and then switching to a 4-3) has finally caught up with us.

Injuries have played a part but cannot be blamed alone, this team is 4-11 in the last 15 home games!!

Payton has kept Darymple (strength and conditioning coach), Vitt, McMahon, Dennis Allen and Bill Johnson all in a job when it's obvious that they all suck!!

Nothing would make me happier than for Payton to be handed his leaving papers, has anyone changed their mind from when this thread was originally posted by myself?

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I think it's almost certain now that Payton has lost the team. But this organization might not have the guts to push the reset button on Payton and his staff unless we finish in the 0-5 win range. Finish in the 6-8 win range and then it's likely Payton will get a pass because of the injuries.

We are a very bad 0-3 ... Brees is in top form and looking like far and away the most accurate QB in the league the way Marino once did. It is hard to lose with QB play like this, but somehow it is happening.

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Absolutely agree!

If we end up picking top 5 in the draft, I hope Payton and his cronies are gone by then so they don't screw them up.

I too, don't know if management are brave enough to do the correct thing!

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The defense was looking a lot better before all the injuries. We basically had a high school team out there. I understand everyone being upset but we our defense has had more injuries in the first 3 weeks than most teams have all year.

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Yes his job is safe and it should be.

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This is no way meant to be condescending, but please elaborate as to why his job should be safe?

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Because he's not playing with anywhere near the team he thought he'd be playing with.

You don't 'coach up' a guy who's been in the league 4 or 5 years and was on the street until you called because you have nowhere else to turn.

You don't throw an undrafted rookie free agent up against two of the best wide receivers in the league, in back-to-back weeks, because you want to.

You honor what's left on his contract and you give the man an opportunity to correct the problems, hopefully with relatively healthy players, a luxury he has not had lately.

That's my .02

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I don't see us beating anyone at this point. Payton will stay no matter what. He did get us a Superbowl win. Something some of us old timers never thought would happen in our life time.

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Injuries Injuries Injuries....If we were 100% healthy no doubt in my mind we are at least 2-2 after the first 4

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Im not sure if its time or not.
I would like to see him being a coach with somebody else doing the personnel work before they replaced him. Wether he would agree is another thing.

Saying its not fair to judge because of injuries is wrong imo. He constructed a roster that is lost because he lost 2 members of the secondary snd one that had no depth on the defensive line.