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I'm really starting to believe you have something wrong with you

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after the preseason he had, yes

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The team spending does have something to do with them. Every penny you spend on tickets,refreshemnts,Merchandise,TV goes to the team. For that money you spend you want results. Now all of us(i assume) will be here wether its spent well or not. But some people like to look at more than what happens on a Sunday,even if they have no input into how the money is spent

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And that by definition is anal, as I pointed out. But, you are wrong on one thing. That money you are spending is not going to the team. It is going to a shared revenue fund that is split between 31 teams. The Dallas Cowboys are the only team not cooperating. Fans from the other 30 teams are pooling their money with yours. So, if the fans of the other 30 teams aren't concerned, why should you be? Shouldn't you be equally worried about how Cleveland is spending their money on crap?

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Another one bites the dust....

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I think you are makingway to much of a thing about his preseason he went
Rushing
8 for 40 5ypc(take out his one big run) and he was going 4ypc 28 on 7

Receiving
7 for 25 3.5ypc(19 of them yards on 2 receptions)

He wasn't good in general terms just better than what he did last year which was nothing. He has done anything since 2013 and even then only got 2 TDs.

He hasnt played 16 games since 2012 and only twice in 6 years played 16 games. He was being payed more than Mathews,Forsett, Woodhead, Jennings,Williams,C.Johnson,Foster and Blount. Id take any of them except Foster over him

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Because my money is still going towards the team.
If you want to be a fan on a Sunday and pay no attention on the draft,money spent that up to you,do what you will but dismissing those who like to look at the other side of the sport is disrespectful to say the least. People being concern should not bother you enough that you feel the constant need to comment about them. At the end of the day the bad spending IS holding the team back so people have a legitimate concerns over money being flushed down the pan

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behind that oline in preseason it might have been phenom, lmao

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As AG pointed out, his preseason wasn't impressive.

Cadet's pre-season was better

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Uhhhhh it has to do with the team and the teams future....

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This is just......wow.

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This make no sense. They didn't sign Cortland, they cut Spiller. I am ASSUMING, I think they were gonna protest. No way will this come out publicly. It just don't make any sense both played admirable during preseason...... Again, I am assuming

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Neither played all that well in preseason. And in the most important game in 2016 so far, Spiller was a healthy scratch.

We needed a roster spot for a CB and Spiller was the most expendable, but I am also assuming as well.

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There's my answer

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I have no doubt if ANY of us were sitting there in that room when they made this decision that we would have done the exact same thing knowing everything about the situation.

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Who else should have been cut instead? Cadet clearly outperformed him and he plays every special teams unit. Lasco and Murphy also, and they're young and talented.

I can't point to one player on our roster who should have been cut instead of Spiller.

50 Anthony, Stephone LB 6-3 245 24 2 Clemson
72 Armstead, Terron T 6-5 304 25 4 Arkansas-Pine Bluff
48 Bell, Vonn S 5-11 205 21 R Ohio State
40 Breaux, Delvin CB 6-1 196 26 2 None
9 Brees, Drew QB 6-0 209 37 16 Purdue
31 Byrd, Jairus S 5-10 203 29 8 Oregon
38 Cadet, Travaris RB 6-1 210 27 5 Appalachian State
16 Coleman, Brandon WR 6-6 225 24 2 Rutgers
10 Cooks, Brandin WR 5-10 189 22 3 Oregon State
46 Crawley, Ken DB 6-1 180 23 R Colorado
95 Davison, Tyeler DT 6-2 309 23 2 Fresno State
47 Drescher, Justin LS 6-1 235 28 7 Colorado
91 Edebali, Kasim DE 6-2 253 27 3 Boston College
59 Ellerbe, Dannell LB 6-1 245 30 8 Georgia
73 Evans, Jahri G 6-4 318 33 10 Bloomsburg
90 Fairley, Nick DT 6-4 308 28 6 Auburn
82 Fleener, Coby TE 6-6 251 27 5 Stanford
58 Gwacham, Obum DE 6-5 246 25 2 Oregon State
41 Harper, Roman S 6-1 205 33 11 Alabama
21 Harris, De'Vante DB 5-11 190 23 R Texas A&M
30 Harris, Erik DB 6-3 225 26 1 California (Pa.)
34 Hightower, Tim RB 6-0 220 30 6 Richmond
89 Hill, Josh TE 6-5 250 26 4 Idaho State
22 Ingram, Mark RB 5-9 215 26 6 Alabama
92 Jenkins, John DT 6-3 359 27 4 Georgia
94 Jordan, Cameron DE 6-4 287 27 6 California
65 Kelemete, Senio C/G 6-3 300 26 4 Washington
99 Kruger, Paul DE 6-4 270 30 8 Utah
29 Kuhn, John FB 6-0 250 34 10 Shippensburg
36 Lasco, Daniel RB 6-1 205 23 R California
53 Laurinaitis, James LB 6-2 248 29 8 Ohio State
68 Lelito, Tim G 6-4 315 27 4 Grand Valley State
87 Lewis, Tommylee WR 5-7 168 23 R Northern Illinois
3 Lutz, Wil K 5-11 184 22 R Georgia State
86 Manhertz, Chris TE 6-6 255 24 1 Canisius College
56 Mauti, Michael LB 6-2 243 26 4 Penn State
7 McCown, Luke QB 6-4 217 35 13 Louisiana Tech
37 Moore, Sterling CB 5-10 202 26 6 Southern Methodist
6 Morstead, Thomas P 6-4 235 30 8 Southern Methodist
23 Murphy, Marcus RB/RS 5-9 195 24 2 Missouri
93 Onyemata, David DL 6-4 300 23 R Manitoba (Canada)
75 Peat, Andrus T 6-7 316 22 2 Stanford
52 Robertson, Craig LB 6-1 234 28 5 North Texas
83 Snead IV, Willie WR 5-11 195 23 2 Ball State
28 Spiller, C.J. RB 5-11 200 29 7 Clemson
64 Strief, Zach T 6-7 320 32 11 Northwestern
54 Stupar, Nathan LB 6-2 240 28 4 Penn State
55 Tapp, Darryl DE 6-1 270 32 11 Virginia Tech
13 Thomas, Michael WR 6-3 212 23 R Ohio St.
78 Turner, Landon OL 6-4 325 23 R North Carolina
60 Unger, Max C 6-5 305 30 8 Oregon
32 Vaccaro, Kenny S 6-0 214 25 4 Texas
25 Williams, P.J. CB 6-0 196 23 2 Florida State

Re: Saints Cut C.J. Spiller
 

You could almost make a case for Brandon Coleman, but with 6 RBs on the roster; Spiller was expendable...

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Logic. Amazing when one actually uses it.

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And maybe Kuhn, but Coleman and Manhertz were likely in their cross-hairs as well as Spiller.

But as you said, the most expendable position was RB, and Spiller was the weak link.

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yeah but he is better than lasco and murphy

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Fleener will be cut next year.

Got to keep the piss poor signings going...
If I were Benson I'd be pissed.

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Not sure about that. Lasco is a promising rookie who is a fantastic speacial teams player and Murphy has flashed way more than Spiller has the last 2 years.

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okay well I was just saying what you said on here:

http://blackandgold.com/saints/79507...-murphy-3.html

I do realize those 5 days must have changed everything about how you felt.

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No way, Kuhn. When he is in he is like an extra offensive lineman. And he is a weapon, too.

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Are we trying to field a winning football team or is this the NFL re-enactment of Brewster's Millions???

#@!$#@ this organization looks like a bunch of drunks falling all over each other...

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Look in the mirror. I'll bet you don't look anything like him.

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Whatever ... :rolleyes:

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i think fleener will actually start producing.. at least I hope so. we cant afford anymore of these mistakes

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I hope so
We need that big bodied receiver in the red zone. He has everything you want in a TE,gets separation,big,string,quick enough but i can only assume its mrntal lapses as he drops passes when completely open.

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I'm not upset about the dead money. I'm just surprised by the move. Payton was singing his praises earlier this year. Idk, maybe he wasn't good for the locker room like Galette.

I'm not concerned about our situation at RB either. Just a weird move. Maybe he was fighting an injury like Lewis. If that's the case and we're getting rid of players who aren't getting on the field, then that's a good thing IMO.

If they're getting rid of oft injured players....a certain LB might be next on the chopping block. His name rhymes with Smellerbee.....

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Oops, thats gonna leave a mark!!!

But, his past says he's better than both, but that was based on what we saw when he was with Buffalo. Its obvious since he was a scratch for week one that something was wrong that we didn't know about.

The Buffalo Spiller is better than Murphy or Lasco as a 3rd down back, no question. And I think thats what we all thought we were finally getting. But something was obviously wrong. Was it attitude, health? My guess is a combination of several things and since Murphy and Lasco excel at special teams, he was the most expendable.

It might still be true that Spiller >>> Murphy and Lasco as a starting RB in 2016, but not so much in overall team value when you throw in future potential and special teams.

So, did I successfully crawfish outta that one???:p

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Swann should be very nervous too

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I am calling into question if Payton and Loomis even know what they are doing anymore.

We are only through week 1, and Spiller already caps a series of mind-boggling decisions. The big decisions they seem okay at - like getting Brees resigned and bringing in Kruger. It's all these small decisions that, honestly, the team seems clueless about.

I'm trying to be subjective and not fall into the hindsight-is-20-20 stuff, but there is too much that already leaves me scratching my head:

Why did we workout Lutz right before the start of regular season rather than bringing in him and/or other young kickers at beginning of camp?

What was the purpose of hanging onto Spiller for one week, rather than cutting him toward end of preseason with our other cuts? We could have kept Finnegan or at least some other cornerback.

I don't even want to get into last season, with the constant refusal to bench/cut Browner despite the fact that he single-handedly cost us at least two games last season. The whole 3-4/4-3/Rob Ryan fiasco last year and Payton's peculiar decisions about himself/Carmichael calling the plays. We just seem to have a lot of chronic unsettlement, if not dysfunction.

I was trying to put these things behind me, but Payton/Loomis keep doing things that make me think I shouldn't being doing that.

Always will be a fan, and I have confidence in Brees and many of the players on this team. I just don't have much confidence in Payton/Loomis because so little seems to make sense sometimes.

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Swann was released wasn't he?

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nope on IR

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Swann is on IR again; a torn muscle and not concussion

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I still have confidence in Payton and Loomis, although Loomis is likely just doing what Payton requests. But I'll admit I'm becoming less and less enamored with both of them.

I thought their upside was the Patriots organization, but I'm not ready to say their downside is the Browns organization yet.

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Shame,could have done with him. I really dont get why you are limited to one player o IR to return. I understand that teams could stash players but just make it that the NFL has to check out the players medical and so long as they are injured(say 4-5 weeks minimum they can go on IR)

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That honor belongs to Brees.