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saintshrimp 09-13-2016 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 719130)
I am a jerk. Who the hell cares. But I am a jerk that gets sick of the same old **** from the same five or six posters here on the board that can't do anything but *****.

Wow dude you need to go talk to someone. You have some issues.we all have opinions on the team that what makes us fans we are allowed to question things and disagree with things it don't make us not fans of the team

The Dude 09-13-2016 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 719117)
Nothing I have seen has this defense at the bottom of the NFL as you claim. I see a defense through one game that lost their best CB to a broken leg. A team that lost their last two top defensive draft choices to injury before the first game. And you put that on the leadership?

:rolleyes:

A defense success should not hinge on just one player getting hurt. We all should have seen it coming since none of the other CBs have ever played in a regular season game. To the teams credit, or not, they did lose several other starters they were counting on and the loss of Greer was the biggest. It seems like they are making these decisions to let players go way to late in the game.
I dont know how much our defense will improve because I have seen no turnovers, (problem 1 last year), no pressure (problem 2 last year), and questions marks among the DBs (problem 3 last year).
Wouldnt surprise me if we only moved up a spot or two from last year.

AS for the drunk comments if you guys dont know its been a problem then you are blind or dilusional. Vicodin scandal, slurring at press confrences, and basically being seen around town trashed on multiple occasions. Too much smoke.

neugey 09-13-2016 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 719120)
I just get sick and tired of this nonstop *****ing and moaning. All this bashing of everything that has to do with the team that is a major part of my life. Give it a rest, damnit. Just give it a damned rest.

Myself I am trying to be as objective as possible and try to see Sean's side of it. You are right in that we can't even begin to know all the info that goes into the decisions being made.

But to me it's more than just the questionable decisions, it's the timing of how things are done.

Even before the Breaux injury, we should have had a contingency plan for Keenan Lewis not being healthy enough. From what I know, Finnegan was available all of free agency. Probably several other serviceable corners were available to bring in too, like Sterling Moore. Yet we refused to make a move for a low-cost veteran corner until well into August, which is self-defeating because it's awful late to bringing them into our defensive system. Why didn't we add someone like Finnegan around the time we added Laurinitis? Depth at cornerback was desired, even if it looked like Keenan and Breaux would be healthy, because we are so inexperienced and young at the position.

We basically gave Spiller a roster bonus just to turn around and cut him. What is worse is that we used up a roster spot that could have been used on someone that could contribute - Finnegan or otherwise.

It just doesn't seem that we have a concrete plan of action with some of our personnel. It seems we lack in contingency plans and just put out fires when they come about. I'm not saying every other organization in the NFL is on top of things, but many seem to be compared to us.

lee909 09-13-2016 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 719137)
The front office is doing the best they can with the ****ty hands we keep getting dealt.

Well they have dealt themselves most of that hand with the roster they constructed.

halloween 65 09-13-2016 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 719137)
There are no players that can help. We have what we have. The front office is doing the best they can with the ****ty hands we keep getting dealt.

I don't get the comment about the front office? They are picking the players.

AsylumGuido 09-13-2016 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 719140)
Myself I am trying to be as objective as possible and try to Sean's side of it. You are right in that we can't even begin to know all the info that goes into the decisions being made.

But to me it's more than just the questionable decisions, it's the timing of how things are done.

Even before the Breaux injury, we should have had a contingency plan for Keenan Lewis not being healthy enough. From what I know, Finnegan was available all of free agency. Probably several other serviceable corners were available to bring in too, like Sterling Moore. Yet we refused to make a move for a low-cost veteran corner until well into August, which is self-defeating because it's awful late to bringing them into our defensive system. Why didn't we add someone like Finnegan around the time we added Laurinitis? Depth at cornerback was desired, even if it looked like Keenan and Breaux would be healthy, because we are so inexperienced and young at the position.

We basically gave Spiller a roster bonus just to turn around and cut him. What is worse is that we used up a roster spot that could have been used on someone that could contribute - Finnegan or otherwise.

It just doesn't seem that we have a concrete plan of action with some of our personnel. It seems we lack in contingency plans and just put out fires when they come about. I'm not saying every other organization in the NFL is on top of things, but many seem to be compared to us.

We had to sign a CB. We couldn't place Breaux on IR. A player HAD to be cut. Spiller for one reason or another was the best option. That's it. And, yes. The NFL is a series of fires. You think we are the only team that goes through this. I read this same crap on every board in the league to a degree, but I am hearing more *****ing here that most others recently from a handful of nonstop *****ers.

halloween 65 09-13-2016 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 719141)
Well they have dealt themselves most of that hand with the roster they constructed.

I was basically typing the same thing and didn't see you post til after I clicked. Sorry.

voodooido 09-13-2016 09:42 PM

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Already making room for fournette! Bold move, I love it!

AsylumGuido 09-13-2016 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 719142)
I don't get the comment about the front office? They are picking the players.

The injuries! You can't do crap about that except for rolling with the punches. Our so called defense would be much better with every player we lost so far this year. Blame that on drunken assed Payton and that dumbass Loomis.

AsylumGuido 09-13-2016 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 719141)
Well they have dealt themselves most of that hand with the roster they constructed.

Same answer for you.

voodooido 09-13-2016 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 719062)
Not sure about that. Lasco is a promising rookie who is a fantastic speacial teams player and Murphy has flashed way more than Spiller has the last 2 years.

I've showed more flash than spiller.

halloween 65 09-13-2016 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 719146)
The injuries! You can't do crap about that except for rolling with the punches. Our so called defense would be much better with every player we lost so far this year. Blame that on drunken assed Payton and that dumbass Loomis.

I got it.

halloween 65 09-13-2016 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 719149)
I've showed more flash than spiller.

Don't get caught flashing.

neugey 09-13-2016 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 719145)
Already making room for fournette! Bold move, I love it!

http://i.imgur.com/VmHnLxj.jpg

voodooido 09-13-2016 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 719130)
I am a jerk. Who the hell cares. But I am a jerk that gets sick of the same old **** from the same five or six posters here on the board that can't do anything but *****.


It's easier these past 3 seasons to ***** than it is to find bright spots. Let's face it, we are all diehard fans and show support differently. Is anyone happy about th past 3 seasons? Do you want people to jump for joy over mediocre play?

AsylumGuido 09-13-2016 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 719153)
It's easier these past 3 seasons to ***** than it is to find bright spots. Let's face it, we are all diehard fans and show support differently. Is anyone happy about th past 3 seasons? Do you want people to jump for joy over mediocre play?

I'm sorry, but I have gone into every weekend for the past fifty years expecting the best for my Saints. That is how I roll. The general feeling of this forum was the same when I joined nine years ago. In the past few years it has changed and it isn't from the old members. I do not anger easily, but I am now ****ing mad. I am ****ing pissed off at the ****ing attitude around here recently. Have ya'll ever stopped to think that your *****ing ruins the whole experience for others?

lee909 09-13-2016 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 719146)
The injuries! You can't do crap about that except for rolling with the punches. Our so called defense would be much better with every player we lost so far this year. Blame that on drunken assed Payton and that dumbass Loomis.

Every team has injuries
You cant be blaming injuries,they happen the thing is having a strong enough roster to cover for it. Not having one CB on the active roster who had started a NFL game with two of them being UDFA(30+) CBs were taken in the draft ahead of these two. Its madness throwing them in the deep end. It was always going to take one injury and the secondary would be abused. Other than that we are missing a DT who had never played a down in the NFL season. Yes he is a first rounder and should be good but plenty have not worked out. Again madness to go into the season as light as they did. Fairley is the only pass rushing DT on the active roster,how is he supposed to do that with so little rotation. John Jenkins is the only back up thats NFL ready and he has pretty much underachieved since he got here.


There is nobody to blame about not having a roster that can survive 2 major injuries but the people that put it together. Had two starting CBs gone down then yes you can understand being short that week and the next while you get somebody in. We lost one CB and didnt have one on the active roster that had started a NFL game

AsylumGuido 09-13-2016 10:02 PM

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I come into this forum because I love the Saints and I want to find out everything I can about the team that I love. But what I log into is a cesspool of negativity. And don't think I am the only one. New members come in every day and they are greeted by the constant *****ing by the same five or six members. Nonstop. Unrelenting.

AsylumGuido 09-13-2016 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 719156)
Every team has injuries
You cant be blaming injuries,they happen the thing is having a strong enough roster to cover for it. Not having one CB on the active roster who had started a NFL game with two of them being UDFA(30+) CBs were taken in the draft ahead of these two. Its madness throwing them in the deep end. It was always going to take one injury and the secondary would be abused. Other than that we are missing a DT who had never played a down in the NFL season. Yes he is a first rounder and should be good but plenty have not worked out. Again madness to go into the season as light as they did. Fairley is the only pass rushing DT on the active roster,how is he supposed to do that with so little rotation. John Jenkins is the only back up thats NFL ready and he has pretty much underachieved since he got here.


There is nobody to blame about not having a roster that can survive 2 major injuries but the people that put it together. Had two starting CBs gone down then yes you can understand being short that week and the next while you get somebody in. We lost one CB and didnt have one on the active roster that had started a NFL game

And neither you nor I was in those meeting rooms when all of this came to be, right? If you were there could you guarantee you would have made any single decision differently? If you were completely honest you would have to say no.

halloween 65 09-13-2016 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 719156)
Every team has injuries
You cant be blaming injuries,they happen the thing is having a strong enough roster to cover for it. Not having one CB on the active roster who had started a NFL game with two of them being UDFA(30+) CBs were taken in the draft ahead of these two. Its madness throwing them in the deep end. It was always going to take one injury and the secondary would be abused. Other than that we are missing a DT who had never played a down in the NFL season. Yes he is a first rounder and should be good but plenty have not worked out. Again madness to go into the season as light as they did. Fairley is the only pass rushing DT on the active roster,how is he supposed to do that with so little rotation. John Jenkins is the only back up thats NFL ready and he has pretty much underachieved since he got here.


There is nobody to blame about not having a roster that can survive 2 major injuries but the people that put it together. Had two starting CBs gone down then yes you can understand being short that week and the next while you get somebody in. We lost one CB and didnt have one on the active roster that had started a NFL game

I got to agree here, we have NEVER had deep depth. It would be nice to see plug and play depth but it truely seems like it's we don't look past our nose. The depth should be solid it doesn't have to be great. I love my blue collar players. I worry about O-line depth now. The D has nothing there at all.

neugey 09-13-2016 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 719154)
I'm sorry, but I have gone into every weekend for the past fifty years expecting the best for my Saints. That is how I roll. The general feeling of this forum was the same when I joined nine years ago. In the past few years it has changed and it isn't from the old members. I do not anger easily, but I am now ****ing mad. I am ****ing pissed off at the ****ing attitude around here recently. Have ya'll ever stopped to think that your *****ing ruins the whole experience for others?

I don't see the criticism as being anything new here. I've been on these boards since the site was blackandgold.net, since the Haslett/Brooks days and since we bungled the Delhomme situation. When we drafted Johnathan Sullivan. When Jason David went toast-mode on us. Bountygate and all the feelings that brought about. Those issues brought about some serious negativity, probably more than we have now.

saintshrimp 09-13-2016 10:05 PM

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Or they come to find someone that puts down and insults everything they post

spkb25 09-13-2016 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 719157)
I come into this forum because I love the Saints and I want to find out everything I can about the team that I love. But what I log into is a cesspool of negativity. And don't think I am the only one. New members come in every day and they are greeted by the constant *****ing by the same five or six members. Nonstop. Unrelenting.

lot more than 5 or 6 posters *****ing right now. Rightfully so, we just lost a game we had absolutely no business losing. I can understand it. Meanwhile the Patriots without their hall of fame QB just beat the Cards...

AsylumGuido 09-13-2016 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 719159)
I got to agree here, we have NEVER had deep depth. It would be nice to see plug and play depth but it truely seems like it's we don't look past our nose. The depth should be solid it doesn't have to be great. I love my blue collar players. I worry about O-line depth now. The D has nothing there at all.

And how would you have built that depth differently? That's the whole point. Just ***** about it. That's the answer right?

AsylumGuido 09-13-2016 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 719162)
lot more than 5 or 6 posters *****ing right now. Rightfully so, we just lost a game we had absolutely no business losing. I can understand it. Meanwhile the Patriots without their hall of fame QB just beat the Cards...

That's not what I mean and you know it. You know who I am talking about. You've been around here longer than me. It is so much different around here now.

WillMacKenzie 09-13-2016 10:09 PM

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All the best to C.J., great guy, hope he stays healthy somewhere.

halloween 65 09-13-2016 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 719164)
And how would you have built that depth differently? That's the whole point. Just ***** about it. That's the answer right?

Man I hope you got those little nitro glisseren pills handy you getting this upset isn't healthy.

AsylumGuido 09-13-2016 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by saintshrimp (Post 719161)
Or they come to find someone that puts down and insults everything they post

When the few won't listen to reason I can make things as unpleasant for them as they have made it for others with their constant *****ing.

AsylumGuido 09-13-2016 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie (Post 719166)
All the best to C.J., great guy, hope he stays healthy somewhere.

Hope so too, but he couldn't stay healthy here and was obviously the odd man out.

AsylumGuido 09-13-2016 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 719167)
Man I hope you got those little nitro glisseren pills handy you getting this upset isn't healthy.

No ****, Sherlock. How about some of these few members around here ease up on their *****ing before they cause something serious?

spkb25 09-13-2016 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 719165)
That's not what I mean and you know it. You know who I am talking about. You've been around here longer than me. It is so much different around here now.

I got you, I don't really think it is any different. I think you came in around 07 and that was right after our first trip to an NFC championship game and right before the super bowl run. Then we '10 and especially '11 were good seasons, at least in terms of wins. Then the bounty gate and '12 season, but '13 we went back to the playoffs and won a game. The reason you think it is different is probably because this could be our 3rd straight losing season under SP and 4rth of last 5, and people feel like there is no direction with this team and we just keep cutting guys. Go back to the Haslett days and there was a hefty amount of *****ing. Know what, most seasons were like what Sean has been feeding us recently.

AsylumGuido 09-13-2016 10:16 PM

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And if y'all think I am the only one that feels this way then y'all a denser than I expected. I just happen to be the one that doesn't give a flying rats ass about how those of you feel about me and am willing to call y'all out on the crap.

voodooido 09-13-2016 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 719154)
I'm sorry, but I have gone into every weekend for the past fifty years expecting the best for my Saints. That is how I roll. The general feeling of this forum was the same when I joined nine years ago. In the past few years it has changed and it isn't from the old members. I do not anger easily, but I am now ****ing mad. I am ****ing pissed off at the ****ing attitude around here recently. Have ya'll ever stopped to think that your *****ing ruins the whole experience for others?


Brother if people posting their thoughts on how piss poor the saints are playing then you have more problems than the saints losing. It's amazing how people agree with the freedom of speech until it's something they disagree with. You have your thoughts and others has theirs. It would be a boring world if the good Lord made us think and act the same right? It's not about "faith" in the saints, it's about what we can see. I'm not sure what you see but most see a very bad defensive team. Injuries and bad signings have caused Drew and us diehard saints fans to miss out on multiple super bowls. If I made decisions that cost my job a % of money like this I would of been fired years ago.

saintshrimp 09-13-2016 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 719168)
When the few won't listen to reason I can make things as unpleasant for them as they have made it for others with their constant *****ing.

Hows that working out for you? You seem to be fueling the fire. Your anger is misplaced you shoukd be mad at the dead money , the piss poor free agents they sign, the sign to big deals then cut/trade, the piss poor drafting ability, the failure to develop talent ,the inability to field a average defense not at your fellow members that are sick of seeing bad football being played on the feild

halloween 65 09-13-2016 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 719170)
No ****, Sherlock. How about some of these few members around here ease up on their *****ing before they cause something serious?

It want be because of what is said. It would be about how YOU are taking things YOU don't like. Take a deep breath, its not that bad, every poster on here has a different view on thing. I don't agree with everyone but I don't belittle them, I may disagree with them and post my thoughts but I don't take it personal. So far I haven't got cussed out so it can't be all that bad.

lee909 09-13-2016 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 719168)
When the few won't listen to reason I can make things as unpleasant for them as they have made it for others with their constant *****ing.

What reason
You've hardly debated any points just spoke down to people who dont see sparkles on everything.

Im not here to get into arguments with people but ill put my point out whether its positive or negative as i feel it is. Fan boards are there to talk about the team,vent frustrations and celebrate victories together. Three years of pretty much .500 isnt good enough. The fact the team was terrible for a long time and would have been happy with that record means nothing. I dont have links to the city and no more than half a dozen people would know if up and went to another team. It'll never happen though,ill be there even if its 1-52 in the next few years.

But if i feel the need to vent frustrations and seeing the same issues for three years being repeated over and over i will do so.

You might find you win more people over if you debated some of the points brought up than just talked to people like they're stupid. Every person that ppsts here wants the team to do well. They can all see the bright spots but seeing the same **** and throwing games away for three years will bring out peoples frustrations. Had Sundays game come on the back of a 11-5 season people would be more forgiving than they are. Seeing the defense collapse and offense not kill the game and throw away a lead makes people crystals ball start showing the 2014/15 seasons over again.


Now lets just f*** last week off and get ready for next week

ChrisXVI 09-13-2016 10:22 PM

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What the hell happened to my Spiller thread?! LOL

WillMacKenzie 09-13-2016 10:23 PM

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The Juicy Fruit has run dry

K Major 09-13-2016 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 719179)
What the hell happened to my Spiller thread?! LOL

Here's what happened ...

https://media.giphy.com/media/zrUeMAdvMsYve/giphy.gif

saintshrimp 09-13-2016 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 719179)
What the hell happened to my Spiller thread?! LOL

Lol sorry got side tracked kinda turned into a intervention


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