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jeanpierre 09-18-2016 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 720297)
He is a class act.
As much as i like Cooks i wish OBJ had fallen a few spots and we could have made that move
Eli wasn't gonna let that happen, those Newman boys stick together...

K Major 09-18-2016 09:16 PM
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What's the latest with PJ.? Watching this young kid lie motionless for several minutes was such a scary site.

I'm praying for you sir.

jeanpierre 09-18-2016 09:40 PM
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Better news off the twitter wire...

lee909 09-18-2016 09:49 PM
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Good news

Rell&Gold 09-18-2016 10:40 PM
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OK...Coby Fleener is not athletic and will lose majority of the 50/50 balls DEFINITELY overpaid he doesn't go after the football like Jesse James of the Steelers or other more suitable TE's, but didn't watch the second half. Left to go to a WNBA game(Mystics vs. Whoever the Phoenix team is). Our run game is whats hurting us we are one dimensional not because of play-calling but execution honestly don't see a real need for Cadet. Rather try Murphy I mean you did spend a pick on him the least you can do is give him some reps with Cadet not performing to well don't see how he could be any worse...LB corp they need to put 50 in game idk whats going on behind close doors but there's no reason besides injury why he shouldn't be on the damn field...Secondary hmmmm 32 is our flyer on the field he plays with a certain type of energy our CB's did the best they could 46 Should've had that Pick though our dline would be fine if we gave Edebali & Gwacham some burn other than that they played OK Run defense looked good...I knew once PJ went down that it was going to be a long day for the corners Robertson looked good 95&90,94 really dont see why we signed 99 could be another corner or CJ Spiller which cutting him just didn't make sense to me could've used him today but that bridge is burnt....How bad did Coleman play? because nobody played worse than Fleener....suggestions Von Bell @ FS Byrd @ SS bring 32 down some type of Arizona defense

Rell&Gold 09-18-2016 10:42 PM
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would LOVE to SEE a healthy Saints team...OMG we would be scary

halloween 65 09-18-2016 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 720238)
The game shouldn't have been that close in the first place, we recorded 0 points from 3 takeaways, 1 of them at the Giants 25 yard line.

We made the mistake of letting the Refs dictate the end of the game because we didnt put it away when we had the chance.
This game played out a little different that I thought. I knew the Giants D was good but not that good.If we didn't have those takeaways the Giants O would have put the game away and it wouldn't have been this close. Our O-line isn't cutting it in the run game and I can't see it them opposing their will on the D other than the aeriel attack which needs a TE and another WR with good hands. I'm still saying we're going 5-11. I don't see a playoff team out there at all. Just got motel intenet service in this town I traveled to for work. I got some reading to do.

jeanpierre 09-19-2016 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 720324)
This game played out a little different that I thought. I knew the Giants D was good but not that good.If we didn't have those takeaways the Giants O would have put the game away and it wouldn't have been this close. Our O-line isn't cutting it in the run game and I can't see it them opposing their will on the D other than the aeriel attack which needs a TE and another WR with good hands. I'm still saying we're going 5-11. I don't see a playoff team out there at all. Just got motel intenet service in this town I traveled to for work. I got some reading to do.
I was unimpressed with the G'nats defense as a whole; Jairus Byrd should watch the film of Landon Collins and see how a good safety looks...

Not Crawley, Not Lutz - We beat ourselves with dropped balls on third down period.

pherein 09-19-2016 12:44 AM
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failclowns beat a raiders team by 1 more pt than we did and their D stopped thier offence from making 7 pts more than we did. Either their team is better than we are on both sides of the ball or OAK wasnt that good.
If either is true, well thats sad. OAK defense might even be worse than ours.
Saints D didnt show up last week, but decided to show up this week. Could be 1st game jitters or just inconsistent like its been since 2007.
Still no points with so many turnovers ? Amazingly bad.
Offence could not get started because of dropped passes, penalties, and probably a bad offensive calling. Some of Brees's passes were a little to hard to catch and/or the WR's are not good enouph yet to look for it.
Cadet is a major disappointment, and letting go a pro ball RB spiller who I think would have caught those balls was probably a mistake. Might of had to get rid of him because of CAP, but thats sad mismanagement if we have no one else to cover his skill set, and we dont. Its rumored NE might be looking a spiller. Im betting he would work out there fine or might be going to Vikes, see as AP was hurt.
SP's time management has seemed a problem in both games. Like hes not paying attention.
Another year of 0-2 is showing a pattern.
Special teams have been bad in both games and the FG block cost us the game.
Looks like Brees is breaking in his optimism.
Lost 2 games that could have been won with more discipline, less mistakes, and doing your job.Both very close but the other team wanted to win more than our boys did. Seems to be a losing culture with excuses or lazy culture has somehow formed.
Not sure its true or what to do about it.

dizzle88 09-19-2016 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by pherein (Post 720333)
failclowns beat a raiders team by 1 more pt than we did and their D stopped thier offence from making 7 pts more than we did. Either their team is better than we are on both sides of the ball or OAK wasnt that good.
If either is true, well thats sad. OAK defense might even be worse than ours.
Saints D didnt show up last week, but decided to show up this week. Could be 1st game jitters or just inconsistent like its been since 2007.
Still no points with so many turnovers ? Amazingly bad.
Offence could not get started because of dropped passes, penalties, and probably a bad offensive calling. Some of Brees's passes were a little to hard to catch and/or the WR's are not good enouph yet to look for it.
Cadet is a major disappointment, and letting go a pro ball RB spiller who I think would have caught those balls was probably a mistake. Might of had to get rid of him because of CAP, but thats sad mismanagement if we have no one else to cover his skill set, and we dont. Its rumored NE might be looking a spiller. Im betting he would work out there fine or might be going to Vikes, see as AP was hurt.
SP's time management has seemed a problem in both games. Like hes not paying attention.
Another year of 0-2 is showing a pattern.
Special teams have been bad in both games and the FG block cost us the game.
Looks like Brees is breaking in his optimism.
Lost 2 games that could have been won with more discipline, less mistakes, and doing your job.Both very close but the other team wanted to win more than our boys did. Seems to be a losing culture with excuses or lazy culture has somehow formed.
Not sure its true or what to do about it.
That's the difference between us and the patriots, they are well coached.

They have played 2 games without their HOF QB and possibly the best TE in the league, however they stick to their fundamentals and they find ways to win.

We commit stupid penalties, drop passes and find ways to lose.

Put Brandon Coleman and Fleener on their team, they would either become all pros or be cut before regular season started.

The patriots would not pay 36 million for coby fleener and they wouldn't release CJ spiller two years into a contract.

ChrisXVI 09-19-2016 07:39 AM
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When it comes to Fleener isn't it funny how as fans we always think we know better? That signing was trashed by almost everyone in the media but we thought they were so wrong. Here's just a sample from WalterFootball:

Saints sign TE Coby Fleener (5 years, $36 million): KIELBASA SLIPS THROUGH THE FINGERS MILLEN Grade
I wonder how it feels to be a Colts fan right now. On one hand, they must be very depressed that they still have the incompetent Ryan Grigson running things. On the other hand, they have to be cracking up upon seeing the numbers Coby Fleener received from the Saints.

This signing is horrible. Aside from perhaps Vernon Davis, no tight end drops more passes than Coby Fleener. I'm sure he'll post some great numbers with Drew Brees throwing the ball to him, but he'll absolutely kill his new team with some untimely drops. Then again, maybe he won't be a fantasy monster, given that he couldn't produce with Andrew Luck, even when Dwayne Allen was out of the lineup with his injury issues.

This is an easy Millen. I don't understand what the Saints saw in him to make them believe that he's worth more than $7 million per year. Fleener, an average starter at best, would've been overpaid had he gotten half as much.

dizzle88 09-19-2016 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 720349)
When it comes to Fleener isn't it funny how as fans we always think we know better? That signing was trashed by almost everyone in the media but we thought they were so wrong. Here's just a sample from WalterFootball:

Saints sign TE Coby Fleener (5 years, $36 million): KIELBASA SLIPS THROUGH THE FINGERS MILLEN Grade
I wonder how it feels to be a Colts fan right now. On one hand, they must be very depressed that they still have the incompetent Ryan Grigson running things. On the other hand, they have to be cracking up upon seeing the numbers Coby Fleener received from the Saints.

This signing is horrible. Aside from perhaps Vernon Davis, no tight end drops more passes than Coby Fleener. I'm sure he'll post some great numbers with Drew Brees throwing the ball to him, but he'll absolutely kill his new team with some untimely drops. Then again, maybe he won't be a fantasy monster, given that he couldn't produce with Andrew Luck, even when Dwayne Allen was out of the lineup with his injury issues.

This is an easy Millen. I don't understand what the Saints saw in him to make them believe that he's worth more than $7 million per year. Fleener, an average starter at best, would've been overpaid had he gotten half as much.
This is the one signing that I actually want us to cut his contract earlier, bring spiller back and cut Fleener and Cadet.

lee909 09-19-2016 08:25 AM
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Reports just out
No spine injury to Williams

saintfan 09-19-2016 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 720355)
Reports just out
No spine injury to Williams


That's great news!


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jeanpierre 09-19-2016 11:38 AM
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Something is amiss...

K Major 09-19-2016 11:44 AM
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Fleener looked super confused yesterday.

I remember Moose Johnson calling him out on a route & dropped pass yesterday.
He has serious work to do as does Brandon Coleman.

dizzle88 09-19-2016 11:46 AM
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I like that Vonn Bell got some decent playing time, word on him was he wasn't a great tackler but I saw him come flying down and knock back the ball carrier.

ChrisXVI 09-19-2016 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 720374)
I like that Vonn Bell got some decent playing time, word on him was he wasn't a great tackler but I saw him come flying down and knock back the ball carrier.
Notice how that seemed to light a fire under Byrd's a$$ as well?! That was easily the best I've seen Byrd look since he's been here. If that's what it takes then by God keep the 3 safety looks!

dizzle88 09-19-2016 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 720376)
Notice how that seemed to light a fire under Byrd's a$$ as well?! That was easily the best I've seen Byrd look since he's been here. If that's what it takes then by God keep the 3 safety looks!
Absolutely, Byrd made some very nice tackles and showed decent speed tracking down the ball carrier!

jeanpierre 09-19-2016 12:12 PM
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More on Katzenstein's snap count story here >

Saints snap counts: Dennis Allen alters defensive look again | NOLA.com

Would rather have seen more Michael Thomas and less Fleener and Coleman...

Stephone Anthony is a mystery to me; He'd definitely had made that goal line tackle in the Week 1 game vs the Raiders...

D.A. just doesn't seem to like Anthony as a fit for the 4-3 he's putting in...

dizzle88 09-19-2016 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 720378)
More on Katzenstein's snap count story here >

Saints snap counts: Dennis Allen alters defensive look again | NOLA.com

Would rather have seen more Michael Thomas and less Fleener and Coleman...

Stephone Anthony is a mystery to me; He'd definitely had made that goal line tackle in the Week 1 game vs the Raiders...

D.A. just doesn't seem to like Anthony as a fit for the 4-3 he's putting in...
I just don't understand how SP is letting this happen, Payton must have had a hand in drafting him and now he's letting Allen keep him on the bench.

jeanpierre 09-19-2016 12:28 PM
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Some Good News Regarding P.J. Williams, He's Coming Home Today!

K Major 09-20-2016 11:30 AM
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https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-no-nyg-grades/


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