Monday Night Football: Atlanta Falcons vs New Orleans Saints

09-26-2016, 11:01 PM

For anyone saying that it's only injuries holding us back, check the stat that says we are 4-11 in last 15 home games.

This problem starts with Payton, he has no direction with this team and is just making it up as he goes along.

saintshrimp · 09-26-2016, 11:07 PM

Next game watch Sean on the sidelines and I'll show you guy that has lost it. He don't even believe.

dizzle88 · 09-26-2016, 11:10 PM

Originally Posted by saintshrimp

Next game watch Sean on the sidelines and I'll show you guy that has lost it.

You see Sean from 2006-2011 and he was constantly fired up, calling players out for poor play

Ever since the suspension he looks like he doesn't care anymore. It's not fair to the fans, he's messed this team up in a big way.

Yeah we've got injuries, so do New England, they will be starting a rookie or edelman at QB and still find a way to win.

pherein · 09-26-2016, 11:12 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

This loss really hurt...but considering the attrition we've endured these past five weeks, thought the team played a good game down to the end...

NE has the same , even worse and they win, its an excuse. There is no heart in this team

Lord_Saint83 · 09-26-2016, 11:15 PM

And new england dont have square peg players to fit a round hole scheme on defense either

jeanpierre · 09-26-2016, 11:15 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

For anyone saying that it's only injuries holding us back, check the stat that says we are 4-11 in last 15 home games.

This problem starts with Payton, he has no direction with this team and is just making it up as he goes along.

No Dizz, there are still some dysfunctions with this team...

Draft Management, Flip-flopping on defensive philosophies, Draft Management, Bad Contracts/Dead Money, Draft Management, failure to commit to the run and Draft Management...

My point was that the guys that were "available" tonight, played their arses off...

jeanpierre · 09-26-2016, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83

And new england dont have square peg players to fit a round hole scheme on defense either

That's a great point...

Look, I wasn't happy when Dennis Allen was made DC and we were changing the defense, yet again, knowing we just spend the last three drafts getting players to fit a 3-4...

But D.A. is in now and we've made our change, let's just see it through and not reverse course again...

dizzle88 · 09-26-2016, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83

And new england dont have square peg players to fit a round hole scheme on defense either

Because New England plan for the future accordingly

In 2013 we had a decent D, we had drafted players suited to a 3-4 scheme and it worked

Then 2014 and 2015 Payton demands Rob Ryan move back to a 4-3 scheme, with a defense full of 3-4 players.

Payton has no idea what he wants, he will make someone the scape goat but more importantly, he will deflect any blame from himself or his buddies and fire someone that disagrees with him.

dizzle88 · 09-26-2016, 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

No Dizz, there are still some dysfunctions with this team...

Draft Management, Flip-flopping on defensive philosophies, Draft Management, Bad Contracts/Dead Money, Draft Management, failure to commit to the run and Draft Management...

My point was that the guys that were "available" tonight, played their arses off...

Which 80-90% of that is Sean Paytons jurisdiction and therefore he should take the blame.

jeanpierre · 09-26-2016, 11:22 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Because New England plan for the future accordingly

In 2013 we had a decent D, we had drafted players suited to a 3-4 scheme and it worked

Then 2014 and 2015 Payton demands Rob Ryan move back to a 4-3 scheme, with a defense full of 3-4 players.

Payton has no idea what he wants, he will make someone the scape goat but more importantly, he will deflect any blame from himself or his buddies and fire someone that disagrees with him.

And this is where I fault Loomis and ultimately, Benson...

Any team that has given one man too much personnel power has failed in this league (will cite Chip Kelly in Philadelphia as the latest example of this)...

Belichick, to his credit, brings in bright personnel people to challenge him and brings something other than "I'm the son of Coach (Fill In Name)" types...

Payton is still one of the best game planners, schemers, he just beats himself before he gets to the field with really bad personnel decisions and doesn't have a strong enough personality in a GM to take him to task or question him...

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09-26-2016, 11:07 PM	#202
saintshrimp 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Houma,LA. Posts: 695	Re: Monday Night Football: Atlanta Falcons vs New Orleans Saints Next game watch Sean on the sidelines and I'll show you guy that has lost it. He don't even believe. pherein likes this.

09-26-2016, 11:10 PM	#203
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,521	Re: Monday Night Football: Atlanta Falcons vs New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by saintshrimp Next game watch Sean on the sidelines and I'll show you guy that has lost it. You see Sean from 2006-2011 and he was constantly fired up, calling players out for poor play Ever since the suspension he looks like he doesn't care anymore. It's not fair to the fans, he's messed this team up in a big way. Yeah we've got injuries, so do New England, they will be starting a rookie or edelman at QB and still find a way to win. pherein and saintshrimp like this.

09-26-2016, 11:12 PM	#204
pherein failclownHunter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: N.O. and V.A. Posts: 2,260 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Monday Night Football: Atlanta Falcons vs New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by jeanpierre This loss really hurt...but considering the attrition we've endured these past five weeks, thought the team played a good game down to the end... NE has the same , even worse and they win, its an excuse. There is no heart in this team

09-26-2016, 11:15 PM	#205
Lord_Saint83 100% Blunt Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Saint Gabriel, La Posts: 2,754	Re: Monday Night Football: Atlanta Falcons vs New Orleans Saints And new england dont have square peg players to fit a round hole scheme on defense either

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09-26-2016, 11:15 PM	#206
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Monday Night Football: Atlanta Falcons vs New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by dizzle88 For anyone saying that it's only injuries holding us back, check the stat that says we are 4-11 in last 15 home games. This problem starts with Payton, he has no direction with this team and is just making it up as he goes along. No Dizz, there are still some dysfunctions with this team... Draft Management, Flip-flopping on defensive philosophies, Draft Management, Bad Contracts/Dead Money, Draft Management, failure to commit to the run and Draft Management... My point was that the guys that were "available" tonight, played their arses off...

09-26-2016, 11:18 PM	#207
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Monday Night Football: Atlanta Falcons vs New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 And new england dont have square peg players to fit a round hole scheme on defense either That's a great point... Look, I wasn't happy when Dennis Allen was made DC and we were changing the defense, yet again, knowing we just spend the last three drafts getting players to fit a 3-4... But D.A. is in now and we've made our change, let's just see it through and not reverse course again... CharityMike likes this.

09-26-2016, 11:18 PM	#208
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,521	Re: Monday Night Football: Atlanta Falcons vs New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 And new england dont have square peg players to fit a round hole scheme on defense either Because New England plan for the future accordingly In 2013 we had a decent D, we had drafted players suited to a 3-4 scheme and it worked Then 2014 and 2015 Payton demands Rob Ryan move back to a 4-3 scheme, with a defense full of 3-4 players. Payton has no idea what he wants, he will make someone the scape goat but more importantly, he will deflect any blame from himself or his buddies and fire someone that disagrees with him.

09-26-2016, 11:21 PM	#209
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,521	Re: Monday Night Football: Atlanta Falcons vs New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by jeanpierre No Dizz, there are still some dysfunctions with this team... Draft Management, Flip-flopping on defensive philosophies, Draft Management, Bad Contracts/Dead Money, Draft Management, failure to commit to the run and Draft Management... My point was that the guys that were "available" tonight, played their arses off... Which 80-90% of that is Sean Paytons jurisdiction and therefore he should take the blame.

09-26-2016, 11:22 PM	#210
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Monday Night Football: Atlanta Falcons vs New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by dizzle88 Because New England plan for the future accordingly In 2013 we had a decent D, we had drafted players suited to a 3-4 scheme and it worked Then 2014 and 2015 Payton demands Rob Ryan move back to a 4-3 scheme, with a defense full of 3-4 players. Payton has no idea what he wants, he will make someone the scape goat but more importantly, he will deflect any blame from himself or his buddies and fire someone that disagrees with him. And this is where I fault Loomis and ultimately, Benson... Any team that has given one man too much personnel power has failed in this league (will cite Chip Kelly in Philadelphia as the latest example of this)... Belichick, to his credit, brings in bright personnel people to challenge him and brings something other than "I'm the son of Coach (Fill In Name)" types... Payton is still one of the best game planners, schemers, he just beats himself before he gets to the field with really bad personnel decisions and doesn't have a strong enough personality in a GM to take him to task or question him... dizzle88 and Lord_Saint83 like this.
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