Great Read

LKelley67 · 03-10-2005, 10:30 AM

on athleticism, drafting, etc.

i thought it contained one of the best quotes concerning tebucky ever comparing him to john lynch...

Jones could beat Lynch on a track all day long, but he probably wouldn't beat him to the football twice in 100 snaps.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/3445758

xan · 03-10-2005, 10:57 AM

mmm, makes the trade for Smith seem even more prescient. The Saints had all the problems in coverage that this article speaks to: poor matchups with strong TE\'s, poor reaction to the ball, constantly out of position, peeking in the backfield. That\'s why, statistically, the Saints were actually worse in pass defense than run defense.

The 2005 schedule has 6 games against teams with very strong tight ends and one of them is the Falcons. If this team is going to move in the right direction (getting beyond 8-8), this was the most important pickup defensively.

It can also be argued that the run defense will improve somewhat due to the improvement in coverage and instinct to the play.

baronm · 03-10-2005, 11:16 AM

this is why I would rather have football players than athletes....at all positions.

baronm · 03-10-2005, 11:22 AM

If you want to move Georgia safety and projected first-round draft choice Thomas Davis to outside linebacker, be my guest. But don\'t do it because he ran a 4.65 40-yard dash at the NFL Scouting Combine. Davis, a violent hitter who shows no regard for his body, will be an outstanding run stuffer. But he is a sucker for play-action and gets caught peeking into the backfield. He is as lost in a zone as a hillbilly in Manhattan. \"He\'s made more mental mistakes and instinctive mistakes than anyone I\'ve ever scouted,\" says one executive who has been in the business for nearly a quarter-century.

I\'m really thinking he may be a collosal bust..I\'ve just got a very bad feeling about this player.

[Edited on 10/3/2005 by baronm]

shadowdrinker · 03-10-2005, 01:00 PM

Well..If we draft him..he will, like any rookie, make mistakes...

The Key is , how fast can he learn?

Alot of sites I read have the guy coming in..starting at wlb for us...then in as many at 2 years..switching to SS...

The real thing to remember here is..the kid has skill..and is the most versatile player coming out...He\'s a big hitter, with loads of speed...What\'s not to like?

I just hope ...I hope we really do end up Drafting this kid..

The Consensus I think has changed over the months as to who will will/ should pursue in the Draft...And I think alot of you guys are wanting this kid too..

WhoDat · 03-10-2005, 01:03 PM

Whew! It\'s a good thing we dumped that ball-hawking bum Sammy Knight for the much faster (speed, clearly not mental) Tebucky Jones. We were in major need there.

2001 - Knight: 96 Tackles, 6 INTs, 4 Passes defensed, Pro Bowl.
2002 - Knight: 101 Tackles, 5 INTs, 6 Passes defensed... oh, but he was a major liability due to his lack of speed... nevermind he probably played better ball than in his Pro Bowl season the year before. Let\'s upgrade! And upgrade we did.... to this:

2003 - Jones: 69 Tackles, 1 INT, 4 Passes defensed
2004 - Jones: 101 Tackles, 1 INT, 3 Passes defensed.

Thank goodness for the Saints scouting prowess.

Here\'s another of my favorites:

2001 - Clemons (OLB): 93 Tackles, 13.5 Sacks, 1 INT, 4 Passes Defensed.
2002 - Hodge (OLB): 74 Tackles, 0 Sacks, 0 INTs, 4 Passes Defensed

Wasn\'t this back when Haslett was supposedly making the personnel decisions? Hhmm, wonder why we get out-coached constantly.

LKelley67 · 03-10-2005, 01:09 PM

LOL whodat, and we got rid of that leroi glover bum too. i am glad the middle of the line issues have been resolved.

i\'m gonna come up with some kinda chant this year- 12-4 playoffs or 4-12 bust. no more in 8-8 do we longer trust. are you mickey or are you mighty mouse? do the deed or let\'s clean the house.

03-10-2005, 10:30 AM	#1
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	Great Read on athleticism, drafting, etc. i thought it contained one of the best quotes concerning tebucky ever comparing him to john lynch... Jones could beat Lynch on a track all day long, but he probably wouldn't beat him to the football twice in 100 snaps. http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/3445758

03-10-2005, 10:57 AM	#2
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,369 Blog Entries: 34	Great Read mmm, makes the trade for Smith seem even more prescient. The Saints had all the problems in coverage that this article speaks to: poor matchups with strong TE\'s, poor reaction to the ball, constantly out of position, peeking in the backfield. That\'s why, statistically, the Saints were actually worse in pass defense than run defense. The 2005 schedule has 6 games against teams with very strong tight ends and one of them is the Falcons. If this team is going to move in the right direction (getting beyond 8-8), this was the most important pickup defensively. It can also be argued that the run defense will improve somewhat due to the improvement in coverage and instinct to the play.
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03-10-2005, 11:16 AM	#3
baronm 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 954	Great Read this is why I would rather have football players than athletes....at all positions.
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03-10-2005, 11:22 AM	#4
baronm 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 954	Great Read If you want to move Georgia safety and projected first-round draft choice Thomas Davis to outside linebacker, be my guest. But don\'t do it because he ran a 4.65 40-yard dash at the NFL Scouting Combine. Davis, a violent hitter who shows no regard for his body, will be an outstanding run stuffer. But he is a sucker for play-action and gets caught peeking into the backfield. He is as lost in a zone as a hillbilly in Manhattan. \"He\'s made more mental mistakes and instinctive mistakes than anyone I\'ve ever scouted,\" says one executive who has been in the business for nearly a quarter-century. I\'m really thinking he may be a collosal bust..I\'ve just got a very bad feeling about this player. [Edited on 10/3/2005 by baronm]
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03-10-2005, 01:00 PM	#5
shadowdrinker Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 517	Great Read Well..If we draft him..he will, like any rookie, make mistakes... The Key is , how fast can he learn? Alot of sites I read have the guy coming in..starting at wlb for us...then in as many at 2 years..switching to SS... The real thing to remember here is..the kid has skill..and is the most versatile player coming out...He\'s a big hitter, with loads of speed...What\'s not to like? I just hope ...I hope we really do end up Drafting this kid.. The Consensus I think has changed over the months as to who will will/ should pursue in the Draft...And I think alot of you guys are wanting this kid too..
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WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Great Read Whew! It\'s a good thing we dumped that ball-hawking bum Sammy Knight for the much faster (speed, clearly not mental) Tebucky Jones. We were in major need there. 2001 - Knight: 96 Tackles, 6 INTs, 4 Passes defensed, Pro Bowl. 2002 - Knight: 101 Tackles, 5 INTs, 6 Passes defensed... oh, but he was a major liability due to his lack of speed... nevermind he probably played better ball than in his Pro Bowl season the year before. Let\'s upgrade! And upgrade we did.... to this: 2003 - Jones: 69 Tackles, 1 INT, 4 Passes defensed 2004 - Jones: 101 Tackles, 1 INT, 3 Passes defensed. Thank goodness for the Saints scouting prowess. Here\'s another of my favorites: 2001 - Clemons (OLB): 93 Tackles, 13.5 Sacks, 1 INT, 4 Passes Defensed. 2002 - Hodge (OLB): 74 Tackles, 0 Sacks, 0 INTs, 4 Passes Defensed Wasn\'t this back when Haslett was supposedly making the personnel decisions? Hhmm, wonder why we get out-coached constantly.
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03-10-2005, 01:09 PM	#7
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	Great Read LOL whodat, and we got rid of that leroi glover bum too. i am glad the middle of the line issues have been resolved. i\'m gonna come up with some kinda chant this year- 12-4 playoffs or 4-12 bust. no more in 8-8 do we longer trust. are you mickey or are you mighty mouse? do the deed or let\'s clean the house.