Darren Howard Trade?

stockman311 · 04-12-2005, 02:34 PM

I personally would rather trade Howard to the Cowboys for their second rounder pick up Thomas Davis at 16 to play SS and put Bellamy on the bench. At 40 I would pick up Burnett for LB out of Tennessee who is a better athlete than D.J. or Blackstock out of Virginia. We would then have another 2nd rounder to pick up either a ROT,DT,CB whichever was the higher ranked player on the board.+
Their is absolutely no way you trade up in this years draft so void of blue chip talent.

natedogg02 · 04-12-2005, 02:39 PM

I dont like the idea. Trading all that for an unproved player.
How ofter do the top prospects fail? (1st rouders fail more often then not)

GoldenTomb · 04-12-2005, 02:40 PM

I personally would rather trade Howard to the Cowboys for their second rounder pick up Thomas Davis at 16 to play SS and put Bellamy on the bench. At 40 I would pick up Burnett for LB out of Tennessee who is a better athlete than D.J. or Blackstock out of Virginia. We would then have another 2nd rounder to pick up either a ROT,DT,CB whichever was the higher ranked player on the board.+
Their is absolutely no way you trade up in this years draft so void of blue chip talent.

That\'s what this team needs....better athletes. :casstet:

That makes even a stronger case for DJ. If he is there at 5 pull the trigger, or at least try.

stockman311 · 04-12-2005, 02:53 PM

I\'m saying I think Burnett is a better athlete than D.J. Why would we move up to get D.J. and lose draft picks when we can get Burnett in the second round for free?

baronm · 04-12-2005, 02:57 PM

I\'m saying I think Burnett is a better athlete than D.J. Why would we move up to get D.J. and lose draft picks when we can get Burnett in the second round for free?

burnett would be a heckuva Linebacker...if we happened to get him...he started at safety and was a running back in high school-i think.

he is only dropping because of this injury a couple of years back..but I assure you he\'s over it...I personally would like to get burnett plus a couple of other picks..but that\'s just me.

GoldenTomb · 04-12-2005, 02:57 PM

I dont like the idea. Trading all that for an unproved player.
How ofter do the top prospects fail? (1st rouders fail more often then not)

Huh....are you serious? I couldn\'t disagree more. What do you mean by fail??? I think of fail as in out of the NFL, on the practice squad or on the inactive roster.

Let\'s put your theory to the test anyway.

1. Eli Manning - starter
2. Robert Gallery - starter
3. Larry Fitzgerald - starter
4. Philip Rivers -backup to Pro Bowler Drew Brees
5. Sean Taylor - starter
6. Kellen Winslow - injured reserve
7. Roy Williams - starter
8. DeAngelo Hall - starter
9. Reggie Williams - 2nd string
10. Dunta Robinson - starter
11. Ben Roethlisberger - starter
12. Jonathan Vilma - starter
13. Lee Evans - starter
14. Tommie Harris - starter
15. Michael Clayton - starter
16. Shawn Andrews - starter in 05
17. DJ Williams- starter
18. Will Smith - starter in 05
19. Vernon Carey - starter in 05
20. Kenechi Udeze - starter
21. Vince Wilfork - backup
22. JP Losman -starter in 05
23. Marcus Tubbs - backup
24. Steven Jackson - starter
25. Ahmad Carroll - back up
26. Chris Perry - backup
27. Jason Babin - starter in 05
28. Chris Gamble - starter
29. Michael Jenkins - back up
30. Kevin Jones - starter
31. Rashaun Woods - back up
32. Ben Watson - back up

Even if u call the back ups failures, the first rounders still did well. Much better ratio of successes to failures than if I did this with the second round picks. There\'s a reason they go in the first round.

GoldenTomb · 04-12-2005, 02:59 PM

I\'m saying I think Burnett is a better athlete than D.J. Why would we move up to get D.J. and lose draft picks when we can get Burnett in the second round for free?

burnett would be a heckuva Linebacker...if we happened to get him...he started at safety and was a running back in high school-i think.

he is only dropping because of this injury a couple of years back..but I assure you he\'s over it...I personally would like to get burnett plus a couple of other picks..but that\'s just me.

You are willing to give Burnett a pass on his injury history but not Crowder????

stockman311 · 04-12-2005, 03:03 PM

I think everyone can safely say that this draft is not even in the same galaxy as last years draft. I.E. In this type of draft where blue chip talent is just not there it is a crapshoot on who will pan out from the first round so you should grab as many top two round picks as you possibly can and hope some of them stick.

stockman311 · 04-12-2005, 03:05 PM

I like Crowder as well, but he is an inside LB and we need outside LB\'s if Watson is the answer inside. Which is a big if by the way.

baronm · 04-12-2005, 03:06 PM

I\'m saying I think Burnett is a better athlete than D.J. Why would we move up to get D.J. and lose draft picks when we can get Burnett in the second round for free?

burnett would be a heckuva Linebacker...if we happened to get him...he started at safety and was a running back in high school-i think.

he is only dropping because of this injury a couple of years back..but I assure you he\'s over it...I personally would like to get burnett plus a couple of other picks..but that\'s just me.

You are willing to give Burnett a pass on his injury history but not Crowder????

oh heck yeah-I saw both of them playe and burnett was a beast...the leader of that defense...burnett was also team captain and had much less off the feild trouble then crowder.

also-tennessee was a much better team than florida and burnett was part of the reason.

04-12-2005, 02:34 PM	#11
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	Darren Howard Trade? I personally would rather trade Howard to the Cowboys for their second rounder pick up Thomas Davis at 16 to play SS and put Bellamy on the bench. At 40 I would pick up Burnett for LB out of Tennessee who is a better athlete than D.J. or Blackstock out of Virginia. We would then have another 2nd rounder to pick up either a ROT,DT,CB whichever was the higher ranked player on the board.+ Their is absolutely no way you trade up in this years draft so void of blue chip talent.

04-12-2005, 02:39 PM	#12
natedogg02 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 145	Darren Howard Trade? I dont like the idea. Trading all that for an unproved player. How ofter do the top prospects fail? (1st rouders fail more often then not)
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04-12-2005, 02:40 PM	#13
GoldenTomb 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 591	Darren Howard Trade? I personally would rather trade Howard to the Cowboys for their second rounder pick up Thomas Davis at 16 to play SS and put Bellamy on the bench. At 40 I would pick up Burnett for LB out of Tennessee who is a better athlete than D.J. or Blackstock out of Virginia. We would then have another 2nd rounder to pick up either a ROT,DT,CB whichever was the higher ranked player on the board.+ Their is absolutely no way you trade up in this years draft so void of blue chip talent. That\'s what this team needs....better athletes. :casstet: That makes even a stronger case for DJ. If he is there at 5 pull the trigger, or at least try.
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04-12-2005, 02:53 PM	#14
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	Darren Howard Trade? I\'m saying I think Burnett is a better athlete than D.J. Why would we move up to get D.J. and lose draft picks when we can get Burnett in the second round for free?

04-12-2005, 02:57 PM	#15
baronm 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 954	Darren Howard Trade? I\'m saying I think Burnett is a better athlete than D.J. Why would we move up to get D.J. and lose draft picks when we can get Burnett in the second round for free? burnett would be a heckuva Linebacker...if we happened to get him...he started at safety and was a running back in high school-i think. he is only dropping because of this injury a couple of years back..but I assure you he\'s over it...I personally would like to get burnett plus a couple of other picks..but that\'s just me.
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04-12-2005, 02:59 PM	#17
GoldenTomb 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 591	Darren Howard Trade? I\'m saying I think Burnett is a better athlete than D.J. Why would we move up to get D.J. and lose draft picks when we can get Burnett in the second round for free? burnett would be a heckuva Linebacker...if we happened to get him...he started at safety and was a running back in high school-i think. he is only dropping because of this injury a couple of years back..but I assure you he\'s over it...I personally would like to get burnett plus a couple of other picks..but that\'s just me. You are willing to give Burnett a pass on his injury history but not Crowder????
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04-12-2005, 03:03 PM	#18
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	Darren Howard Trade? I think everyone can safely say that this draft is not even in the same galaxy as last years draft. I.E. In this type of draft where blue chip talent is just not there it is a crapshoot on who will pan out from the first round so you should grab as many top two round picks as you possibly can and hope some of them stick.

04-12-2005, 03:05 PM	#19
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	Darren Howard Trade? I like Crowder as well, but he is an inside LB and we need outside LB\'s if Watson is the answer inside. Which is a big if by the way.

04-12-2005, 03:06 PM	#20
baronm 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 954	Darren Howard Trade? I\'m saying I think Burnett is a better athlete than D.J. Why would we move up to get D.J. and lose draft picks when we can get Burnett in the second round for free? burnett would be a heckuva Linebacker...if we happened to get him...he started at safety and was a running back in high school-i think. he is only dropping because of this injury a couple of years back..but I assure you he\'s over it...I personally would like to get burnett plus a couple of other picks..but that\'s just me. You are willing to give Burnett a pass on his injury history but not Crowder???? oh heck yeah-I saw both of them playe and burnett was a beast...the leader of that defense...burnett was also team captain and had much less off the feild trouble then crowder. also-tennessee was a much better team than florida and burnett was part of the reason.
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