Don't think our defense is improving?

CharityMike · 11-07-2016, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I wonder how much "prevent" we played since we were up by 3 scores for most of the game. That'll pad some stats pretty significantly, especially yardage.

I haven't re-watched it yet but I suspect we gave them a lot of underneath stuff. Might be why Vaccaro had such a poor outing stat wise.

But maybe not. Maybe we still suck.

We played zone from beginning to end with a couple man mixed in. And I do mean a couple. We did the same thing last week against Seattle. We are not a zone defense. I am assuming we are doing because of facing Wilson and the terrorist this week.

This was not a very good game for Vacarro. He was roasted a few times. He definitely does not shine playing zone. But I guess all that really matters is the score board at the end. We are winning with ugly defense but I'll take it over losing week after week. Hopefully with some guys coming back, these guys can start to gel and play better. I'd say we are inproving a bit but it is not going to change over night.

dizzle88 · 11-07-2016, 03:14 PM

Mistakes were made in the first half when we played zone, it started to get embarrassing how open the 9ers receivers were but a couple things gave me solace.

The guys played as team, offense made up for defense and vice versa.

The D allowed 20 first half points and 3 second half points, you can't say that isn't a huge adjustment been made there.

Oh yeah...Michael Thomas...that guy is good. If Ezekiel wasn't leading the league in rushing, Thomas would be rookie of the year leader.

The Dude · 11-07-2016, 03:43 PM

There is no debate, our defense has VASTLY improved. I would love to see them if they had the defensive backs we started camp with.

dizzle88 · 11-07-2016, 04:11 PM

Just read this stat;

The Saints defense has forced a league high 9 fumbles and are 9th in the league with 13 takeaways on the season.

blackangold · 11-07-2016, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Just read this stat;

The Saints defense has forced a league high 9 fumbles and are 9th in the league with 13 takeaways on the season.

Well that's a good stat.

Papa Voodoo · 11-07-2016, 04:51 PM

We're bottom dwellers on D, but they do seem to be improving which is a good sign. But, only 2-3 teams that are "good teams" this year are in the top 10-15 defensively. Dallas is clearly the best team right now overall.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 11-08-2016, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo

We're bottom dwellers on D, but they do seem to be improving which is a good sign. But, only 2-3 teams that are "good teams" this year are in the top 10-15 defensively. Dallas is clearly the best team right now overall.

I think "bottom dwellers" is a bit of a snap judgement. In the last 4 games the defense has generated 7 turnovers and with the exception of the Panthers game has held the opposition to under 23 points a game for 3 straight games. Note that with both KC and Seattle that the offense gave up a turnover for a TD. So the defensive scoring against has been 20,13, and 23 points the last 3 games.

There are 3 crucial stats on defense: scoring, turnovers, and 3rd down percentage. scoring is down the last 3 games. Turnovers are up. and 3rd down percentage is ranked 14th in the entire league @ 38.9%

A hall of fame defense? Certainly not. But honestly, it has improved from flat terrible to adequate.

SFIAH

WillMacKenzie · 11-08-2016, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

I think "bottom dwellers" is a bit of a snap judgement. In the last 4 games the defense has generated 7 turnovers and with the exception of the Panthers game has held the opposition to under 23 points a game for 3 straight games. Note that with both KC and Seattle that the offense gave up a turnover for a TD. So the defensive scoring against has been 20,13, and 23 points the last 3 games.

There are 3 crucial stats on defense: scoring, turnovers, and 3rd down percentage. scoring is down the last 3 games. Turnovers are up. and 3rd down percentage is ranked 14th in the entire league @ 38.9%

A hall of fame defense? Certainly not. But honestly, it has improved from flat terrible to adequate.

SFIAH

I think the way the offense is playing really puts a lot of pressure on other teams to perform as well. That can only help our defense.

Crusader · 11-08-2016, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie

I think the way the offense is playing really puts a lot of pressure on other teams to perform as well. That can only help our defense.

Correct, its a huge pressure on an offense having to play catch up all the time during a game. It easily leads to stress and turnovers due to mistakes.

K Major · 11-07-2016, 09:46 PM

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11-07-2016, 03:06 PM	#1
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: Don't think our defense is improving? Originally Posted by Danno I wonder how much "prevent" we played since we were up by 3 scores for most of the game. That'll pad some stats pretty significantly, especially yardage. I haven't re-watched it yet but I suspect we gave them a lot of underneath stuff. Might be why Vaccaro had such a poor outing stat wise. But maybe not. Maybe we still suck. We played zone from beginning to end with a couple man mixed in. And I do mean a couple. We did the same thing last week against Seattle. We are not a zone defense. I am assuming we are doing because of facing Wilson and the terrorist this week. This was not a very good game for Vacarro. He was roasted a few times. He definitely does not shine playing zone. But I guess all that really matters is the score board at the end. We are winning with ugly defense but I'll take it over losing week after week. Hopefully with some guys coming back, these guys can start to gel and play better. I'd say we are inproving a bit but it is not going to change over night. jnormand and dizzle88 like this.

11-07-2016, 03:14 PM	#2
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,534	Re: Don't think our defense is improving? Mistakes were made in the first half when we played zone, it started to get embarrassing how open the 9ers receivers were but a couple things gave me solace. The guys played as team, offense made up for defense and vice versa. The D allowed 20 first half points and 3 second half points, you can't say that isn't a huge adjustment been made there. Oh yeah...Michael Thomas...that guy is good. If Ezekiel wasn't leading the league in rushing, Thomas would be rookie of the year leader.

11-07-2016, 03:43 PM	#3
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,060	Re: Don't think our defense is improving? There is no debate, our defense has VASTLY improved. I would love to see them if they had the defensive backs we started camp with.
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11-07-2016, 04:11 PM	#4
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,534	Re: Don't think our defense is improving? Just read this stat; The Saints defense has forced a league high 9 fumbles and are 9th in the league with 13 takeaways on the season. jnormand, Crusader, WillMacKenzie and 3 others like this.

11-07-2016, 09:17 PM	#5
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Don't think our defense is improving? Originally Posted by dizzle88 Just read this stat; The Saints defense has forced a league high 9 fumbles and are 9th in the league with 13 takeaways on the season. Well that's a good stat.

11-07-2016, 04:51 PM	#6
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,634	Re: Don't think our defense is improving? We're bottom dwellers on D, but they do seem to be improving which is a good sign. But, only 2-3 teams that are "good teams" this year are in the top 10-15 defensively. Dallas is clearly the best team right now overall.

11-08-2016, 12:00 PM	#7
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Don't think our defense is improving? Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo We're bottom dwellers on D, but they do seem to be improving which is a good sign. But, only 2-3 teams that are "good teams" this year are in the top 10-15 defensively. Dallas is clearly the best team right now overall. I think "bottom dwellers" is a bit of a snap judgement. In the last 4 games the defense has generated 7 turnovers and with the exception of the Panthers game has held the opposition to under 23 points a game for 3 straight games. Note that with both KC and Seattle that the offense gave up a turnover for a TD. So the defensive scoring against has been 20,13, and 23 points the last 3 games. There are 3 crucial stats on defense: scoring, turnovers, and 3rd down percentage. scoring is down the last 3 games. Turnovers are up. and 3rd down percentage is ranked 14th in the entire league @ 38.9% A hall of fame defense? Certainly not. But honestly, it has improved from flat terrible to adequate. SFIAH Crusader and WillMacKenzie like this.
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11-08-2016, 12:04 PM	#8
WillMacKenzie 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,627	Re: Don't think our defense is improving? Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL I think "bottom dwellers" is a bit of a snap judgement. In the last 4 games the defense has generated 7 turnovers and with the exception of the Panthers game has held the opposition to under 23 points a game for 3 straight games. Note that with both KC and Seattle that the offense gave up a turnover for a TD. So the defensive scoring against has been 20,13, and 23 points the last 3 games. There are 3 crucial stats on defense: scoring, turnovers, and 3rd down percentage. scoring is down the last 3 games. Turnovers are up. and 3rd down percentage is ranked 14th in the entire league @ 38.9% A hall of fame defense? Certainly not. But honestly, it has improved from flat terrible to adequate. SFIAH I think the way the offense is playing really puts a lot of pressure on other teams to perform as well. That can only help our defense. Crusader likes this.

11-08-2016, 12:37 PM	#9
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,044	Re: Don't think our defense is improving? Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie I think the way the offense is playing really puts a lot of pressure on other teams to perform as well. That can only help our defense. Correct, its a huge pressure on an offense having to play catch up all the time during a game. It easily leads to stress and turnovers due to mistakes.

11-07-2016, 09:46 PM	#10
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